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Post by dawn on Feb 22, 2018 20:55:41 GMT -5
I don't know if this has already been discussed here, but has anyone ever noticed that the PoT series has no end goal? What I mean by this is each series besides that one has an ending that ties everything together. For example, TPB has the battle with Bloodclan and Tigerstar's death, TNP has the clans settling into new territory and Brambleclaw finally choosing where his heart truly belongs, OotS (as much as I don't really enjoy this series) has the battle with Dark Forest, and DotC has the clans finally being established.
But with PoT, I can't really think of anything that really ties it all together. I mean I guess you could say finding out who their real mother is might be one, but I don't really see that as one. Personally, I think PoT was very jumbled, like the authors weren't sure where they wanted to go with the plot, and that's why there was no real end goal.
What do you guys think? Am I just forgetting the end goal of PoT or is there really not one?
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Post by Alpha on Feb 22, 2018 20:57:46 GMT -5
Well, everything after the first series is technically tied together somehow with every other book. But, yeah, it really didn't have a definite "ending" until an actual goal came up in OotS.
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Post by Basement Cat on Feb 22, 2018 21:04:01 GMT -5
PoT does have a second part. It's PoT 2 - Electric Boogaloo. Also known as OotS.
The thing with PoT and its downer ending is that the writers simply couldn't come up with a conflict resolution that ended after 6 books. PoT and OotS is more a Mega-arc, and OotS is just the disk you switch next to in order to continue the story.
Truthfully, I liked the PoT ending. It had no real resolution. It showed us a main character could be 'killed' off, and things ended messy. It was real, and raw. It was dark, and it made us wonder about how the story would continue on.
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Post by dawn on Feb 22, 2018 21:06:35 GMT -5
PoT does have a second part. It's PoT 2 - Electric Boogaloo. Also known as OotS. The thing with PoT and its downer ending is that the writers simply couldn't come up with a conflict resolution that ended after 6 books. PoT and OotS is more a Mega-arc, and OotS is just the disk you switch next to in order to continue the story. Truthfully, I liked the PoT ending. It had no real resolution. It showed us a main character could be 'killed' off, and things ended messy. It was real, and raw. It was dark, and it made us wonder about how the story would continue on. I definitely see your point. And I have to agree, I liked the last two books of PoT, and Eclipse wasn't awful. I guess it just felt off since there was nothing really there that made it all come together.
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Post by Mayflower on Feb 22, 2018 21:09:01 GMT -5
Nah! You're not the only one thinking that. The only thing intriguing to come out of POT (in my opinion) was Hollyleaf, because I found her interesting. The other characters didn't catch my attention very much (or if they did, they were background characters that were soon forgotten; that excludes cats such as Berrynose, whose personality remains even now, or those like Graystripe, who were oldies). A lot of characters started out interesting, like Jayfeather, but they just got worst, while others like Lionblaze annoyed and/or bored me from the start.
The plot itself isn't riveting during rereads. I have tons of clear memories of how I felt during a lot of the series as a whole, since I'm one of those who was there from the start as the books were being put out. The only things I recall feeling during POT was amazement at the fire scene/Squirrelflight's confession, confusion concerning why the heck Sol existed, and disbelief from Hollyleaf's supposed death/Ashfur's murder. All that technically comes from the last few chapters of Long Shadows and the near end of Sunrise. The rest is a strange blur. The arc itself is kinda weird, because nothing...happens, really? Just a bunch of random events surrounding Jayfeather, Hollyleaf, and Lionblaze with seemingly no goal. There were certainly good moments for me, but I just get the feeling it was being used to set the new stage around the lake now that the Clans have lived there for a while. Instead, it just seemed haphazardly puzzled together, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 21:29:21 GMT -5
I agree. Even though I like POT, the entire series feels like a huge filler. Unlike the rest of the arcs, there is no general plotline. Every book is a different plot, and none of them really tie in together. Yes there are subplots that continue throughout the series, but over all the series is very disconnected with no over all theme or goal. The first book is Warriors Olympics, the second book is about the tunnels, the third book is a useless Tribe filler book, the forth book is about Sol and the battle, the fifth book is about ShadowClan and Ashfur, the sixth book is about Hollyleaf. It's all very disconnected compared to the rest of the series where there is an over all goal and whatever happens in one book affects the next. Whereas these don't really do that. The events in The Sight have no impact on Eclipse. Outcast has no impact on Sunrise. You could take them out and it would be like nothing happened. And so on. I would say the last three books are the only ones that really connect the best with one another but even then they couldn't wrap things up in that short amount of time. I think the Erins bit off more than they could chew. They wanted to impliment a hundred different things into this arc but they didn't think the plot through enough and it failed
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 22, 2018 21:34:44 GMT -5
I've noticed this a long time ago, and it makes sense considering OotS is supposed to be a direct follow-up. But the thing about PoT is it's story is already pretty fragmented in its own arc. Each book has its own story to follow and—with the exception of the last two books—the problem is mostly resolved by the end. There's no consistency, especially when you look at the other arcs. Even OotS had an overall story to tell, even if it was badly written.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 22, 2018 23:05:31 GMT -5
Power of Three reads like a prequel series, imo. I think it could have been really interesting if the books had been written with Omen of the Stars being read first and then reading Power of Three to get the background. It would emphasizes Hollyleaf's fall from grace by showing how despite her lofty intentions, she's destined to fail hard, for example.
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Post by chimken nugget on Feb 23, 2018 0:19:47 GMT -5
OoTS was a continuation of PoT.
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Post by dawn on Feb 23, 2018 0:41:26 GMT -5
pot has absolutely no cohesion and is completely hijacked by subplots. In fact according to vicky the plot of pot was designed around the ashfur scene. which is a subplot. the prophecy is he main plot but we know nothing more about it in sunrise than we did in the sight. the arc really seems the most slice of life because upon second reading you realize how every little thing slowly drives hollyleaf insane. but overall nothing really ties together or results in anything outside of hollyleaf. lionblaze has an arc but its forgotten by tfa and jayfeather's arc is more or less learning to not be an ass I guess. I don't think he ever learned, tbh.
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