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Post by Tas on Apr 12, 2018 11:42:26 GMT -5
Will Tree's role be in every Clan now? The medium or whatever, I can't remember. Is that just a new thing? It seems like a cheap way to let him stay in the Clans without him having to really do anything.
EDIT: meditator or something, right?
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Apr 12, 2018 11:44:56 GMT -5
i didnt even read the new books or anything but isnt it that every clan has a mediator or is is just tree....?
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 12, 2018 11:47:04 GMT -5
i didnt even read the new books or anything but isnt it that every clan has a mediator or is is just tree....? So far, only SkyClan with Tree. I hope the other Clans get one, though. It'd be too weird if one Clan had it.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 12, 2018 11:52:20 GMT -5
I'd recommend putting a spoiler warning in the title.
And I kinda like the idea. It's new and interesting, but I do understand why some would find it cheap, but at least he's actually being useful.
Also, Tree's role is a mediator, but his power is similar to a medium's in that he can speak to dead cats.
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 12, 2018 11:57:34 GMT -5
I personally think the role is a good idea and something the founders should have thought of in the first place. Kind of surprised it took this long to think of it.
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Apr 12, 2018 12:00:37 GMT -5
hmm idk who else could become mediator. im not up to date on who's in the clans these days
Skyclan: Tree Thunderclan: Alderheart, Fernsong, Rosepetal Shadowclan: Riverclan: Windclan:
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Post by Fernstep on Apr 12, 2018 12:18:47 GMT -5
Speaking of his power, though, ROF and/or DN feel even weaker once you take into account how it was only used the once and then didn't matter to the plot again. Tree mentions early on in ROF that he can see Spikefur watching over Sleekwhisker and Yarrowleaf, and then... that's it.
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Post by Mayflower on Apr 12, 2018 12:38:58 GMT -5
I mentioned elsewhere that I don't understand Tree's role and what he does that medicine cats don't already do...or are supposed to, anyway. Medicine cats are already StarClan's mouthpieces. They speak to them often and are supposed to be impartial. They even have their own code and ceremonies/rites of passages apart from their Clanmates, and swear to be above Clan rivalry, to care for any and every cat no matter who it is. Tree didn't do much in ROF except sit around, and he didn't want to learn to fight or hunt. When he was on patrol, he wandered away repeatedly and even sat to scratch himself at one point, then wandered some more. He was only interested in hunting when Violetshine showed him, then nothing after that, even though Leafstar said more than once that he wasn't doing anything/not pulling his weight. He speaks to dead cats more directly, but unless that's a power from StarClan that is somehow given to one chosen cat in every Clan (even then, medicine cats?? they're chosen by StarClan specifically for this purpose, just not as direct), I don't get it.
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Post by Tas on Apr 12, 2018 13:05:17 GMT -5
I mentioned elsewhere that I don't understand Tree's role and what he does that medicine cats don't already do -- or are supposed to. Medicine cats are already StarClan's mouthpieces. They speak to them often, and are supposed to be impartial. They even have their own code and ceremonies/rites of passages apart from their Clanmates and swear to be above Clan rivalry, to care for any and every cat, no matter who it is. Tree didn't do much in ROF except sit around, nor did he want to learn too fight or hunt; when he was on patrol, he wandered and even sat to scratch himself at one point, then wandered some more. He speaks to dead cats more directly, but unless that's a power that is somehow given to every Clan (even then, medicine cats?? they're chosen by StarClan specifically) to one cat, I don't get it. He's like Jayfeather in PoT except less interesting and doesn't do anything
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Post by Mayflower on Apr 12, 2018 13:19:56 GMT -5
He's like Jayfeather in PoT except less interesting and doesn't do anything I just don't get it, either, or what's special about him. It feels like he was created as a big one-time shock value character for the end of Darkest Night, when he rose the dead cats from the lake.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 12, 2018 13:31:52 GMT -5
Mayflower, Tree's role is to settle arguments specifically. Medicine cats already do this, but this isn't their main job, which is to heal and speak to StarClan. Not to mention that they're supposed to be above Clan rivalries anyway, and when they do try to stop arguments, it isn't always successful . Tree on the other hand can do this, and he does it well, as he's able to look at both sides of the issue without much bias. He's not a medicine cat or warrior, but can still contribute to the Clans by helping settle arguments, which would in turn help bring peace. Well, that and—from a writing standpoint—it seems likes the Erins just didn't know what to do with him after DN.
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Post by Mayflower on Apr 12, 2018 14:02:01 GMT -5
Mayflower , Tree's role is to settle arguments specifically. Medicine cats already do this, but this isn't their main job, which is to heal and speak to StarClan. Not to mention that they're supposed to be above Clan rivalries anyway, and when they do try to stop arguments, it isn't always successful . Tree on the other hand can do this, and he does it well, as he's able to look at both sides of the issue without much bias. He's not a medicine cat or warrior, but can still contribute to the Clans by helping settle arguments, which would in turn help bring peace. Well, that and—from a writing standpoint—it seems likes the Erins just didn't know what to do with him after DN. I guess that would make sense, but being biased will probably come later, anyway...for example, if he spends most of his time in SkyClan (and probably will), he may subconsciously become biased toward them. To prevent this, will he spend considerable time between each Clan for moons on end, or what? There are reasons why medicine cats can travel freely between Clans and are protected by law, so will he have the same protection? If he doesn't spend time with each Clan often, will a cat be chosen from each Clan to be the mediator? Will they gather, like MCs do at the Moonpool, when problems occur and bring rationality forward? If each Clan has one mediator, how will they ensure they don't become biased? Living with their Clan will almost certainly create that regardless. MCs were already being used to calm cats, but I guess I'm drawing back to the first few arcs, when Cinderpelt and Yellowfang (even with her sharp tongue) soothed their Clanmates when they were anxious. Leafpool did that often, too, like during Eclipse after the huge multi-Clan battle. One time that comes to mind is ThunderClan panicking after Bluestar declared war on StarClan/said StarClan had turned their backs on them. When Firestar gathered the terrified Clan for a meeting, he looked to Cinderpelt, who reassured them and told them that she had had no signs about any such thing, and everyone visibly calmed down. The Clans listen to the MC seemingly above all else. Where will the mediator's rank fall -- below MCs, above them, or what? When fights broke out during the full moon, MCs were almost always the one to break it up, while the leaders reinforced the MCs' warning to break up to return to their camps or stop fighting. Barring that, they were always the voice of reason until OOTS, when their dumb ancestors pitted them against one another. No matter how stupid the Clan leaders are in this arc, though, we saw in Willowshine's bonus scene from ROF, Alderheart's repeated actions from various occasions, Kestrelflight's defiance against Onestar, and Mothwing sneaking into ShadowClan territory to check on her Clanmates, etc. that they won't let that happen again and they're still going to do what's right, with the help of the other MCs. Those were just a couple moons of fractured confusion in OOTS after decades of MCs standing together, so I sort of excused that brief time. And like I mentioned, Tree didn't want to fight/hunt/patrol, so what will he do in camp all day? Will he just sit around, waiting for an argument to break out between his Clanmates/the other Clans? I mean, MCs gather herbs during the day, check their stocks, heal cats, work on herbs' growth in the territory, train their apprentices, reapply poultices, go around rechecking wounds or pregnancies or kits, hurry to heal wounded cats out in the territory, travel if need be to deliver messages to the other Clans (and seen as a symbol of peace, opposed to warriors going into enemy territory, so maybe the mediator will do this...?), etc. So I always thought MCs had several jobs -- healing, communing with StarClan, and being above rivalries to tend to everyone, which seems to be what Tree will do. I'm not trying to rag on you, by the way! I genuinely don't understand the logistics for his rank here. But yeah, I think your last sentence is what happened ;p I was bummed to find yet another character with powers, and even then, I was slightly impressed with the ending. Seeing the aftermath now...not so much.
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