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Post by Rainshadow on Jan 27, 2018 10:21:03 GMT -5
I'm rereading Forests of Secrets and was quite confused by Fireheart's reasoning at one point.
So he's gone back and forth before about whether or not to trust Ravenpaw's story but at that point he was pretty convinced it was true (having being able to confirm how Oakheart died, the way Ravenpaw was scared etc.) and he was quite sure that Tigerclaw had something to do with Cinderpaw's accident.
But then there's a scene where he sees Tigerclaw sharing tongues with Brokentail 'as close and old friends' and this prompts him him to suddenly doubt Tigerclaw's intention all over again. He thinks that maybe Cinderpaw's accident was just an accident, he doubts Ravenpaw again and actually thinks that perhaps Tigerclaw is just a good, loyal, determined warrior.
And I don't get it?? Why does this scene prompt him to think so? If I had witnessed it, I'd be double suspicious and start thinking that perhaps Tigerclaw had some dark dealings or something with Brokentail. I'd find it odd, which he does, but not in a good way.
Does anyone get his reasoning because to me it makes no sense whatsoever.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Jan 27, 2018 10:37:45 GMT -5
I definitely get what you're saying. This always confused me as well.
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Post by Mayflower on Jan 27, 2018 10:55:40 GMT -5
I think it's because Firestar is a little naive in some ways, and I guess he just couldn't reconcile that anyone is just plain bad, to some degree like Tigerstar was. In The Darkest Hour, didn't he want to wail aloud at Tigerstar's death, as well as when Tigerstar was exiled? He even felt some regret that the moment came down to that. He really, really wanted Tigerstar to be a good guy, and he could see that if Tigerstar had been patient and channeled his ambition better, he could've been a great leader later, so he was torn. He always thought Tigerstar was a strong warrior, and that ThunderClan was safe with Tigerstar in it (safe from outside forces that is, like when WindClan and ShadowClan attacked, and the rogues that first time with Brokenstar). Heck, Firestar even continued to try to see the good in Onestar, who turned into a total douchebag and accused ThunderClan all the time/attacked them for no reason (including in the middle of the night)/started a four-Clan war in Eclipse/hated them just for breathing at some points. Imo, his heart is a bit too good, which is a flaw in my eyes. I don't think he sees anyone as pure bad, except maybe Brokenstar, but by that scene, he mostly viewed Brokenstar as pathetic. Even with his face-down with Tigerstar later in The Last Hope, he seemed to finally see Tigerstar's true colors lol Firestar is a huge sap and...not that bright in some regards, even if he's got a good heart.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 11:16:28 GMT -5
Yeah either it was just too difficult for Firestar to accept that a murder was in their midst, or the authors were trying to make Bluestarโs disbelief more reasonable by having Firestar have the same reservations. In fact if Iโm not mistaken right after that scene with Tigerstar and Brokenstar was when Firestar revealed to Bluestar his suspicions, and Bluestar rejected them.
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Post by Rainshadow on Jan 27, 2018 12:32:07 GMT -5
He is naive, that's true, but considering everything he knows at that point, and the fact that he mentions several times that he knows Tigerclaw hates him, that Tigerclaw had not helped him during the fight against RiverClan and ShadowClan (at the end of Fire and Ice), it seems like a very strange change of mind. And during the Wind/Shadow attack he is relieved Tigerclaw is there but he's reluctant to admit it. (then again Tigerclaw had tried to drown him only a few days before. Right after he has that change of mind even.) On the other hand I do think he isn't naturally inclined to be suspicious of events since the thought that Cinderpaw's accident was a trap hadn't even occurred to him. Princess is the one who points that out. That he defends Onestar makes more sense to me since they were friends before but Tigerclaw has been his enemy since almost day one, so to speak. Yeah either it was just too difficult for Firestar to accept that a murder was in their midst, or the authors were trying to make Bluestarโs disbelief more reasonable by having Firestar have the same reservations. In fact if Iโm not mistaken right after that scene with Tigerstar and Brokenstar was when Firestar revealed to Bluestar his suspicions, and Bluestar rejected them. That happens earlier. Right after he returns from RiverClan he tells Bluestar his suspicions (for a second time) and she's actually willing to listen. Until he mentions Mistyfoot and Stonefur at which point she completely rejects him and angrily tells him to leave. (She says he shouldn't listen to RiverClan gossip). I mean I can understand making him doubt his conclusions. He had done that a couple of times before then. But this just seemed like an odd way to go about it since the reasoning just makes little to no sense considering what he knows and what has happened before.
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