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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 11, 2018 23:51:56 GMT -5
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 11, 2018 23:59:22 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. Briarlight has lived long enough, and it's ridiculous how many times she's cheated death (especially when other around her continue to die) that it's about time she died. Yes, the series is fictional, but that doesn't mean it can't be realistic. The first arc was a great example of this. Killing her off isn't ableist in the slightest.
Yes, she represents the disabled. But guess what, not all representation is good representation. And, to paraphrase what a friend of mine said, giving her a disability like this while out in the wild should be even more reason why she shouldn't have lived this long. Her Clanmates made sure she was well-cared for, but they as well as her exercises can only do so much. And in the end, she was at peace with dying and has most likely been healed in StarClan.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Apr 12, 2018 0:14:46 GMT -5
*eyeroll* She shouldn't have lived more than six moons in her condition max. The first threat should have killed her. This is the wild. Disabilies are very serious and often result in death. Snowkit and Cinderpelt died and Jayfeather almost did because of their disabilities.
That's not being ableist. That's the laws of the freaking universe.
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Post by Mayflower on Apr 12, 2018 6:51:21 GMT -5
As someone who's disabled in a way that's more in relation to Jayfeather's disability than Briarlight's, not everything is ableist. The Erins have kept Briarlight alive for a long time...even with fan pressure, which they have a record of giving into. I'm not sure how long people expected her to survive. She lived a long time, thanks to the Clan's determination and efforts, and everyone made sure she was comfortable. Hell, I think there's fan theories that Jayfeather cared for her more than their abled Clanmates, which is why so many died of greencough before BrS, while Briarlight survived. In canon, however, she survived of her own merits, because she was a strong character. She was actually a good example of us, because she was also insistent on doing things on her own, and her Clanmates would cheer her on, like that adorable scene in Fading Echoes, I think. Now, if they killed off Jayfeather and had him fall off a cliff as a lil jab at his blindness, then we'll talk. Or kill Brightheart because someone attacked the side of her face with her missing eye (even though she has a terrific history of fighting and defending that side, but picking that side specifically can have implications, I guess), and her then dying because of that, again, then we'll talk.
I wasn't particularly fussed on whether she died or not, to be honest, but it bugs me that people are accusing the Erins of things like this. We have plenty of other reasons to be upset with them, guys lol this, imo, should not be one of them. But that is subjective, and others obviously feel differently. I still think they did Briarlight justice, though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 7:42:03 GMT -5
I just saw that and thought "Who would be that thin-skinned enough to put that on there?" That's called Social Darwinism, not ableism.
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Post by Tas on Apr 12, 2018 8:06:29 GMT -5
Good for Briarlight.
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Post by Brindlefern on Apr 12, 2018 13:37:58 GMT -5
Tumblr's been going absolutely mad calling the Erins albiest for killing Briarlight off and they think they did it because they targeted death for a disabled character... and that pisses me off because...
The very thing is... they even said they kept her alive for so long because of her 'fierce burning spirit' and that's pretty sweet if you ask me, but noooooo.
Logically, Briarlight was supposed to have been dead a LONG TIME AGO! She's cheated death many times because they didn't want her dead.
There has been many cases where disabled characters were restricted to certain roles that prevent Warrior-ship and even killed off for their disability for dumb as hecking reasons (Hello sNOWKIT). I get that Warriors has some issues with how they handle disabled characters... But with this specific character exactly. Briarlight, Who, with a broken spine and was unable to do much of anything, was allowed to still be given a Warriors name and a full on ceremony with that. Who, even despite her disability preventing her from doing jack diddly squat as a Warrior, wasn't be forced as a med cat or anything...
People still find the need to scream albiest. Just because she specifically was killed off? She wasn't even killed off for her disability or because they thought she was useless because she was disabled! They're literally screaming at the Erins because they killed her specifically. Even though Briarlight was at peace with dying, and happy.
Lol k I literally call it a case of salty folks being salty as all hell as per usual. How fricking salty for no reason can you get?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 15:12:51 GMT -5
Honestly, it was only a matter of time before Briarlight bit the dust. Even with all the care her Clanmates gave her, they could only do so much.
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Post by anxi0us on Apr 12, 2018 15:33:50 GMT -5
Well, we all knew she'd die soon. I never really was attached to her.....But that doesn't mean I didn't care about her dying.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 16:01:26 GMT -5
Tumblr's been going absolutely mad calling the Erins albiest for killing Briarlight off and they think they did it because they targeted death for a disabled character... and that pisses me off because... The very thing is... they even said they kept her alive for so long because of her 'fierce burning spirit' and that's pretty sweet if you ask me, but noooooo. Logically, Briarlight was supposed to have been dead a LONG TIME AGO! She's cheated death many times because they didn't want her dead. There has been many cases where disabled characters were restricted to certain roles that prevent Warrior-ship and even killed off for their disability for dumb as hecking reasons (Hello sNOWKIT). I get that Warriors has some issues with how they handle disabled characters... But with this specific character exactly. Briarlight, Who, with a broken spine and was unable to do much of anything, was allowed to still be given a Warriors name and a full on ceremony with that. Who, even despite her disability preventing her from doing jack diddly squat as a Warrior, wasn't be forced as a med cat or anything... People still find the need to scream albiest. Just because she specifically was killed off? She wasn't even killed off for her disability or because they thought she was useless because she was disabled! They're literally screaming at the Erins because they killed her specifically. Even though Briarlight was at peace with dying, and happy. Lol k I literally call it a case of salty folks being salty as all hell as per usual. How fricking salty for no reason can you get? Tumblr's a HUGE web of nonsense, in my opinion. And I call those "salty" people a bunch of "whiny little pansies". Other than all that, I can agree with what you're saying.
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Post by Fawnwing on Apr 12, 2018 16:08:41 GMT -5
I HATE tumblr. Things like this get on my nerves. Every little thing could be horrible in their eyes... I don't know why they come to that conclusion. Like they purposefully killed Briarlight because she's disabled. I mean, she's going to have to die someday like every other warrior cat.
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Post by gonxkillua on Apr 12, 2018 16:14:27 GMT -5
It's sad that people are mad at the Erins for killing of character that should have died ages ago.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Apr 12, 2018 16:23:26 GMT -5
All of this could have been avoided if they had made some other cat the symbol for disabilities. Brightheart or Crookedstar would have been perfect. Why choose the cat who would logically die very soon after getting injured?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 16:53:11 GMT -5
What’s more baffling to me is that they claim ableism when the Erin’s have been anything but that. Nearly a dozen other ThunderClan cats, most of them much healthier and much more likely to survive than her, have died before she has. There have been plenty of sicknesses and even a couple floods. If anything, they’ve been the exact opposite. They’ve killed off those most likely to survive and kept those least likely alive.
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Post by sylveon on Apr 12, 2018 16:58:05 GMT -5
All of this could have been avoided if they had made some other cat the symbol for disabilities. Brightheart or Crookedstar would have been perfect. Why choose the cat who would logically die very soon after getting injured? Brightheart SHOULD be the symbol for disabilities. Even after she lost her eye and ear and was given a terrible name, she didn’t give up. The clan doubted her ability to be a warrior or anyone useful and she proved them wrong. She trained hard and became a well respected warrior. (And I’m still mad she hasn’t been given an apprentice because she deserves it SO much). There’s also Deadfoot, who had a twisted paw and cats doubted he would be a good warrior. He became DEPUTY. them crying over Briarlight dying is dumb. She should have died so many times, because even in a world with cat-doctors there’s only so much they can do. She isn’t some immortal cat, and she was bound to die. I do wish she hadn’t been the only one to die of the stomach sickness, but it’s realistic for her to die when she can’t be active like her other injured counter parts. Even Cinderpelt was still able to move around and run with her bad leg.
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Post by andy on Apr 12, 2018 17:16:33 GMT -5
the people that think her death was ableist need to sit down and think about their viewpoint. she is a wild cat in a wild cat community with limited medicine and riddled with dangers that their medicine cannot save disabled cats from. it's ridiculous that she even lived this long. they are not humans in a world where we can care for most disabilities and still give disabled people good lives if we put in the effort.
it is not ableist to kill her off when she is in a world where characters who aren't able-bodied are at a much greater risk. her death didn't even have anything to do with her not being able bodied. she got sick and died, and MANY able bodied characters have died from the same thing.
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Apr 12, 2018 17:19:00 GMT -5
it would have been better if she died a few days or weeks after getting her warrior name....
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Post by Fernstep on Apr 12, 2018 17:28:23 GMT -5
the people that think her death was ableist need to sit down and think about their viewpoint. she is a wild cat in a wild cat community with limited medicine and riddled with dangers that their medicine cannot save disabled cats from. it's ridiculous that she even lived this long. they are not humans in a world where we can care for most disabilities and still give disabled people good lives if we put in the effort. it is not ableist to kill her off when she is in a world where characters who aren't able-bodied are at a much greater risk. her death didn't even have anything to do with her not being able bodied. she got sick and died, and MANY able bodied characters have died from the same thing. I'm mad that we didn't get far more deaths from that sickness. Not because I think it's "ableist" in any way, but because I just want to cut down on ThunderClan's population and it felt like the book was teasing that that would happen (Brackenfur! Whitewing! Plumkit! Hollytuft! Sorrelstripe! Mousewhisker!) and then it didn't.
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Post by Basement Cat on Apr 12, 2018 18:27:22 GMT -5
Tell me. Be honest. How many of you are just glad she's dead because you hated she kept surviving and just wanted her to die for your 'precious' realism?
In a book about magical fighting cats with a system of government, religion, magical powers and inaccurate genetics. Ha. HA HA.
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Post by Tas on Apr 12, 2018 18:32:54 GMT -5
Tell me. Be honest. How many of you are just glad she's dead because you hated she kept surviving and just wanted her to die for your 'precious' realism? In a book about magical fighting cats with a system of government, religion, magical powers and inaccurate genetics. Ha. HA HA. Ok calm down salty mchypocrite
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Post by Basement Cat on Apr 12, 2018 18:37:23 GMT -5
You don't get it, do you? This has nothing to do with being salty. It has everything to do with people being hateful over a fictional character and wanting her die solely because she 'should' have died ages ago, not because, you know, they want her to have a good farewell.
It's people saying she should die because for the sake of 'realism', not because she should die eventually because of her disability.
But sure. Go ahead. Spin the narrative and completely misinterpret everything I say. I'm so so sorry I don't care if a fictional cat survives unrealistic scenarios.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 18:40:11 GMT -5
I shouldn't even be involved in this, and I quite frankly don't care if I get a warning or not, but I have to say, BC, you're taking this rather personally. I've been watching, and honestly, I'm tired of you taking it personally, how you're upset that we want a fictional character to die. Briarlight has been around for years, with a broken spine, and she shouldn't have. If she had help from a vet, it would have been possible, but because she lives in the wild, it's not, and that's why I don't think she should have lived for this long.
She's cheated death, several times. It's ridiculous. Maybe cheating it once would have been fine, but more than five times? No.
Briarlight is not a realisitic character, but you shouldn't attack people over it, BC.
Tas, you're not handling it right by insulting her, however, BC, you are taking this personally. Walk away, don't fight, and ignore each other.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Apr 12, 2018 18:40:19 GMT -5
You don't get it, do you? This has nothing to do with being salty. It has everything to do with people being hateful over a fictional character and wanting her die solely because she 'should' have died ages ago, not because, you know, they want her to have a good farewell. It's people saying she should die because for the sake of 'realism', not because she should die eventually because of her disability. This. I liked Briarlight and it was kinda unnerving how many people wanted her dead solely for this reason. I feel like the only person who actually didn't want her dead, and enjoyed her scenes :/
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 12, 2018 18:40:45 GMT -5
Maybe this thread was a bad idea. Why does everything here have to become a trainwreck?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 18:42:07 GMT -5
i'm reporting this before it gets worse.
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Post by andy on Apr 12, 2018 18:45:08 GMT -5
the fact is she SHOULD have died ages ago especially since so many other characters who should have survived much more easily than her have died from things she hasn't. i dont even recall being hateful over her, i've just generally thought she should've died a while ago. she's had lots of time to get a good farewell, and she did. i really like briarlight, too.
i do think this is getting a little too heated. i never meant any harm, either, so sorry.
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Post by Basement Cat on Apr 12, 2018 18:47:22 GMT -5
Perhaps I do. Perhaps it angers me that people get so hateful because a damn cat with a disability survives crap she likely wouldn't in reality. It's like saying a person with a serious injury should just die because its more realistic that way. It's like giving up before ever trying, and eventually reaching the point you want that person to die just because they should have already. Not looking at their moments of happiness. Not thinking about the good times. Just hatred because they should already be dead. And then throwing a party when they finally die, because hooray, finally they died like they should have! Do you not understand how I might be upset at this viewpoint?
Admittedly, I did skip medication today. It helps with impulses, such as saying things aloud I probably shouldn't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 18:51:30 GMT -5
No one's hateful about it, BC. I even like Briarlight, but we think it's unrealistic, but even if she did die recently, she's been around for what.. 5 years? That's a long lifetime for a cat who's had a broken spine. Everyone's life ends eventually. It would be unrealistic if the Erins kept her immortal. Briarlight never stopped giving up trying, and the writing even said she's at peace.
While Warriors may not be a realistic series, there has to be some realistic events in it. An immortal cat just doesn't work. Briarlight has lived a long life.
Anyways, I guess I shouldn't have been involved, but I felt the need to say this.
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Post by Sand on Apr 12, 2018 19:08:01 GMT -5
I cannot exactly handle the situation right now, but, to make things clear, please remember this. Basement Cat . You and I both know the discussions we have had over this and by word "this", you should know what I'm speaking of. Growing so angry and upset is going to do you no good. Step back and take a break. As for everyone else involved, let's chill out.
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