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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 9:13:39 GMT -5
☂ //pterodactyl screech//
I am really hating school so far. :I
Rarrrgh...
Ok, I'm good now. Hi, everybody. :')
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Post by Splintercat on Sept 8, 2016 9:21:45 GMT -5
☂ //pterodactyl screech//
I am really hating school so far. :I
Rarrrgh...
Ok, I'm good now. Hi, everybody. :') Hola. I'm about to leave for school (cri) so I'm just popping on here real quick.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 9:26:01 GMT -5
☂ Splintercat - Allo. c:
Good luck at school. When did you start?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 10:58:32 GMT -5
im literally so tired
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 11:09:26 GMT -5
Batman: Agreed. Ah, I was just responding to a branch off from the topic of transhumanism. ^^ That's what I figured, that's a pretty extreme side.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 13:22:34 GMT -5
Was the whole "I'll pray for you" thing up there ^ meant to be a joke?
Edit: I'm about to leave, so I figured I'd drop my notes here. I'll be back later tonight. I only got to verse 4; I hope ya'll keep up the discussion.
Introduction: Romans was probably written during Paul’s third missionary journey from Corinth, around/in the winter and early spring of AD 56-57. The epistle (or letter... to Rome from Corinth) was written when Paul was about to set out for Jerusalem (15:25). Paul also considers himself to have completed his missionary work among the eastern provinces of the Roman Empire (15:19, 23), therefore, the journey is probably the one recorded in Acts 20-21, which begins from Corinth (Acts 19:21; 20:1-3). Since the book has so many doctrines, Paul wanted to instruct the Romans in their faith. Romans is, in my opinion, one of the greatest theological books in the Bible. Paul ties in the Old Testament and Old Covenant into the New Covenant (New Testament was not yet completed).
Romans 1
1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, and set apart for the gospel of God—
The word used for "servant" here is δοῦλος (doulos). This word is used 35 times in the NT, and is also translated as "slave." So did Paul consider himself a slave to Christ? It's not wrongly translated "servant" in this context as the compulsory and degrading side of service is not put forward, but as we know, the idea of “slavery” in the present day has altogether different associations. The most commonly referenced type of slavery in the OT was actually voluntary servitude by the sons of Israel (indentured servants). Those who needed assistance, could not pay their debts, or needed protection from another were allowed, under Biblical law, to become indentured servants (Ex. 21:2-6; Deut. 15:12-18). They were dependent on their master instead of the state. This was a way to aid the poor and give them an opportunity to get back on their feet. It was not permanent and could be likened more to an employee-employer relationship today, rather than the forced and abusive slavery we are so familiar with here in America. In this connection, Paul's use of "doulos" makes perfect sense: Paul, like all men, has a debt he cannot repay (sin), needs assistance, and protection from punishment (salvation). Thus, he is a deliberate and willful servant of Jesus Christ. Looking at "set apart for": ἀφωρισμένος (aphōrismenos); also translated "separated." Compare Acts 13:2 (“Separate me Barnabas and Saul”), where human instruments—the leaders of the Church at Antioch—are employed to carry out the divine will. The reference here is to the historical fact of the selection of St. Paul to be an Apostle; in Galatians 1:15 (“it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb”), it is rather to the more distant act of divine predestination. Paul is saying, by being set apart for the gospel of God, that he was chosen to teach it, i.e., "called to be an apostle". Singled out and set apart to convey the message of salvation from God to man.
1:2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures
The Gospel is not, in principle, a new thing. On the contrary, God promised it before, through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures. It is the fulfillment of hopes that God Himself inspired. The prophetic writings describe not only salvation, the substance of the gospel, but also the preaching of salvation, the gospel itself.
1:3 regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David,
I.e., of the virgin Mary, who was of David’s lineage and posterity; the promise was expressly that the Messiah should be “of the fruit of his loins”. See Acts 2:30 (compare Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, Ezekiel 34:24). This promise was so fully known to the Jews, that when they spoke of the Messiah, they called him “the Son of David” (see Matthew 21:9 and 22:42; Mark 10:47-48). Thus, Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of being a descendant of David.
1:4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
NIV reads “appointed”; I prefer KJV, which reads “declared to be”. Jesus in His humiliation (that is, His humbled and human state) was despised and rejected (Isaiah 53:3). He spoke as the Son of the Father (John 5:19-23), but was persecuted because He “said also that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God” (John 5:18). At the cross, his sonship was called into question (Matthew 27:39-43), but the Holy Spirit raised Him from the dead. This event set Him apart (again, singled out) as God’s unique Son, exalted over death and Satan, invested with all power (Matthew 28:18).
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Post by Light on Sept 8, 2016 17:27:27 GMT -5
Batman: It is, isn't it. ^^ I personally think it won't come to that, but I can't really say. Who knows what will happen in the future, but God? Sure, there are weather forecasts and predictions with politics, but they are never one-hundred percent accurate. God is one-hundred percent accurate, and more. XD Amazing isn't it. --- Petalouda: I admire your way of explaining things, and how you use verses to back up what you say. Your analysis of the first few verses really brings deeper insight into it.
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Post by Light on Sept 8, 2016 17:38:30 GMT -5
Next book series ideas!!! I love good Christian Fiction...
(The Halflings series by Heather Burch) - Halflings, (Nephilim, or half angel, half human) are sent to Nikki Youngblood to protect her. The series has some impressive plot twists throughout. Full of emotional challenge too.
and
(The Remnants series by Lisa Tawn Bergren) - Trained their whole life, they set into the world gifted with powers from God. Exciting!
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 8, 2016 18:05:36 GMT -5
As long as they were all civilized in accordance of the law (i.e. legal), then yes, he would need annulments for all 6 marriages. It sounds to me like your father doesn't take the permanence of marriage very seriously. Or in other words, if he has been under the wrong impression that marriage is soluble to the Church, he's probably eligible for an annulment on those grounds. (If, however, he has always known that the Church does not believe divorce can dissolve a marriage, but he divorced anyways, it's going to be harder).
The good news is that the Church recognizes any children from the marriage(s) to still be legitimate, even if they grant the annulment saying the marriage was invalid. So if he gets annulments then you won't be seen as illegitimate in the eyes of Catholicism or anything.
I'm glad I can help! I grew up in a devout Catholic family, and being home schooled means I have a great theological education. I am eager to put my knowledge to the test xD
You're awesome, Shadow. I do have a question, though. We know the Bible permits divorce only in the case of infidelity (Matthew 19:9). If infidelity is the case, would the marriage in question still need to be annulled, even as the divorce was "in the right", so to speak? As far as I know, the cited verse says nothing about divorce being permitted in the case of infidelity: 19:3-12 "Some Pharisees approached him, and tested him, saying, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause whatever?” [Jesus] said in reply, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, let no human put asunder.” They said to him, “Then why did Moses command that the man give the woman a bill of divorce and dismiss [her]?” He said to them, “Because of the hardness of your hearts Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery.” [His] disciples said to him, “If that is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” He answered, “Not all can accept [this] word, but only those to whom that is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.”
Thus are the verses in question. As you can see, it does not say anything about infidelity being a reason to divorce. Catholicism's belief in divorce being wrong is based on the above scripture. Christ says two key things here (bolded above): that marriages divorce was never meant to be a thing, and that it is not within the power of mere humans to split a marriage. That is, divorce, the "separation" of a marriage, is seen as invalid in the eyes of the Church. A divorced couple is still seen as married in the eyes of Catholicism unless they have received an annulment-- that is, a declaration that the marriage was never valid in the first place. This is why Catholics do not accept remarriage of divorced but not annulled couples.
To answer your question, now that there is some groundwork laid out. A divorce is never recognized by the Church. There is never an instance when a divorce is seen as "in the right" by the Church. Now, the Church recognizes that divorces are necessary for legal reasons among annulled couples. However, a divorce in itself does not work. It all hearkens back to my aforementioned explanation that a marriage cannot be "unmade" by man, since its a joining of two people by God. We can only recognize when there has been a mistaken that prevented a marriage from being valid in the first place (i.e. annulments).
Infidelity alone is not seen as a reason to declare a marriage null and void by the Church. However, if one of the spouses took his/her vows with a plan/idea/belief that he did not have to stay inside the bounds of his marriage sexually, than his/her vows were invalid, and thus so is the marriage. (In other words, if one spouse entered the marriage without planning on remaining faithful, that would be grounds for annulment).
TL;DR: Divorce is never seen as valid by the Church, because divorce is the separation/end of a marriage, which the Church does not recognize as possible unless one half dies. Annulments are always required in order for a marriage to be declared invalid. Infidelity is not enough of a reason for annulments usually.
In short: yes.
Hope this wasn't confusing xD
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 8, 2016 18:07:13 GMT -5
all i want in life is to marry a hot catholic boy and get my series published is that too much to ask
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 18:10:51 GMT -5
Hello humans.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 18:38:47 GMT -5
all i want in life is to marry a hot catholic boy and get my series published is that too much to ask Same for me tho like Give me a cute Christian boy, maybe publish a story, and finish vet school lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 18:58:33 GMT -5
Batman: It is, isn't it. ^^ I personally think it won't come to that, but I can't really say. Who knows what will happen in the future, but God? Sure, there are weather forecasts and predictions with politics, but they are never one-hundred percent accurate. God is one-hundred percent accurate, and more. XD Amazing isn't it. Yep, sure is.
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Post by Splintercat on Sept 8, 2016 19:09:03 GMT -5
☂ Splintercat - Allo. c:
Good luck at school. When did you start? September 6th
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Post by Splintercat on Sept 8, 2016 19:19:51 GMT -5
Crikey I think we missed the Bible study time
I kinda wanted to reschedule it anyway, since like five people have said that they couldn't make it
Maybe Saturday at 7:30 PM EST? People might be less likely to have stuff to do then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 19:22:19 GMT -5
I say reschedule
I haven't even started reading oops
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 19:35:09 GMT -5
You're awesome, Shadow. I do have a question, though. We know the Bible permits divorce only in the case of infidelity (Matthew 19:9). If infidelity is the case, would the marriage in question still need to be annulled, even as the divorce was "in the right", so to speak? As far as I know, the cited verse says nothing about divorce being permitted in the case of infidelity: 19:3-12 "Some Pharisees approached him, and tested him, saying, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause whatever?” [Jesus] said in reply, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, let no human put asunder.” They said to him, “Then why did Moses command that the man give the woman a bill of divorce and dismiss [her]?” He said to them, “Because of the hardness of your hearts Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery.” [His] disciples said to him, “If that is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” He answered, “Not all can accept [this] word, but only those to whom that is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.”
Thus are the verses in question. As you can see, it does not say anything about infidelity being a reason to divorce. Catholicism's belief in divorce being wrong is based on the above scripture. Christ says two key things here (bolded above): that marriages divorce was never meant to be a thing, and that it is not within the power of mere humans to split a marriage. That is, divorce, the "separation" of a marriage, is seen as invalid in the eyes of the Church. A divorced couple is still seen as married in the eyes of Catholicism unless they have received an annulment-- that is, a declaration that the marriage was never valid in the first place. This is why Catholics do not accept remarriage of divorced but not annulled couples.
To answer your question, now that there is some groundwork laid out. A divorce is never recognized by the Church. There is never an instance when a divorce is seen as "in the right" by the Church. Now, the Church recognizes that divorces are necessary for legal reasons among annulled couples. However, a divorce in itself does not work. It all hearkens back to my aforementioned explanation that a marriage cannot be "unmade" by man, since its a joining of two people by God. We can only recognize when there has been a mistaken that prevented a marriage from being valid in the first place (i.e. annulments).
Infidelity alone is not seen as a reason to declare a marriage null and void by the Church. However, if one of the spouses took his/her vows with a plan/idea/belief that he did not have to stay inside the bounds of his marriage sexually, than his/her vows were invalid, and thus so is the marriage. (In other words, if one spouse entered the marriage without planning on remaining faithful, that would be grounds for annulment).
TL;DR: Divorce is never seen as valid by the Church, because divorce is the separation/end of a marriage, which the Church does not recognize as possible unless one half dies. Annulments are always required in order for a marriage to be declared invalid. Infidelity is not enough of a reason for annulments usually.
In short: yes.
Hope this wasn't confusing xD
"Unless the marriage is unlawful"; translation differs. μὴ ἐπὶ πορνείᾳ -- "except for sexual immorality." Adultery is unlawful. That said, I agree that a divorce cannot be "in the right"; that phrasing on my part was for lack of better words. I appreciate the detailed answer; it wasn't confusing at all!
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I hope someday I’ll be okay again...
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Post by Dawnsky13 on Sept 8, 2016 20:16:29 GMT -5
Dawn: Ah. Group discussions aren't my specialty either. I'd say pray for peace and for the right words. Try not to worry too much about it. When it's time think of something related to the topic and at a pause, throw it out there. Remember that God is looking out for you. Nobody will blame you for taking part in the discussion, and if they do, it is most likely that they are teasing. ^^ Friendly teasing. If it's just a matter of trying to find something to say and fitting it in, aim first for getting one point in. You can do this! I know you can. May God bless you with peace and confidence! ^^ I hope this is useful. Good luck! Shadow's idea is a good idea too. Everyone has a different approach on how to solve things. --- Tree: Thank you! XD Thanks. I've got my discussion tomorrow, so hopefully it'll go well!😁
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Post by Rανєη'ѕ ƑƖιgнт on Sept 8, 2016 20:38:47 GMT -5
Crikey I think we missed the Bible study time I kinda wanted to reschedule it anyway, since like five people have said that they couldn't make it Maybe Saturday at 7:30 PM EST? People might be less likely to have stuff to do then. That doesn't work for me, because I'll be working on my family's old house so we can sell it. I don't mind if you guys go through with the study though.
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Post by Rανєη'ѕ ƑƖιgнт on Sept 8, 2016 20:40:35 GMT -5
The Blind Side is a good movie that also has Christian themes.
Also, what's your favorite Narnia book? I like The Silver Chair and The Magician's Nephew.
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Post by Light on Sept 8, 2016 21:00:06 GMT -5
Dawn: You'll do just fine! XD I believe in you! --- Shadow: I love your detailed explanations. God probably has the perfect young man for you. ^^ --- I personally don't know if I am destined for a mate... What ever God has planned for me, I want to do fullheartedly. Yet I wonder what my purpose is, what it is he wants me to do. There is a friend who doesn't believe in Jesus. She honestly doesn't know what to believe. Eyes each religion as just that. Religion. After years together as friends, I've said very little about God. My verbal explaining skills are horrible. When I hear she might be moving away soon, I get an urge to write a paper summing up the bible, and showing a view of Jesus from a follower. I planned to tell her to use it for her studies, and hope than God would find her through those words. I was thinking this might be one of my purposes. But there is one problem. I haven't been writing it, and I don't know if she's leaving this year, or after winter next year. I guess I didn't have to share this, but it's here now, so I suppose it's fine. --- I was busy cleaning out the garden at the time for the bible study. Sorry! DX
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 8, 2016 21:01:24 GMT -5
As far as I know, the cited verse says nothing about divorce being permitted in the case of infidelity: 19:3-12 "Some Pharisees approached him, and tested him, saying, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause whatever?” [Jesus] said in reply, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, let no human put asunder.” They said to him, “Then why did Moses command that the man give the woman a bill of divorce and dismiss [her]?” He said to them, “Because of the hardness of your hearts Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery.” [His] disciples said to him, “If that is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” He answered, “Not all can accept [this] word, but only those to whom that is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.”
Thus are the verses in question. As you can see, it does not say anything about infidelity being a reason to divorce. Catholicism's belief in divorce being wrong is based on the above scripture. Christ says two key things here (bolded above): that marriages divorce was never meant to be a thing, and that it is not within the power of mere humans to split a marriage. That is, divorce, the "separation" of a marriage, is seen as invalid in the eyes of the Church. A divorced couple is still seen as married in the eyes of Catholicism unless they have received an annulment-- that is, a declaration that the marriage was never valid in the first place. This is why Catholics do not accept remarriage of divorced but not annulled couples.
To answer your question, now that there is some groundwork laid out. A divorce is never recognized by the Church. There is never an instance when a divorce is seen as "in the right" by the Church. Now, the Church recognizes that divorces are necessary for legal reasons among annulled couples. However, a divorce in itself does not work. It all hearkens back to my aforementioned explanation that a marriage cannot be "unmade" by man, since its a joining of two people by God. We can only recognize when there has been a mistaken that prevented a marriage from being valid in the first place (i.e. annulments).
Infidelity alone is not seen as a reason to declare a marriage null and void by the Church. However, if one of the spouses took his/her vows with a plan/idea/belief that he did not have to stay inside the bounds of his marriage sexually, than his/her vows were invalid, and thus so is the marriage. (In other words, if one spouse entered the marriage without planning on remaining faithful, that would be grounds for annulment).
TL;DR: Divorce is never seen as valid by the Church, because divorce is the separation/end of a marriage, which the Church does not recognize as possible unless one half dies. Annulments are always required in order for a marriage to be declared invalid. Infidelity is not enough of a reason for annulments usually.
In short: yes.
Hope this wasn't confusing xD
"Unless the marriage is unlawful"; translation differs. μὴ ἐπὶ πορνείᾳ -- "except for sexual immorality." Adultery is unlawful. That said, I agree that a divorce cannot be "in the right"; that phrasing on my part was for lack of better words. I appreciate the detailed answer; it wasn't confusing at all! πορνείᾳ (****eia) is the pivotal word here. It is the Greek word meaning "unlawful sexual intercourse." However, the Gospel does not use the word, μοιχεία (moicheia), which is the Greek word for adultery. Thus, scholars believe the particular word usage indicated an intent to separate marriage from concubinage. Or, in other words, distinguishing between actual marriage versus a man and woman cohabitating as if married. In these cases there is no lawful or sacramental bond holding the two together, in which case neither divorce or annulment is necessary.
TL;DR: "sexual immortality" "unlawful" etc actually refers to pre-marital sexual relations. We know the Gospel uses the Greek word for sexual immorality, not the greek word for adultery.
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Post by Light on Sept 8, 2016 21:07:39 GMT -5
Raven: Ooh! I love the Narnia series! XD It's been a long time since I read them though. I need to do it sometime. ^^
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 8, 2016 21:10:07 GMT -5
Shadow: I love your detailed explanations. God probably has the perfect young man for you. ^^ --- I personally don't know if I am destined for a mate... What ever God has planned for me, I want to do fullheartedly. Yet I wonder what my purpose is, what it is he wants me to do. There is a friend who doesn't believe in Jesus. She honestly doesn't know what to believe. Eyes each religion as just that. Religion. After years together as friends, I've said very little about God. My verbal explaining skills are horrible. When I hear she might be moving away soon, I get an urge to write a paper summing up the bible, and showing a view of Jesus from a follower. I planned to tell her to use it for her studies, and hope than God would find her through those words. I was thinking this might be one of my purposes. But there is one problem. I haven't been writing it, and I don't know if she's leaving this year, or after winter next year. I guess I didn't have to share this, but it's here now, so I suppose it's fine. awww thank you!! It's been suggested to me several times by young women who gave lectures at girls' youth group to pray for our future husbands. I'm not the best at remembering to pray every night, but when I do, I always make sure to pray for him. Whoever he is. Mostly that whatever stress he might be feeling at the moment might be lifted from his shoulders, or that he feels God's presence. It's comforting.
If you struggle with apologetics, try letting others do the work for you. There's tons of amazing books that are specifically written towards the skeptic's mind with the goal of explaining how Christianity is not as far-fetched and blind as they may think. Mere Christianity is a good one, especially if she's an intellectual. Cold Case Christianity is another. So is the Case for Christ. Plenty of others on the front page. You could always write her a note or letter and stick it to the cover when you give it to her. Then it's more personal, and you could explain your challenge for her to at least read two chapters. Or something similar.
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Post by Rανєη'ѕ ƑƖιgнт on Sept 8, 2016 21:11:31 GMT -5
Raven: Ooh! I love the Narnia series! XD It's been a long time since I read them though. I need to do it sometime. ^^ I do too! It's been awhile since I've read the books though. I skim them every so often.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 8, 2016 21:13:35 GMT -5
okay i lied i also want to be fluent in 8 languages on top of my marriage and book wishes and have 8 kids now im done
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 21:33:29 GMT -5
Shadow: I love your detailed explanations. God probably has the perfect young man for you. ^^ --- I personally don't know if I am destined for a mate... What ever God has planned for me, I want to do fullheartedly. Yet I wonder what my purpose is, what it is he wants me to do. There is a friend who doesn't believe in Jesus. She honestly doesn't know what to believe. Eyes each religion as just that. Religion. After years together as friends, I've said very little about God. My verbal explaining skills are horrible. When I hear she might be moving away soon, I get an urge to write a paper summing up the bible, and showing a view of Jesus from a follower. I planned to tell her to use it for her studies, and hope than God would find her through those words. I was thinking this might be one of my purposes. But there is one problem. I haven't been writing it, and I don't know if she's leaving this year, or after winter next year. I guess I didn't have to share this, but it's here now, so I suppose it's fine. awww thank you!! It's been suggested to me several times by young women who gave lectures at girls' youth group to pray for our future husbands. I'm not the best at remembering to pray every night, but when I do, I always make sure to pray for him. Whoever he is. Mostly that whatever stress he might be feeling at the moment might be lifted from his shoulders, or that he feels God's presence. It's comforting.
If you struggle with apologetics, try letting others do the work for you. There's tons of amazing books that are specifically written towards the skeptic's mind with the goal of explaining how Christianity is not as far-fetched and blind as they may think. Mere Christianity is a good one, especially if she's an intellectual. Cold Case Christianity is another. So is the Case for Christ. Plenty of others on the front page. You could always write her a note or letter and stick it to the cover when you give it to her. Then it's more personal, and you could explain your challenge for her to at least read two chapters. Or something similar.
Mere Christianity is pretty nice so far. C.S. Lewis is great.
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Post by Krypтoɴ on Sept 8, 2016 21:53:57 GMT -5
hey, i'm a Christian but i sometimes feel really bad because i don't go to church on a regular basis. i have a friend who is extremely religious and i feel like she looks down on me because i dont go as often as i should
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Post by Krypтoɴ on Sept 8, 2016 22:04:36 GMT -5
basically everything she does is related to church/youth group and its pretty much the only thing she talks about. she's really close-minded and homophobic so she sometimes makes me uncomfortable. i just feel like she doesnt like me because i dont agree with some of her beliefs
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 22:24:43 GMT -5
I just realized hearts changed her name and pic xDDD
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