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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 23:56:33 GMT -5
I love the plan of salvation ^^ makes me feel good.
K I gtg for the night, have to wake up early. Great chatting with you guys!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 23:57:15 GMT -5
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Post by Splintercat on Aug 12, 2016 23:57:15 GMT -5
IIRC, there are different "realms" of heaven, right? Celestial kingdom, terrestrial kingdom, etc. Wow, you actually know what I'm talking about! Most people don't. Yes, there are three glories. Are there different levels of outer darkness too?
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Post by Splintercat on Aug 12, 2016 23:57:29 GMT -5
I love the plan of salvation ^^ makes me feel good. K I gtg for the night, have to wake up early. Great chatting with you guys! Good night!
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Post by Splintercat on Aug 12, 2016 23:58:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 23:58:52 GMT -5
The only split I was aware of was the FLDS... I think that's what they're called? I'm probably missing something though. Sadly, no, there are many splits. I believ you mean the LDS and RLDS. Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I know next to nothing about the various LDS splits.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 12, 2016 23:59:22 GMT -5
Here are a few interesting things to maybe discuss: "Otherkin" that believe they're deities/angels/things of that nature, what do you guys think about that? And: Talking to the Angels and such through dreams, divination, and so on? if you really want an honest opinion? i think they're nuts Angels aren't humans. They're entirely different creatures that exist on a different plane than humanity, not ensouled but possessing free will, while living only partially inside of time. a Christian claiming to be angel is heresy. personally I think all otherkin have problems and probably need to see a therapist. and i don't say that to be mean or unsympathetic, i honestly think that "otherkin" need help, because they clearly have stuff going on that's causing them to think such a way On the topic of divination, im just gonna post a link to catholic encyclopedia: www.newadvent.org/cathen/05048b.htmin short: it's wrong, because it's a form of seeking help/aid from a power besides God, and the only other such supernatural powers aside from him are those of the demons and the devil.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 0:02:02 GMT -5
finding out that Lucifer was not an archangel but an cherubim changed a lot i thought i understood about angels also when i was in 8th grade i was given something called "friendly defender cards" and they were basically cards with common arguments against catholicism on it along w the appropriate defense + evidence source. they were kinda fun tbh we study a lot of other faiths and how they compare to catholicism. like last year we did a large part of history on the crusades and it was interesting getting to study the islamic faith, how it came about, what jihad meant, etc etc Lucifer or "Son of the Morning Star" whose downfall was his Pride. Very sad. He was created to dwell within the throne room of God, but alas. I really enjoyed learning about the Crusades. They were misunderstood and everyone keeps depicting them as oppressive faith soldiers smh
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 13, 2016 0:02:51 GMT -5
i gtg to bed y'all it's past midnight here and i still want to shower.
nice talking to y'all it was really nice!! learned some stuff tonight. i'll be back
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 0:03:30 GMT -5
if you really want an honest opinion? i think they're nuts Angels aren't humans. They're entirely different creatures that exist on a different plane than humanity, not ensouled but possessing free will, while living only partially inside of time. a Christian claiming to be angel is heresy. On the topic of divination, im just gonna post a link to catholic encyclopedia: www.newadvent.org/cathen/05048b.htmin short: it's wrong, because it's a form of seeking help/aid from a power besides God, and the only other such supernatural powers aside from him are those of the demons and the devil. Divination... are we talking about angels revealing things to people in dreams or people seeking angels for guidance instead of God? I immediately thought the former, but good point there. Divination, like tarot cards and pendulums and such, I think. That's what I meant at least.
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Post by Splintercat on Aug 13, 2016 0:03:50 GMT -5
Here are a few interesting things to maybe discuss: "Otherkin" that believe they're deities/angels/things of that nature, what do you guys think about that? And: Talking to the Angels and such through dreams, divination, and so on? if you really want an honest opinion? i think they're nuts Angels aren't humans. They're entirely different creatures that exist on a different plane than humanity, not ensouled but possessing free will, while living only partially inside of time. a Christian claiming to be angel is heresy. personally I think all otherkin have problems and probably need to see a therapist. and i don't say that to be mean or unsympathetic, i honestly think that "otherkin" need help, because they clearly have stuff going on that's causing them to think such a way On the topic of divination, im just gonna post a link to catholic encyclopedia: www.newadvent.org/cathen/05048b.htmin short: it's wrong, because it's a form of seeking help/aid from a power besides God, and the only other such supernatural powers aside from him are those of the demons and the devil. I second this. I kinda skimmed over the "divination" part and just saw the "angels talking" part, but yeah, that's definitely bad.
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Post by Splintercat on Aug 13, 2016 0:04:01 GMT -5
i gtg to bed y'all it's past midnight here and i still want to shower. nice talking to y'all it was really nice!! learned some stuff tonight. i'll be back Good night!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 0:04:37 GMT -5
Here's another interesting thing:
Are Satan and Lucifer the same person?
I've seen a lot of people claiming they aren't, though I haven't had any references from the Bible come in that I can recall. Thoughts?
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 13, 2016 0:06:03 GMT -5
if you really want an honest opinion? i think they're nuts Angels aren't humans. They're entirely different creatures that exist on a different plane than humanity, not ensouled but possessing free will, while living only partially inside of time. a Christian claiming to be angel is heresy. On the topic of divination, im just gonna post a link to catholic encyclopedia: www.newadvent.org/cathen/05048b.htmin short: it's wrong, because it's a form of seeking help/aid from a power besides God, and the only other such supernatural powers aside from him are those of the demons and the devil. Divination... are we talking about angels revealing things to people in dreams or people seeking angels for guidance instead of God? I immediately thought the former, but good point there. divination usually refers to stuff like palm reading, tarot cards, fortune telling, occult, etc. that's the kind i'm speaking of here. in those cases, the person actively seeks other forms of mystical power to get what they want, rather than seeking God. and there's a million verses in the bible that condemn such things too so it's not really a debatable topic I'm entirely sure Angels can still contact people through dreams and stuff, they've done it before. I think it's okay to seek Angel's intercession, just as we do the Saints (i.e. ask them to pray for us, just like we ask our friends to pray for us). but if we were to seek angels as individual deities, that'd be going into blasphemy
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Post by Lightningdawn on Aug 13, 2016 0:06:36 GMT -5
Wow, you actually know what I'm talking about! Most people don't. Yes, there are three glories. Are there different levels of outer darkness too? Well, actually, I guess I should explain about that. According to our beliefs, Hell is temporary. You see, we believe that there will be something called the Thousand Year Reign where Satan is bound, for, you guessed it, 1000 years. Then, the people who followed God during their time on Earth and who truly believed and glorified him are resurrected. This is when the city of Zion will come back down, and the immortals and mortals will live together. This is the first ressurection. But later, Satan will be Unbound again, and the people in Hell will get another chance to use what they have learned in Hell to live for Christ again. Because, according to our beliefs, Hell is a place of learning about God. However, there's the Lake of Fire/The Pit. This is where those who blasphemed against God go, and those who will not accept Jesus as their savior, even after meeting God/learning about him. This is where those who try to harm the church and don't repent go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 0:07:05 GMT -5
Here's another interesting thing: Are Satan and Lucifer the same person? I've seen a lot of people claiming they aren't, though I haven't had any references from the Bible come in that I can recall. Thoughts? they are to my knowledge. why wouldn't they be, i mean? even if it isn't said directly i'd believe it's heavily suggested and accepted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 0:09:09 GMT -5
Are there different levels of outer darkness too? Well, actually, I guess I should explain about that. According to our beliefs, Hell is temporary. You see, we believe that there will be something called the Thousand Year Reign where Satan is bound, for, you guessed it, 1000 years. Then, the people who followed God during their time on Earth and who truly believed and glorified him are resurrected. This is when the city of Zion will come back down, and the immortals and mortals will live together. This is the first ressurection. But later, Satan will be Unbound again, and the people in Hell will get another chance to use what they have learned in Hell to live for Christ again. Because, according to our beliefs, Hell is a place of learning about God. However, there's the Lake of Fire/The Pit. This is where those who blasphemed against God go, and those who will not accept Jesus as their savior, even after meeting God/learning about him. This is where those who try to harm the church and don't repent go. So, (correct me if I'm wrong) you said you were apart of one of the "split factions" of the LDS church? May I ask how yours is different from "mainstream" Mormons? A lot of what you've been explaining sounds extremely similar to what I've been taught.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 0:10:04 GMT -5
Are there different levels of outer darkness too? Well, actually, I guess I should explain about that. According to our beliefs, Hell is temporary. You see, we believe that there will be something called the Thousand Year Reign where Satan is bound, for, you guessed it, 1000 years. Then, the people who followed God during their time on Earth and who truly believed and glorified him are resurrected. This is when the city of Zion will come back down, and the immortals and mortals will live together. This is the first ressurection. But later, Satan will be Unbound again, and the people in Hell will get another chance to use what they have learned in Hell to live for Christ again. Because, according to our beliefs, Hell is a place of learning about God. However, there's the Lake of Fire/The Pit. This is where those who blasphemed against God go, and those who will not accept Jesus as their savior, even after meeting God/learning about him. This is where those who try to harm the church and don't repent go. Wow, I really like that temporary viewpoint. I always wondered if Hell was temporary for all religions - kind of like serving jail time, and then you have the option to repent or something. Or maybe God would just forgive you. I don't know, obviously, but I like to think that sometimes.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 13, 2016 0:10:23 GMT -5
Here's another interesting thing: Are Satan and Lucifer the same person? I've seen a lot of people claiming they aren't, though I haven't had any references from the Bible come in that I can recall. Thoughts? okay one last post yes there's really no reason to think otherwise Lucifer is just his angelic name, Satan is just a nickname like Beelzebub or Devil Such nicknames come from different languages. For instance, the hebrew "ha-Satan" was translated into greek with the word diabolos, meaning "slanderer" (which is the same root that we get the english "devil")
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 0:11:30 GMT -5
Here's another interesting thing: Are Satan and Lucifer the same person? I've seen a lot of people claiming they aren't, though I haven't had any references from the Bible come in that I can recall. Thoughts? okay one last post yes there's really no reason to think otherwise Lucifer is just his angelic name, Satan is just a nickname like Beelzebub or Devil Such nicknames come from different languages. For instance, the hebrew "ha-Satan" was translated into greek with the word diabolos, meaning "slanderer" (which is the same root that we get the english "devil") What about the name Helel? I've seen that tied into the Lucifer topic, like that was his angel name also. Or just one of them? Angels have many names, I think (??? why am i so uneducated i need to learn...)
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Post by Hawkeyes258 on Aug 13, 2016 0:12:29 GMT -5
Well this is something
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Post by Lightningdawn on Aug 13, 2016 0:13:23 GMT -5
@sandpiper- We only believe in the 3 books, the Bible, Book of Mormon, and Doctrine and Covenants. We also believe Brigham Young was wrong in splitting the saints, and we believe he was not a prophet. There is more, but I'm afraid you'll have to give me time to explain sometime when I'm not almost asleep at the keyboard.
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Post by Splintercat on Aug 13, 2016 0:14:52 GMT -5
Here's another interesting thing: Are Satan and Lucifer the same person? I've seen a lot of people claiming they aren't, though I haven't had any references from the Bible come in that I can recall. Thoughts? I'm gonna say yes. The parallels between them are too significant. This article explains it better than I can: www.gotquestions.org/Lucifer-Satan.htmlEdit: Ah, I see fool of hearts has already linked to this article. Great resource, GotQuestions is. Heavily biased against Catholicism, though, which I don't support.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 0:15:11 GMT -5
Here's another interesting thing: Are Satan and Lucifer the same person? I've seen a lot of people claiming they aren't, though I haven't had any references from the Bible come in that I can recall. Thoughts? Well yes. It's just that Lucifer didn't become Satan until he was cast into Hell. Sort of like an alter ego so to speak, kinda like a super hero or villain in this case.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 0:17:12 GMT -5
@sandpiper- We only believe in the 3 books, the Bible, Book of Mormon, and Doctrine and Covenants. We also believe Brigham Young was wrong in splitting the saints, and we believe he was not a prophet. There is more, but I'm afraid you'll have to give me time to explain sometime when I'm not almost asleep at the keyboard. Okay, I see the difference now. Thanks for explaining that. Do you also believe in the Pearl of Great Price? Or just those 3?
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Post by Splintercat on Aug 13, 2016 0:18:22 GMT -5
Welp, I'm gonna go to bed. It's been a pleasure chatting with y'all. See you tomorrow!
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Post by Lightningdawn on Aug 13, 2016 0:18:42 GMT -5
@sandpiper- We only believe in the 3 books, the Bible, Book of Mormon, and Doctrine and Covenants. We also believe Brigham Young was wrong in splitting the saints, and we believe he was not a prophet. There is more, but I'm afraid you'll have to give me time to explain sometime when I'm not almost asleep at the keyboard. Okay, I see the difference now. Thanks for explaining that. Do you also believe in the Pearl of Great Price? Or just those 3? Just those three.
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Post by Lightningdawn on Aug 13, 2016 0:19:38 GMT -5
Good night! I think I'm going to bed now too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 0:25:10 GMT -5
Welp, I'm gonna go to bed. It's been a pleasure chatting with y'all. See you tomorrow! Good-night
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Post by Cloverfrost on Aug 13, 2016 3:24:26 GMT -5
Here's another interesting thing: Are Satan and Lucifer the same person? I've seen a lot of people claiming they aren't, though I haven't had any references from the Bible come in that I can recall. Thoughts? As Shadowstalker said, I'm pretty sure they're technically the same person. However, I think they could be used in different contexts (so in that way they're slightly different). When speaking of Lucifer, the speaker could be specifically referencing his time as an angel, or his irredeemability, etc. When they reference Satan, they could be talking about his personification of evil or Satan as a concept, etc.
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