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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 14:40:39 GMT -5
A lot of people were mad that she left TC for ShadowClan but I am personally fine with it and I don't think it's out of character for her to leave her clan for Tigerheart. Dovewing was never truly happy in TC. People have used the excuse "She's done everything for them!" but what they don't seem to realize is that she was pressured to do stuff for her clan. She didn't want to be part of the prophecy. She didn't want to accept that she was the One. But Jayfeather forced her to accept it. I've also seen people mad at Dovewing for pressuring Tigerheart to choosing his clan over her but I don't think that's out of character either. She's done this before with Ivypool, desperate to make her spy for the clans in the Dark Forest (I know Ivypool didn't really have a choice whether she wanted to or not, but Dovewing still tried to pressure her into it). But when Tigerheart found Dovewing, she apologized and knew that her behavior was wrong. I also think that she was in a lot of stress and maybe that's why she acted the way she did with him. Though I do believe that it was rather foolish of her to go on the journey unprotected. I can understand why fans are angry with her for this, for putting herself into danger without support from someone she trusted. I think I understand why Dovewing didn't feel safe in the clans though. Darktail nearly destroyed three clans (ShadowClan, Riverclan, and SkyClan) so it's understandable why Dovewing didn't think that her kits shouldn't be in the clans. Also she didn't want to return to the clans because I think she's afraid of being judged and possibly punished/exiled for having a forbidden relationship with Tigerheart. This may have been rather cowardly of her to leave her family for her own selfish reasons because she was afraid of how the clans would react but it's probably better than lying to the kits like what Leafpool and Bluestar did. I don't think it's out of character that she left ShadowClan. Dovewing thought of going to ShadowClan at one point but only stayed because of the prophecy and for Ivypool. Since the prophecy was over it was Dovewing's chance to try to bond with her sister again. They were starting to become close until she started seeing Tigerheart. I'm pretty certain that Ivypool was the only reason why she stayed in TC at all. And the fact that she spent a lot of time with Tigerheart probably made her realize that she still loved him. Bumblestripe was being a creep in SS and it's probably what drove her away. Ivypool was also being very cold to her and not even bothering to explain why she's rejecting her sister. If Ivypool simply told Dovewing that the relationship was unhealthy and Dovewing will face the consequences then I probably would have understood why she stopped talking to her. But Ivypool never talked to Dovewing. She didn't even let Tigerheart explain why he wanted Dovewing to talk to her. I understand why Ivypool doesn't like Tigerheart. Tigerheart isn't good for Dovewing. He used Dovewing's trust in him to get what he wanted and he was also very cold & bitter when she chose her clan over him. Tigerheart also let Dovewing leave the clan without support and gave up the moment things became too hard for him to continue to find her. But Ivypool isn't being reasonable with either of them. Whether the situation was right or not, she still hurt Dovewing by rejecting her. I've also seen people say that Ivypool should disown her but even though Ivypool is angry with her I don't think I can see this in her character. Ivypool needs to be reasonable. She should have told Dovewing and talked to her. She hurt her feelings by rejecting her. She never explained her relationship with Tigerheart and never tried to understand Tigerheart's situation. She just stopped talking to her. It's natural Dovewing would be hurt. There is also a situation when Finpaw leaves SkyClan for Twigpaw, yet no one is mad at him. Dovewing leaving for ShadowClan isn't any different. Finpaw left so he can be happy with Twigpaw. Dovewing left so she can be happy with Tigerheart. If Ivypool can be happy, why can't Dovewing? Like fans say: She's done everything for her Clan. So let her be happy, don't bash her and let her be with Tigerheart.
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Dec 5, 2017 16:52:07 GMT -5
It's just dumb to me she didn't mature on her own to the point where she can realize she's better off alone and without tigerheart, and that her relationship with tigerheart wasn't solid or healthy to begin with and that she's better off improving herself in her own clan where her sister lives, and she's supposed to be super close and loyal to ivypool, and thus leaving the only cat who cared enough about her to tell her how bad her being with tigerheart is, makes dovewing stupid and the worst character ever written, and she is out of character now.
all my rambling because i despise dovewing, tigerheart, and dovextiger and all it represents. mostly because MOST OF THE FANDOM DIDNT ASK FOR DOVEXTIGER.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 17:48:33 GMT -5
It's just dumb to me she didn't mature on her own to the point where she can realize she's better off alone and without tigerheart, and that her relationship with tigerheart wasn't solid or healthy to begin with and that she's better off improving herself in her own clan where her sister lives, and she's supposed to be super close and loyal to ivypool, and thus leaving the only cat who cared enough about her to tell her how bad her being with tigerheart is, makes dovewing stupid and the worst character ever written, and she is out of character now. all my rambling because i despise dovewing, tigerheart, and dovextiger and all it represents. mostly because MOST OF THE FANDOM DIDNT ASK FOR DOVEXTIGER. I'm sure there's worse characters out there, like Spottedleaf.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 5, 2017 19:47:32 GMT -5
The problem is that Spottedleaf actually backed off when Firestar talked to her and made it clear he's moved on from her. Spottedleaf understood this, even if her feelings for him didn't change. But Dovewing, never realized how she's better off without Tiger, even WHEN soemone kept pointing it out to her. She just kept ignoring the warnings, so that's why no one thinks it's out of character for her to leave TC. Just that she was better off without Tiger, and the way the Erins executed the whole thing, it was ridiculous. I've noticed the fandom is more accepting of a pairing like Fern x Ivy, despite all the hate it's getting, than a more long term relationship like Dove x Tiger.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 20:52:30 GMT -5
The problem is that Spottedleaf actually backed off when Firestar talked to her and made it clear he's moved on from her. Spottedleaf understood this, even if her feelings for him didn't change. But Dovewing, never realized how she's better off without Tiger, even WHEN soemone kept pointing it out to her. She just kept ignoring the warnings, so that's why no one thinks it's out of character for her to leave TC. Just that she was better off without Tiger, and the way the Erins executed the whole thing, it was ridiculous. I've noticed the fandom is more accepting of a pairing like Fern x Ivy, despite all the hate it's getting, than a more long term relationship like Dove x Tiger. I suppose you're right, but Spottedleaf still dealt with her obsession in such an unhealthy way, like watching Firestar 24/7, calling him "my love". I know Sandstorm was gone, but it's still wrong to say that while he was in a relationship with Sandstorm, and Spottedleaf knew this very well. Dovewing tried to move on; Spottedleaf didn't. Who kept telling Dovewing that she's better off with Tigerheart? Anyway, I'm annoyed as much as the other fans that the Erins forced Tiger x Dove upon us, but I don't think Spottedleaf is any better. I feel like Dovewing is one of the few cats who actually solved the problem with a forbidden couple by actually moving to ShadowClan, which is smart imo, whereas the others lie to their Clan and the kits about the father. I think Dovewing is going to be a good mother, I just hope no one will take it out on the kits like how Frecklewish did it when Mapleshade's own lie was revealed.
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Post by Apricity on Dec 5, 2017 21:24:36 GMT -5
The problem is that Spottedleaf actually backed off when Firestar talked to her and made it clear he's moved on from her. Spottedleaf understood this, even if her feelings for him didn't change. But Dovewing, never realized how she's better off without Tiger, even WHEN soemone kept pointing it out to her. She just kept ignoring the warnings, so that's why no one thinks it's out of character for her to leave TC. Just that she was better off without Tiger, and the way the Erins executed the whole thing, it was ridiculous. I've noticed the fandom is more accepting of a pairing like Fern x Ivy, despite all the hate it's getting, than a more long term relationship like Dove x Tiger. I suppose you're right, but Spottedleaf still dealt with her obsession in such an unhealthy way, like watching Firestar 24/7, calling him "my love". I know Sandstorm was gone, but it's still wrong to say that while he was in a relationship with Sandstorm, and Spottedleaf knew this very well. Dovewing tried to move on; Spottedleaf didn't. Who kept telling Dovewing that she's better off with Tigerheart? Anyway, I'm annoyed as much as the other fans that the Erins forced Tiger x Dove upon us, but I don't think Spottedleaf is any better. I feel like Dovewing is one of the few cats who actually solved the problem with a forbidden couple by actually moving to ShadowClan, which is smart imo, whereas the others lie to their Clan and the kits about the father. I think Dovewing is going to be a good mother, I just hope no one will take it out on the kits like how Frecklewish did it when Mapleshade's own lie was revealed. I don't agree with comparing characters. Each one handles things differently because they are each their own cat. Maybe Dovewing was stronger mentally to try to move on. And as for Dovewing moving to ShadowClan. I actually wish that I could be happy for her. But with how she decided was so stale and dull with no hesitation at all. If she was more emotional and worried about the consequences of her decision, then I could really feel for her and understand her choice. And she didn't feel like OotS Dovewing throughout all of TS. Because this Dovewing didn't show much of her thoughts at all. If TS was the only book I read of Dovewing, I don't think I would have liked her at all, because she was so bland.
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Post by Pixie on Dec 5, 2017 21:30:54 GMT -5
I'm one of the few people who actually like TigerxDove. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by Apricity on Dec 5, 2017 21:39:29 GMT -5
I'm one of the few people who actually like TigerxDove. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I used to. But I guess I've grown a bit tired of it.
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Dec 5, 2017 23:18:39 GMT -5
I don't think Dovewing grew up at all. If she had, she would have realized how bad her relationship with Tigerheart is and she would have been mature enough to break it off, try HARDER to move on and find happiness being SINGLE so she can improve herself. if she's not happy in thunderclan, then she should stop being googoo about tigerheart and improve herself as an individual...but she never did that, seeing how much the erins shoved dovextiger in our faces when tigerheart was with thunderclan for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 23:37:23 GMT -5
I don't understand how Dovewing and Tigerheart are immature for being in love. Being in a relationship doesn't make you immature, even if the relationship has problems. If that is the case, them every relationship in this series is immature because they all have their fair share of drama and problems. There are very few perfect relationships out there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 23:50:47 GMT -5
I don't understand how Dovewing and Tigerheart are immature for being in love. Being in a relationship doesn't make you immature, even if the relationship has problems. If that is the case, them every relationship in this series is immature because they all have their fair share of drama and problems. There are very few perfect relationships out there. I think it's the way how they just fooled around back in OotS. Tigerheart was childish and played with Dovewing. They both didn't really take the relationship seriously until now. To Tigerheart, at least back then, she was just a stress ball to get away from the Dark Forest. Dovewing thought of it as a more serious thing since she wanted a family but he wasn't ready. Plus, Dove x Tiger isn't needed. I don't hate it but I don't care for it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 0:29:33 GMT -5
I don't understand how Dovewing and Tigerheart are immature for being in love. Being in a relationship doesn't make you immature, even if the relationship has problems. If that is the case, them every relationship in this series is immature because they all have their fair share of drama and problems. There are very few perfect relationships out there. I think it's the way how they just fooled around back in OotS. Tigerheart was childish and played with Dovewing. They both didn't really take the relationship seriously until now. To Tigerheart, at least back then, she was just a stress ball to get away from the Dark Forest. Dovewing thought of it as a more serious thing since she wanted a family but he wasn't ready. Plus, Dove x Tiger isn't needed. I don't hate it but I don't care for it. Yeah, but they were basically the equivalent of teens back then. Most teens aren't that serious when it comes to relationships or life. They haven't lived long enough to know what they want. So it makes sense that they weren't all that serious back then. They are much older now and have grown past that.
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Post by Basement Cat on Dec 6, 2017 1:06:27 GMT -5
For me, it is the writing. Truthfully, forbidden love doesn't bother me, if it is written well. But making things overly dramatized and cliche for the sake of drama is getting tiresome. Sometimes the best writing is subtly stated and never made notice of at all.
Dovewing in Tigerheart's Shadow did not have that. She left without us seeing why, the plot was geared towards trying to make one character seem good instead of giving these characters closure and development. It doesn't really coincide well with what we knew about Dovewing to begin with. It's derailment of her character back to a more simplified state, and rewriting over to make a brand new story on top of a story to begin with. That's really messy and causes confusion to readers.
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Post by Holly Snow on Dec 6, 2017 1:11:00 GMT -5
I don't understand how Dovewing and Tigerheart are immature for being in love. Being in a relationship doesn't make you immature, even if the relationship has problems. If that is the case, them every relationship in this series is immature because they all have their fair share of drama and problems. There are very few perfect relationships out there. well tigerheart regressed and porked dovewing. something he didn't do when he was 21 in oots for good reason. Dovewing wanted to pork and have a family with Tigerheart despite he consequences being obvious. I guess he just couldn't say no to this anymore.
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My full names are Hollyleaf;) and Snowwing™
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Post by Holly Snow on Dec 6, 2017 1:16:57 GMT -5
I don't understand how Dovewing and Tigerheart are immature for being in love. Being in a relationship doesn't make you immature, even if the relationship has problems. If that is the case, them every relationship in this series is immature because they all have their fair share of drama and problems. There are very few perfect relationships out there. I think it's the way how they just fooled around back in OotS. Tigerheart was childish and played with Dovewing. They both didn't really take the relationship seriously until now. To Tigerheart, at least back then, she was just a stress ball to get away from the Dark Forest. Dovewing thought of it as a more serious thing since she wanted a family but he wasn't ready. Plus, Dove x Tiger isn't needed. I don't hate it but I don't care for it. can you blame him? they lived in different clans and immigration meant leaving a life behind. A family was not a good idea. Their children would be discriminated against and so would they. And adult couples do play with one another from time to time. If anything Dovewing was the one not taking the relationship seriously for failing to realize the fundamental problems children would bring untill after she was pregnant. But of course tigerheart eventually gave in and porked. -_-
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Dec 6, 2017 1:19:10 GMT -5
I think it's the way how they just fooled around back in OotS. Tigerheart was childish and played with Dovewing. They both didn't really take the relationship seriously until now. To Tigerheart, at least back then, she was just a stress ball to get away from the Dark Forest. Dovewing thought of it as a more serious thing since she wanted a family but he wasn't ready. Plus, Dove x Tiger isn't needed. I don't hate it but I don't care for it. Yeah, but they were basically the equivalent of teens back then. Most teens aren't that serious when it comes to relationships or life. They haven't lived long enough to know what they want. So it makes sense that they weren't all that serious back then. They are much older now and have grown past that. graystripe and silverstream were the equivalent of teens too and yet they were serious (as much as i hate grayxsilver, i can admit this of them at least). scarlet is right. tigerheart used her as a stress relief ball. if dovewing realized he didnt take it serious, that should have been all she needed to drop her stupid feelings for him. to me, dovextiger had no grounds to start meeting after the beaver journey in the first place. tigerheart magically wanting to see her after the journey was weird and out of place, and now look where we are. the erins reduced dovewing to an immature adult who didn't move on despite the relationship failing multiple times, especially since tigerheart got in dovewings business so much once he was in thunderclan camp, which made her attempts to be a single cat all for nothing. so many people agree that dovewing is better off single since she has nothing by herself as an individual (even without the strong bond with ivypool, dovewing is bland on her own and seemingly has no real friends).
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Post by Jaysnow on Dec 6, 2017 1:19:26 GMT -5
I think it's the way how they just fooled around back in OotS. Tigerheart was childish and played with Dovewing. They both didn't really take the relationship seriously until now. To Tigerheart, at least back then, she was just a stress ball to get away from the Dark Forest. Dovewing thought of it as a more serious thing since she wanted a family but he wasn't ready. Plus, Dove x Tiger isn't needed. I don't hate it but I don't care for it. can you blame him? they lived in different clans and immigration meant leaving a life behind. A family was not a good idea. Their children would be discriminated against and so would they. And adult couples do play with one another from time to time. If anything Dovewing was the one not taking the relationship seriously for failing to realize the fundamental problems children would bring untill after she was pregnant. But of course tigerheart eventually gave in and porked. -_- -__- is my face when you use the word "porked"
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Dec 6, 2017 1:21:14 GMT -5
can you blame him? they lived in different clans and immigration meant leaving a life behind. A family was not a good idea. Their children would be discriminated against and so would they. And adult couples do play with one another from time to time. If anything Dovewing was the one not taking the relationship seriously for failing to realize the fundamental problems children would bring untill after she was pregnant. But of course tigerheart eventually gave in and porked. -_- -__- is my face when you use the word "porked" eh. using the word "mated" is simpler, but i dont mind snowwing's funny word choice lol
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Post by Basement Cat on Dec 6, 2017 2:17:41 GMT -5
What's wrong with liking pork? I mean sure, I don't, but everyone has their preferences...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 12:12:43 GMT -5
I suppose you're right, but Spottedleaf still dealt with her obsession in such an unhealthy way, like watching Firestar 24/7, calling him "my love". I know Sandstorm was gone, but it's still wrong to say that while he was in a relationship with Sandstorm, and Spottedleaf knew this very well. Dovewing tried to move on; Spottedleaf didn't. Who kept telling Dovewing that she's better off with Tigerheart? Anyway, I'm annoyed as much as the other fans that the Erins forced Tiger x Dove upon us, but I don't think Spottedleaf is any better. I feel like Dovewing is one of the few cats who actually solved the problem with a forbidden couple by actually moving to ShadowClan, which is smart imo, whereas the others lie to their Clan and the kits about the father. I think Dovewing is going to be a good mother, I just hope no one will take it out on the kits like how Frecklewish did it when Mapleshade's own lie was revealed. I don't agree with comparing characters. Each one handles things differently because they are each their own cat. Maybe Dovewing was stronger mentally to try to move on. And as for Dovewing moving to ShadowClan. I actually wish that I could be happy for her. But with how she decided was so stale and dull with no hesitation at all. If she was more emotional and worried about the consequences of her decision, then I could really feel for her and understand her choice. And she didn't feel like OotS Dovewing throughout all of TS. Because this Dovewing didn't show much of her thoughts at all. If TS was the only book I read of Dovewing, I don't think I would have liked her at all, because she was so bland. That's just bad writing. Dovewing hesitated before in OotS. And she did think about staying in TC to raise her kits along with Ivypool's, so that must mean something. Keep in mind we didn't get a PoV of her in TS, nor did we see much of her until after she gave birth to the kits when Tigerheart found her again. I think you're being a little unfair to her. She probably thought about this a lot when she got the dream; maybe she didn't. Either way, gotta admit, the writing in TS was terrible, whether I didn't mind Dovewing leaving or not. Like I've said before, cats change. She's what, 4 years old now? We haven't had a PoV in ages from her since SS, and even then that was barely anything. She is bland but so are all of the other characters in OotS. She is simply a poorly written character but she's not a bad cat at heart. My bad for replying twice, on the other post I was on mobile but I wanted to write a better defense for her.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 6, 2017 16:07:27 GMT -5
The problem is that Spottedleaf actually backed off when Firestar talked to her and made it clear he's moved on from her. Spottedleaf understood this, even if her feelings for him didn't change. But Dovewing, never realized how she's better off without Tiger, even WHEN soemone kept pointing it out to her. She just kept ignoring the warnings, so that's why no one thinks it's out of character for her to leave TC. Just that she was better off without Tiger, and the way the Erins executed the whole thing, it was ridiculous. I've noticed the fandom is more accepting of a pairing like Fern x Ivy, despite all the hate it's getting, than a more long term relationship like Dove x Tiger. I suppose you're right, but Spottedleaf still dealt with her obsession in such an unhealthy way, like watching Firestar 24/7, calling him "my love". I know Sandstorm was gone, but it's still wrong to say that while he was in a relationship with Sandstorm, and Spottedleaf knew this very well. Dovewing tried to move on; Spottedleaf didn't. Who kept telling Dovewing that she's better off with Tigerheart? Anyway, I'm annoyed as much as the other fans that the Erins forced Tiger x Dove upon us, but I don't think Spottedleaf is any better. I feel like Dovewing is one of the few cats who actually solved the problem with a forbidden couple by actually moving to ShadowClan, which is smart imo, whereas the others lie to their Clan and the kits about the father. I think Dovewing is going to be a good mother, I just hope no one will take it out on the kits like how Frecklewish did it when Mapleshade's own lie was revealed. Spottedleaf didn't have to move on. She stopped acting on her feelings. Everyone praised Cinderpelt for doing the same thing. No matter how much we hated the idea of Spotted x Fire, it was still mutually canon-ish, even if they didn't become mates. Their feelings were mutual at one point. Spottedleaf eventually did stand by and respected Sand and Fire's relationship, instead of becoming bitter about it like Mapleshade pointed out. Yes she had moments of jealousy but she never actually tried to come between Sand and Fire with malicious intent. Everything she did was because she cared about Firestar, and when he told her that there was no need anymore, he had someone else, she respected his choice. She was still in love with him, calling him "my love" wasn't ooc of her, it's not like they're mates, and it's not like Fire would suddenly throw away Sand just to be with her. Dovewing on the other hand was still alive, still had several more points where someone told her to stop seeing another cat, but she didn't listen. Fire talked to Spotted and they stopped seeing one another so much. But Dovewing never took Ivy's advise and still ended up falling in a relationship with Tiger again, which eventually led to her abandoning her family and clan for him. Imo, I think Spotted and Fire worked out better than the constant unwanted on and off relationship between Dove and Tiger. Also imo Dove is still on the fence for me as a "good mother" considering she put them in danger before they were even born already, but I do see where you're coming from. Those kits are an innocent slate, and I don't like the idea of cats in ShadowClan or even ThunderClan possibly taking their frustrations out on them.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 6, 2017 16:16:02 GMT -5
Yeah, but they were basically the equivalent of teens back then. Most teens aren't that serious when it comes to relationships or life. They haven't lived long enough to know what they want. So it makes sense that they weren't all that serious back then. They are much older now and have grown past that. graystripe and silverstream were the equivalent of teens too and yet they were serious (as much as i hate grayxsilver, i can admit this of them at least). scarlet is right. tigerheart used her as a stress relief ball. if dovewing realized he didnt take it serious, that should have been all she needed to drop her stupid feelings for him. to me, dovextiger had no grounds to start meeting after the beaver journey in the first place. tigerheart magically wanting to see her after the journey was weird and out of place, and now look where we are. the erins reduced dovewing to an immature adult who didn't move on despite the relationship failing multiple times, especially since tigerheart got in dovewings business so much once he was in thunderclan camp, which made her attempts to be a single cat all for nothing. so many people agree that dovewing is better off single since she has nothing by herself as an individual (even without the strong bond with ivypool, dovewing is bland on her own and seemingly has no real friends). Gray and Silver made it obvious they were in it for the long run. They didn't break it off when others wanted them to stop seeing each other, they were happy to have kits, and they said it would tie them together for ever, etc. There was even implications they would be willing to move to one another's clan just to raise a family together. The only issue was that Silver died before that could even get further in. And even now, as of the Last Hope, Gray and Silver still apparently have strong feelings for one another. They never had an on and off relationship like the one Dove and Tiger had. I think there were already enough tie breakers for Dove and Tiger even if you don't take into account that their relationship was forbidden. Dove was carelessly telling Tiger information, Tiger used that information to his advantage to get leverage against TC for herbs, not to mention also holding her sister captive. He did take their relationship in a playful manner, and by that, non serious. Dove was gung ho about their relationship, ready to have kits, move clans, etc. But Tiger would avoid that topic in favor of playing around, and didn't even take the idea of her powers seriously. That why she broke up with him near the last book, because she realized she didn't have time for someone one so immature. But only when she did this and saw her shack up with Bumble did he suddenly want to be with her and take their relationship seriously, meanwhile Dove uses Bumble as a rebound, yikes. Can't imagine how he'll react to all of this when they find out she's in ShadowClan with him.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Dec 8, 2017 2:43:20 GMT -5
I can understand why Dovewing left for ShadowClan. For one, she loved Tigerheart, and there was also her kits to keep in mind. Their time together in TS helped her make that decision.
Leafpool herself had been in a forbidden relationship not too long ago, and look how that turned out. Cats had already suspected Dovewing's relationship with Tigerheart, and she probably didn't want her kits to go through what Jayfeather and Lionblaze had experienced. Bramblestar isn't Firestar, and it's possible he wouldn't have been as tolerant towards Dovewing as Firestar was towards Leafpool, or Bluestar and Crookedstar/Leopardstar with Graystripe, although I doubt he would've been as harsh as Oakstar was.
Another thing is that Dovewing had alot less to lose than, say, someone like Leafpool did. Dovewing was well-liked in the Clan, but she never had any actual friends besides Ivypool and Bumblestripe. The former was proving to be a very successful warrior, what with having trained two apprentices, was considered a hero to the Clans, had a bright future with Fernsong, and—if Kate gets her way—she'll be leader one day.
Meanwhile, Bumblestripe has been padding after Dovewing even long after they broke up to the point where it's pretty creepy.
As for Jayfeather and Lionblaze, they were more like partners to her at best, and the Three never seemed that close compared to when Hollyleaf was still around. Dovewing, in a sense, was Hollyleaf's replacement. Not that she was like Hollyleaf in any way, but more in a way that she was there to fill the void that Hollyleaf had left behind. But she couldn't. It also doesn't help that the whole reason she was given a power in the first place was because Vicky couldn't think of one for Hollyleaf.
Tigerheart gave Dovewing an opportunity where she could just be herself, and it's easy to see why she liked him. He was a warrior, but still fun and playful and doesn't have any high expectations of her like Jayfeather and Lionblaze did. And like Kate said, he's also everything she wants to be: a loyal, kind-hearted, well-meaning warrior and wanting to do her best for the Clan and trying really hard too.
And while this clearly never came to pass, Kate had also previously said she thinks that Dovewing secretly dreams of being a kittypet because they have such a carefree lifestyle. This is also supported by TS with how reluctant she was to return to the Clans. Unlike the Clans, where fighting was an everyday thing, the Guardian Cats didn't have much to worry about until Fog and her gang began to cause trouble for them. And even then, she and Tigerheart have arguments about where the kits will go when they get back to the Clans, and Dovewing actually is shown a few times on whether to listen to her head or listen to her heart.
Doves are also symbols of peace, and even the prophecy Yellowfang delivered mentions that Dovewing will help bring peace to the Clans:
Dovewing has always been a gentle character for the most part. She's never been much of a fighter and never seemed to understand the concept of borders until TLH, when she broke up with Tigerheart the second time.
Prior to this, Dovewing never thought of the consequences about meeting with Tigerheart at all, even back in FE when they hadn't gotten together yet. She was just happy about still having a friend.
I think it's also worth noting that Tigerheart was the only cat who Dovewing still had any sort of connection with after the journey to find the beavers was over. She tried to maintain her friendship with Sedgewhisker, but the latter made it clear that they were in different Clans now.
Even when she realized this towards the end of TFA, it still hurt to realize that the friends she had made on the journey were from different Clans.
In a way, this sort of reminds me of Firestar after bringing WindClan back, or Squirrelflight after the Great Journey. Both cats still have fond memories of their time with cats from other Clans and even maintained the friendships they made for a long time. Dovewing probably heard these stories as a kit and would've likely also witnessed Tawnypelt being friendly towards Squirrelflight and Bramblestar at Gatherings or something, and she probably thought the same would happen with her.
Of course, it didn't.
Everyone but Tigerheart went their separate ways, and I've also noticed that very rarely has their time together been brought up. Even the Great Journey or the journey to find Midnight gets mentioned on occasion (and actually did recently in SS), but you don't really see this too much with the mission to bring water back to the Clans.
The Clan has had high expectations of Dovewing since she was young: she was forced to grow up early, she had powers that took her a long time to understand and accept and lost those same powers twice, and even experienced cats die since she was an apprentice. And, in a turn of events, Ivypool was the popular one now, and Dovewing was the one being left behind. All of this must've been too much for her until it came to a point where she felt like she needed to get away from it all.
To Dovewing, Tigerheart understood her, and one of the reasons she went with him and Molewhisker to find Twigpaw was to spend time with him (and also to get away from Bumblestripe).
However, the possible stress wasn't why Dovewing left, although one could argue that was part of it. It was because of her nightmares she was having, as well as because of the mess Darktail and his Kin had left behind. And even then, at some point in TS, it's implied that StarClan was actually giving these visions to Shadowkit when he wasn't even born yet.
I really don't mind Dovewing going to ShadowClan. She'll probably be much happier than she ever was in ThunderClan, and I don't blame her leaving the Clans altogether either. Honestly, my only complaint regarding the entire thing was that I felt it could've been written better.
But yeah, those are just my own two cents on the situation. At the end of the day though, I'm just glad the pointless drama that is TigerxDove is finally over.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 15:51:41 GMT -5
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Post by ¥~THISTLEFROST~¥ on Sept 29, 2021 11:09:54 GMT -5
@deleted" bruh people hate dovewing cause she kept mooning over tigerheart and plus she broke the warrior code most of us hate these type of relationships I can only name a few good ones like silverxgray bluexoak people want ivypool happy because at least she a mate in the same clan as her unlike dovewing who once again broke the warrior code so it’s dovewings fault she is getting treated the way she is I would do the same thing ivypool did disown her
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Post by ¥~THISTLEFROST~¥ on Sept 29, 2021 11:12:48 GMT -5
"@deleted" it was a forbidden relationship I’m glad she is suffering she brought this on her own
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StarClan leader
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Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Sept 29, 2021 11:13:05 GMT -5
@deleted" bruh people hate dovewing cause she kept mooning over tigerheart and plus she broke the warrior code most of us hate these type of relationships I can only name a few good ones like silverxgray bluexoak people want ivypool happy because at least she a mate in the same clan as her unlike dovewing who once again broke the warrior code so it’s dovewings fault she is getting treated the way she is I would do the same thing ivypool did disown her Please do not nercopost, ¥~THISTLEFROST~¥ . This thread is way over it's month limit. Sand 🎃, What is happening to your plug-in?
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Post by Aqua on Sept 29, 2021 11:26:06 GMT -5
"@deleted" it was a forbidden relationship I’m glad she is suffering she brought this on her own WTF is wrong with you? You want a cat to suffer just because she made mistakes? Anyway, stop necroposting please.
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