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Post by Gяαч Sкч on Apr 12, 2018 19:03:23 GMT -5
I don't know if it is just me, but AVoS feels like fanfiction at times. I am not trying to say AVoS is a bad series, or that fan fiction is bad. It is just that some of the moments in this series feel different from your typical Warrior cat book. I know that over time authors are going to change and grow, but some times I feel like things are coming out of left field and don't make very much sense. For example, Onestar being Darktail's father. I was really liking Shattered Sky until this happened. I was immediately taken out of the book as soon as Onestar revealed himself to be Darktail's father, and thus the entire reason for Darktail's behavior. I know that Onestar was a background character so we didn't see his every movement, but even then Onestar fathering an illegitimate child feels like it would come straight out of a fan fiction. I can still barely believe this is actual canon. I also feel like this sudden focus on Tigerstar is strange. I never would have expected Tigerheart to end up where he has during the course of AVoS. This doesn't even feel real to me.
The names are also changing and feel more like something you would see in a fan fiction story or a roleplay. I don't mind unique names if they sound good, but as of late I feel like the authors are trying way too hard to be unique. Even the wording is starting to sound different to me. I don't have the books so I can't give examples, but I noticed this several times in Darkest Night and it kind of took me out of the book. But just the way the characters were speaking to each other, or the way sentences were structured felt different to me.
I am just wondering if anyone else feels like this. Again I am not trying to say these books are bad or that fan fiction is bad. I just feel like these books are different than normal and I am wondering if anyone else is getting the same vibe.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 19:12:34 GMT -5
It certainly does to me. The plot of Tigerheart's Shadow pretty much screams fanfic.
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Apr 12, 2018 19:13:58 GMT -5
i still like the joke that everything after the original series never existed
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 19:14:49 GMT -5
I don't think A Vision Of Shadows is flat-out terrible, but it does make me feel a little nostalgic for the original arc (and heck, even The New Prophecy).
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Post by foxstride on Apr 12, 2018 19:41:50 GMT -5
Though I haven't read AVoS myself, what I've read on the wikia and forums is... well, this is the first series I don't feel like supporting. And obviously people's opinions are just that, opinions - often, when somebody dislikes something, you might later find you enjoyed it. So when I read I'll keep an open mind.
However, on language, it's something I noticed in both Leafpool's Wish and Power of Three - suddenly, queens were referred to as 'Mother'. Not in saying 'she's your mother', but directly calling somebody 'Mother'. It sounded so out of place it took me out of the story in both cases (and LW has plenty more issues that made me stop and back up). There's personification, and then there's seemingly breaking the canon (especially since POT is the only main book I recall this discrepancy happening, unless there's a moment in AVoS in which a Clan cat says such things).
Perhaps the new team of editors are influencing the story? If you feel that it's not quite capturing the usual saga plots or talk. I've heard they have sway over naming as it is. And given AVoS' seemingly disjointed plot... well.
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 12, 2018 20:33:58 GMT -5
As of River of Fire, starting to get pretty bad.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 12, 2018 20:38:07 GMT -5
Tree would be the type of character that would stink of a self-insert in a fanfic. Randomly shows up, gets tons of allowances made for him, has vague prophecy powers that aren't actually all that grand, and gets gaga eyes for no reason.
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Post by Fawnwing on Apr 12, 2018 21:43:34 GMT -5
Is it bad that I actually genuinely like AVOS?
I thought the first three books were really good. But that's just me. I don't see it as the worst arc. The fourth book is okay, and the fifth is below average and all over the place, but that's about it. I mean, I think OOTS is the worst, so if I can read all that I can read AVOS.
Although, I do agree things feel a little...weird???? Especially Tigerheartstar. Suddenly he was the best cat to everyone and he deserves to be leader. And I really don't like that.
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Post by Fernstep on Apr 12, 2018 22:31:34 GMT -5
Not really to me.
*shrug*
I get what you mean about the plot feeling inherently different; there are a number of narrative choices that we wouldn't have seen in previous series that are clearly due to the new team's influence, and not all of these are bad. ThunderClan taking a less active role in the story, the Kin having such a destabilizing impact on all the Clans, the POVs not being very important to the overall plot. All of these are things you would never have seen happen in Arcs 1-4 and I think that's because, for all of their failings as far as editing goes, the "new team" did bring with them a different type of storytelling that I'm finding I actually really enjoy. I want ThunderClan to not be the only source of protagonists, and I don't really think it's "fanfiction"-esque at all.
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Tree is good, you guys are just mean
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Post by Fawnwing on Apr 12, 2018 22:34:15 GMT -5
Not really to me. *shrug* I get what you mean about the plot feeling inherently different; there are a number of narrative choices that we wouldn't have seen in previous series that are clearly due to the new team's influence, and not all of these are bad. ThunderClan taking a less active role in the story, the Kin having such a destabilizing impact on all the Clans, the POVs not being very important to the overall plot. All of these are things you would never have seen happen in Arcs 1-4 and I think that's because, of all their failings as far as editing goes, the "new team" did bring with them a different type of storytelling that I'm finding I actually really enjoy. I want ThunderClan to not be the only source of protagonists, and I don't really think it's "fanfiction"-esque at all. Totally agree with this |
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Post by Gяαч Sкч on Apr 12, 2018 22:51:00 GMT -5
Is it bad that I actually genuinely like AVOS? I thought the first three books were really good. But that's just me. I don't see it as the worst arc. The fourth book is okay, and the fifth is below average and all over the place, but that's about it. I mean, I think OOTS is the worst, so if I can read all that I can read AVOS. Although, I do agree things feel a little...weird???? Especially Tigerheartstar. Suddenly he was the best cat to everyone and he deserves to be leader. And I really don't like that. No. I like the series too. I genuinely enjoyed The Apprentice's Quest, Thunder and Shadow, and Shattered Sky. I thought they were really fun and action pacted. I liked Darkest Night as well, even if it felt below average compared to the other books. I haven't read the newest book so no comment on that. I wasn't trying to say the series is bad. I was just saying it feels different from your usual run of the mill Warriors book. There are a lot of aspects that are different and come out of left field, which make this series feel a little atypical and thus a little fanfic-y to me. |
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Post by Gяαч Sкч on Apr 12, 2018 23:14:51 GMT -5
Not really to me. *shrug* I get what you mean about the plot feeling inherently different; there are a number of narrative choices that we wouldn't have seen in previous series that are clearly due to the new team's influence, and not all of these are bad. ThunderClan taking a less active role in the story, the Kin having such a destabilizing impact on all the Clans, the POVs not being very important to the overall plot. All of these are things you would never have seen happen in Arcs 1-4 and I think that's because, for all of their failings as far as editing goes, the "new team" did bring with them a different type of storytelling that I'm finding I actually really enjoy. I want ThunderClan to not be the only source of protagonists, and I don't really think it's "fanfiction"-esque at all. I'm not really talking about that. None of those things bother me or feel out of element. I'm talking more about smaller aspects of the story that end up effecting everything, such as Onestar fathering Darktail or the sudden importance of Tigerheart and the way everyone is treating him. That is just a few examples. The over all plot with the kin and the Clans doesn't really bother me, outside of Darktail's motivation for everything. |
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Post by Fernstep on Apr 12, 2018 23:34:15 GMT -5
Not really to me. *shrug* I get what you mean about the plot feeling inherently different; there are a number of narrative choices that we wouldn't have seen in previous series that are clearly due to the new team's influence, and not all of these are bad. ThunderClan taking a less active role in the story, the Kin having such a destabilizing impact on all the Clans, the POVs not being very important to the overall plot. All of these are things you would never have seen happen in Arcs 1-4 and I think that's because, for all of their failings as far as editing goes, the "new team" did bring with them a different type of storytelling that I'm finding I actually really enjoy. I want ThunderClan to not be the only source of protagonists, and I don't really think it's "fanfiction"-esque at all. I'm not really talking about that. None of those things bother me or feel out of element. I'm talking more about smaller aspects of the story that end up effecting everything, such as Onestar fathering Darktail or the sudden importance of Tigerheart and the way everyone is treating him. That is just a few examples. The over all plot with the kin and the Clans doesn't really bother me, outside of Darktail's motivation for everything. The twist that a side character had an illegitimate son is a pretty common fanfiction trope, yeah. I just don't really care. Darktail made Onestar make a lot more sense to me and I loved the way both characters were handled in SS. Various characters being far more important than they should be is honestly nothing new; Warriors has always tried to push one character or another more than is reasonable in... honestly every arc. |
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Post by mothsnap on Apr 13, 2018 0:18:03 GMT -5
Personally I really hate this series with a passion. There are too many plotholes with the Darktail plotline. I hated it and everything to do with ShadowClan. It definitely feels like a fanfiction and a poorly thought out one too
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Post by Eyfex on Apr 13, 2018 2:26:35 GMT -5
I think the problem is that they're clutching too much onto the original series. Up until now, every arc introduced something groundbreaking into the Warriors world - TNP annihilated the Forest, POT introduced powers, OOTS introduced the tangibility of StarClan and the DF. VOS could have come so close to something great with the loss of faith in StarClan + Darktail arc, but absolutely ruined it with the premature death of the arc's villain. Now it's just back to square one except with SkyClan, who's absolutely insane history has hardly posed an issue (An entire Clan of rogues and kittypets and no one cares? One's called Macgyver???).
Furthermore, it feels fanfic-y to me because of how blatant the favouritism is. Snowbush gets like a line for his death, whilst Briarlight and Purdy basically get a chapter. Old fan faves like Cloudtail and Brackenfur just can't die, and it's made even more irritating by Kate's defense of some of the writing saying "I just can't do it!". Honestly, that sounds like the reply OF a fanfiction writer.
It's so disappointing because DOTC is personally my favourite series, especially as it was such a step up from POT and OOTS. I came into this series with a lot of hope, but I feel like the last book will just be anti-climatic or a cliffhanger.
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Post by finland on Apr 13, 2018 7:22:59 GMT -5
Everything is a fanfiction.
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