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Post by Splintercat on Aug 13, 2016 15:30:10 GMT -5
hey i'm not a christian but can i just say i support this thread 100% i know within the forums christianity and other religions are seen in a bad light by some due to some beliefs that a minority from the religions hold. however coming from someone who would be the 'victim' of these beliefs (i am gay) can i just say that i am v happy there is a thread to represent christianity on the forums because religion is so important in many people's lives so thank you Thank you, that means a lot! I'm sorry if you've been mistreated by people in the name of Jesus
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Post by sea cat on Aug 13, 2016 15:31:29 GMT -5
@jester hey that's no problem!! (: Splintercat no problem!! (: and it's okay honestly, that's not yours or your religions fault
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 15:37:25 GMT -5
I'm trying to get my bf to go to church. I want him to be in heaven with me when we die, but he says he isn't ready... I just hope it's not too late when he's ready...
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Post by Splintercat on Aug 13, 2016 15:45:35 GMT -5
I'm trying to get my bf to go to church. I want him to be in heaven with me when we die, but he says he isn't ready... I just hope it's not too late when he's ready... We'll all pray for him, I'm sure. Just keep praying, and talk to him about Christ in a non-intrusive way whenever he's open to the subject. Most importantly, be Christ-like and show him that belief in Christ does change people for the better. Would you like me to add this to the prayer request list?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 15:47:04 GMT -5
Yes, please his name is John, so you know
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Post by Splintercat on Aug 13, 2016 15:52:54 GMT -5
Yes, please his name is John, so you know Arright, added.
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Post by Cheyenne on Aug 13, 2016 16:09:27 GMT -5
Aren't we not supposed to discuss religion though?
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Post by Cheyenne on Aug 13, 2016 16:13:11 GMT -5
Aren't we not supposed to discuss religion though? We can, so long as it's civil and within forum guidelines. Oh ok I just didn't want anyone to get into trouble.
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Post by Splintercat on Aug 13, 2016 16:24:37 GMT -5
We can, so long as it's civil and within forum guidelines. Oh ok I just didn't want anyone to get into trouble. Yeah that's what my first thought was when I had the idea for this place. This thread would've been insta-killed by the mods on the old WCF but luckily this type of thing is allowed on the new forums
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 16:48:21 GMT -5
Would it be okay for someone who is LDS to talk here? I generally try to avoid things involving religion/Christianity as most people don't quite understand that LDS people are Christians, so it's generally hard for me to have a simple conversation about it?
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Post by Splintercat on Aug 13, 2016 16:53:30 GMT -5
Would it be okay for someone who is LDS to talk here? I generally try to avoid things involving religion/Christianity as most people don't quite understand that LDS people are Christians, so it's generally hard for me to have a simple conversation about it? Yes, definitely! We already have a few LDS people chatting here, and everyone's been super open-minded and respectful so far.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 16:54:11 GMT -5
Yes, please his name is John, so you know Arright, added. Thank you <3
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 16:54:29 GMT -5
Would it be okay for someone who is LDS to talk here? I generally try to avoid things involving religion/Christianity as most people don't quite understand that LDS people are Christians, so it's generally hard for me to have a simple conversation about it? Yes, definitely! We already have a few LDS people chatting here, and everyone's been super open-minded and respectful so far. Thank you! There is?
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Post by Splintercat on Aug 13, 2016 16:56:52 GMT -5
Yes, definitely! We already have a few LDS people chatting here, and everyone's been super open-minded and respectful so far. Thank you! There is? Yep, @periwinkle and Lightningdawn are LDS. Lightning is Remnant LDS though, which is cool and pretty rare.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 16:58:52 GMT -5
Yep, @periwinkle and Lightningdawn are LDS. Lightning is Remnant LDS though, which is cool and pretty rare. Oh wow!
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Post by Splintercat on Aug 13, 2016 17:01:36 GMT -5
Yep, @periwinkle and Lightningdawn are LDS. Lightning is Remnant LDS though, which is cool and pretty rare. Oh wow! Yeah, surprisingly diverse variety of denominations and religions on these forums. Catholics, Mormons, RLDS, and boring old Protestants like me, off the top of my head. We'd love to have you here too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:25:56 GMT -5
ahh can i just say real quick that it's super hard being gay and christian cause like
i know God made me gay cause i can't remember a time that i didn't have feelings towards other girls but like, it's hard you know? cause i identify as bi, but sometimes i'll meet a girl and think, "man i could spend my life with her," but then i remember that i can't because of my religion and it's really really hard cause it's not like i'm thinking lustfully and it's not even about the intimate part of the relationship, i'll just really be enjoying her as a person.
and like when i'm around my other gay friends it's really hard to both be supportive of them but adhere to my religion cause they're so dang happy with their significant others you know? and i want them to be happy so bad. and then i'll say something in support and really get knotted up that God's mad at me for that even though idk it's kinda peer pressure but at the same time i'm having a hard time figuring out what i believe.
because though being gay is taught as a sin (well not being gay but like having a gay partner cause it doesn't procreate), i can't imagine why God would make people gay just to send them to hell when they pursue love? like, i get we're all sinners, but to me it seems really counterintuitive and cruel, you know? i know that i can't understand God and all His workings, but i just... i really can't even comprehend to understand this one if God is sending gay people to hell for loving someone of the same gender?
cause i completely understand why the church is against it, but it is love. what i feel is love and admiration and affection and attraction like i would feel to any man (since i'm bi), and if a gay person is really in love with someone, or just doesn't know it's a sin, i don't know why a God so merciful and loving would send them to hell.
like, a lot of people who are christian, but definitely not everyone, act like gay people are lustful monsters, and they're really not? they experience the same attraction straight people feel but just to the same gender and? idk it's confusing and kinda scary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:32:05 GMT -5
ahh can i just say real quick that it's super hard being gay and christian cause like i know God made me gay cause i can't remember a time that i didn't have feelings towards other girls but like, it's hard you know? cause i identify as bi, but sometimes i'll meet a girl and think, "man i could spend my life with her," but then i remember that i can't because of my religion and it's really really hard cause it's not like i'm thinking lustfully and it's not even about the intimate part of the relationship, i'll just really be enjoying her as a person. and like when i'm around my other gay friends it's really hard to both be supportive of them but adhere to my religion cause they're so dang happy with their significant others you know? and i want them to be happy so bad. and then i'll say something in support and really get knotted up that God's mad at me for that even though idk it's kinda peer pressure but at the same time i'm having a hard time figuring out what i believe. because though being gay is taught as a sin (well not being gay but like having a gay partner cause it doesn't procreate), i can't imagine why God would make people gay just to send them to hell when they pursue love? like, i get we're all sinners, but to me it seems really counterintuitive and cruel, you know? i know that i can't understand God and all His workings, but i just... i really can't even comprehend to understand this one if God is sending gay people to hell for loving someone of the same gender? cause i completely understand why the church is against it, but it is love. what i feel is love and admiration and affection and attraction like i would feel to any man (since i'm bi), and if a gay person is really in love with someone, or just doesn't know it's a sin, i don't know why a God so merciful and loving would send them to hell. like, a lot of people who are christian, but definitely not everyone, act like gay people are lustful monsters, and they're really not? they experience the same attraction straight people feel but just to the same gender and? idk it's confusing and kinda scary. That's one thing I don't understand, marriage to procreate. And I look at infertile people and think, they should be allowed to marry despite that?? But with the gay thing it could be a test to see if you choose the sinners life, or choose to follow his teachings? I mean God tests us in weird ways sometimes, and those who follow him, will be rewarded one day
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:34:10 GMT -5
ahh can i just say real quick that it's super hard being gay and christian cause like i know God made me gay cause i can't remember a time that i didn't have feelings towards other girls but like, it's hard you know? cause i identify as bi, but sometimes i'll meet a girl and think, "man i could spend my life with her," but then i remember that i can't because of my religion and it's really really hard cause it's not like i'm thinking lustfully and it's not even about the intimate part of the relationship, i'll just really be enjoying her as a person. and like when i'm around my other gay friends it's really hard to both be supportive of them but adhere to my religion cause they're so dang happy with their significant others you know? and i want them to be happy so bad. and then i'll say something in support and really get knotted up that God's mad at me for that even though idk it's kinda peer pressure but at the same time i'm having a hard time figuring out what i believe. because though being gay is taught as a sin (well not being gay but like having a gay partner cause it doesn't procreate), i can't imagine why God would make people gay just to send them to hell when they pursue love? like, i get we're all sinners, but to me it seems really counterintuitive and cruel, you know? i know that i can't understand God and all His workings, but i just... i really can't even comprehend to understand this one if God is sending gay people to hell for loving someone of the same gender? cause i completely understand why the church is against it, but it is love. what i feel is love and admiration and affection and attraction like i would feel to any man (since i'm bi), and if a gay person is really in love with someone, or just doesn't know it's a sin, i don't know why a God so merciful and loving would send them to hell. like, a lot of people who are christian, but definitely not everyone, act like gay people are lustful monsters, and they're really not? they experience the same attraction straight people feel but just to the same gender and? idk it's confusing and kinda scary. That's one thing I don't understand, marriage to procreate. And I look at infertile people and think, they should be allowed to marry despite that?? But with the gay thing it could be a test to see if you choose the sinners life, or choose to follow his teachings? I mean God tests us in weird ways sometimes, and those who follow him, will be rewarded one day put it's such a cruel test? our God isn't a cruel God, He's loving and just, and i just don't get it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:34:33 GMT -5
But I do believe God, despite saying homosexuals are abominations, will forgive somebody if they truly are saved. Love is love. And he is merciful to his children
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:36:01 GMT -5
That's one thing I don't understand, marriage to procreate. And I look at infertile people and think, they should be allowed to marry despite that?? But with the gay thing it could be a test to see if you choose the sinners life, or choose to follow his teachings? I mean God tests us in weird ways sometimes, and those who follow him, will be rewarded one day put it's such a cruel test? our God isn't a cruel God, He's loving and just, and i just don't get it. Well remember Job. God let Satan take everything from him, his wife, children... everything except his life. And when everything is said and done, he ended up on top
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:36:57 GMT -5
put it's such a cruel test? our God isn't a cruel God, He's loving and just, and i just don't get it. Well remember Job. God let Satan take everything from him, his wife, children... everything except his life. And when everything is said and done, he ended up on top ugh yeah. idk man. it's just hard idk.
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Post by Splintercat on Aug 13, 2016 17:38:41 GMT -5
@bolderpelt, sorry, I didn't see your post until now, but you might be interested in this (that's a link). I really emphathize with the struggle of homosexual Christians, because, like you said, you're just born that way. I'd say that being attracted to the same sex isn't inherently sinful; lusting after people definitely is, just like it's sinful for straight Christians to lust after members the opposite gender. Whether being in a God-honoring, loving, consensual gay relationship is sinful is another question, and that's what the link is about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:38:53 GMT -5
Well remember Job. God let Satan take everything from him, his wife, children... everything except his life. And when everything is said and done, he ended up on top ugh yeah. idk man. it's just hard idk. Nobody said living for Him is easy. Getting saved is, living for him is hard. Just keep persevering, as hard as it is, if you hold out, one day God will tell you "well done, my faithful servant"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:46:46 GMT -5
@bolderpelt , sorry, I didn't see your post until now, but you might be interested in this (that's a link). I really emphathize with the struggle of homosexual Christians, because, like you said, you're just born that way. I'd say that being attracted to the same sex isn't inherently sinful; lusting after people definitely is, just like it's sinful for straight Christians to lust after members the opposite gender. Whether being in a God-honoring, loving, consensual gay relationship is sinful is another question, and that's what the link is about. ah, thanks. i'll read it sometime. i don't know, it's really tearing me up right now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:47:48 GMT -5
ugh yeah. idk man. it's just hard idk. Nobody said living for Him is easy. Getting saved is, living for him is hard. Just keep persevering, as hard as it is, if you hold out, one day God will tell you "well done, my faithful servant" well, i never 'got saved,' i'm a roman catholic, so. but yeah, it's true. i'm trying haha.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:48:06 GMT -5
Two Christian bands I know, btw: The Newsboys Skillet
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Post by Splintercat on Aug 13, 2016 17:49:05 GMT -5
@bolderpelt , sorry, I didn't see your post until now, but you might be interested in this (that's a link). I really emphathize with the struggle of homosexual Christians, because, like you said, you're just born that way. I'd say that being attracted to the same sex isn't inherently sinful; lusting after people definitely is, just like it's sinful for straight Christians to lust after members the opposite gender. Whether being in a God-honoring, loving, consensual gay relationship is sinful is another question, and that's what the link is about. ah, thanks. i'll read it sometime. i don't know, it's really tearing me up right now. Yeah, I'm really sorry you have to go through this. I know that it's really hard to struggle against. I'll pray that God will provide you with peace and comfort.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:49:21 GMT -5
Being gay isn't a sin. You can't choose who you're attracted to. Sin is something you yourself are responsible for - acting on homosexual thoughts and desires is the sin, just as it's a sin to act on heterosexual thoughts and desires outside of marriage. That said, God defines marriage as one man and one woman. God doesn't make anyone gay, specifically, but we are all born into a sinful nature. Some of us simply struggle with different temptations. I fully believe that sexuality is fluid and that, if one wishes to follow Christ and prays for guidance, that homosexual temptation can be dealt with, and even taken away altogether (I have personally witnessed both). Christ died for homosexuals. God loves persons of all sexual orientations, just as He loves all sinners. A lot of Christians like to focus on homosexuality as The Big Sin™ when, in reality, it's no different than any other. Do I sympathize with those who struggle with it, and do I understand how unfair it must seem? Yes. I myself am not straight, and I have faced prejudice from my fellow Christians because of it. But do I believe it's something that, like all other things in this life, can be worked through with the help of God? Absolutely. the only thing i'm grateful for is that God make me bi, cause i have the option of having a male partner no matter what. it makes me so sad to look at my gay friends though and think, "Is my God going to send them to hell?" i don't know. i've been praying about it for awhile.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:49:27 GMT -5
Nobody said living for Him is easy. Getting saved is, living for him is hard. Just keep persevering, as hard as it is, if you hold out, one day God will tell you "well done, my faithful servant" well, i never 'got saved,' i'm a roman catholic, so. but yeah, it's true. i'm trying haha. Ahh gotcha. If you ever decide to be saved (I'm Baptist by the way) hit me up, I have tracks from my church that explains how to be saved. I can explain to you the process, if you ever decide too :3 if not, no worries ^.^
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