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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 10, 2016 19:55:55 GMT -5
According to Vicky, SkyClan left the forest 20 years before Bluestar was born. And thanks to recent information, MV takes place 9 years before GC, and PC takes place 3 years after Mapleshade's death.
So, this got me thinking... exactly how long has it been between SkyClan leaving the forest and Mapleshade's time?
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Aug 10, 2016 20:23:34 GMT -5
The issue with finding out is that she stated Darkstar from MV and COTC are the same. Considering Oakstar's successor was Doestar, then Pinestar, we can't really know for sure because Vicky's little statement messes up the timeline immensely due to the long list of leaders and deputies for RiverClan. There are eight leaders for RiverClan and that would certainly bring up some gossip is all of them died in that time. Plus I don't think Mapleshade is so ancient that not only is the code incomplete, but she's about three generations since DOTC. So I don't think we can figure it out unless someone has Vicky retract her statement.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 10, 2016 20:27:49 GMT -5
The issue with finding out is that she stated Darkstar from MV and COTC are the same. Considering Oakstar's successor was Doestar, then Pinestar, we can't really know for sure because Vicky's little statement messes up the timeline immensely due to the long list of leaders and deputies for RiverClan. There are eight leaders for RiverClan and that would certainly bring up some gossip is all of them died in that time. Plus I don't think Mapleshade is so ancient that not only is the code incomplete, but she's about three generations since DOTC. So I don't think we can figure it out unless someone has Vicky retract her statement. I've actually provided Vicky with tons of evidence as to why her statement can't be true, but she hasn't confirmed it yet. And Mapleshade actually references Code 12 after she finds out that Frecklewish didn't do anything to help the kits.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 14:51:57 GMT -5
Well... IF all of Vicky's statements somehow make sense, then this is the timeline we have so far:
SkyClan leaves the forest (20 years before Bluestar's birth) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mapleshade's Vengeance (About 6 moons long)
Mapleshade is expecting kits
She has her kits
Her kits die at 2 moons
Mapleshade lives a rogue and goes on a rampage
Mapleshade is killed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (3 year gap) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pinestar's Choice (Unknown years) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (Missing Timeline- Sometime under 9 years?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goosefeather's Curse (About 1 year long)
Goosefeather and Moonkit are born
Swiftbreeze, Adderfang, and Stormtail become warriors
Sunstar and Featherwhisker are born
Several litters are born
Moonflower, Poppydawn, Heronwing, and Rabbitleap become warriors
Doestar dies and Pinestar becomes leader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (Missing Timeline- Unknown years) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bluestar is born
Please correct me if any of this information isn't right. I didn't read MV so I don't know how long she lived.
I'm doing more research right now, I'm going to find out who was born in GC after Goosefeather, Moonflower, and Poppydawn and her siblings, so we can estimate the time between GC and BP. In the wiki it says "many litters were born" but I hope they list names somewhere.
We don't have a ton of information, but I would like to find out how long it was between Goosefeather's Curse and Bluestar's Birth. That would help fill the timeline.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 11, 2016 15:06:30 GMT -5
@galantis: The several litters thing refers to thd births of Thrushpelt, Tawnyspots, and Dappletail, as well as Speckletail and One-eye.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 16:00:00 GMT -5
K, so here's what I have now:
ThunderClan's Allegiances Right after GC:
Leader: Pinestar Deputy: ? Medicine Cat: Goosefeather Warriors: Mumblefoot Rooktail Daisytoe Windflight Squirrelwhisker Littlestep Fallowsong Stormtail Adderfang Swiftbreeze Smallear Rockfall Moonflower Poppydawn Heronwing Rabbitleap Apprentices: ? Queens: Larksong Rainfur Kits: Sunkit Featherkit Tawnykit Dapplekit Specklekit Whitekit Elders: Mistpelt
All the possible deputies that could have been first under Pinestar:
Mumblefoot Rooktail Daisytoe (though I doubt it, because she was mentioned being frail at the end of GC) Squirrelwhisker Littlestep Fallowsong Rockfall Heronwing Rabbitleap
Most likely deputies (most new leaders choose a senior warrior as their first deputy) :
Mumblefoot Rooktail Squirrelwhisker Littlestep Fallowsong
????Where are these cats? :
Stonepelt Halftail (Sparrowpelt) Robinwing Fuzzypelt Weedwhisker
I would normally say that they were born between GC and BP... but Dappletail and One-eye were apprentices in BP. There is just not enough time for all those cats to be born and already be warriors o.o"
I suppose it could be not a complete allegiances, and they just weren't mentioned... maybe they were already warriors and Vicky forgot about them? They all seem like cats that would be older than Storm/Adder/ and Swift. After all, Robinwing was mentioned to already have had a litter. Maybe she and Fuzzypelt were Smallear and Rockfall's parents. Dunno.
I mean, it wouldn't be far-fetched if Stonepelt and Halftail were born RIGHT after Speckletail and One-eye- and became warriors along with Speckletail.
So my conclusions: Robinwing, Fuzzypelt, and Weedwhisker were warriors when Goosefeather was born, while Stonepelt and Halftail were born right after Speckletail and Oneeye OR all of them: Speckletail, Halftail, Robinwing, Fuzzypelt, and Weedwhisker were all warriors when Goosefeather was born.
What do you think about that?
Also, time-wise, Oneeye and Speckletail were born near the end of GC, and one was a new warrior and the other was an older apprentice. So around 1 year old.
That means that there was a 1 year time gap between GC and BP (or Bluestar's birth)
That also means that, seeing that Sunstar and Featherwhisker were almost 6 moons old near the end of GC, that means they would have been around 1 1/2 years at the start of BP. That's super young for Sunstar to be deputy- meaning if he had just become a warrior 6 moons before BP, then Pinestar's first deputy would have died/retired somewhere in the 6 moons before Bluestar was born, and Sunstar replaced him or her somewhere during that time.
1 more thing:
In the 1 year time gap between GC and BP, all these cats must have died:
Rooktail Daisytoe Squirrelwhisker Littlestep Fallowsong Rockfall Heronwing Rabbitleap Rainfur Mistpelt
... that's a lot of cats to die in a year.
Also...
How did Pinestar lose all his lives except a few in 1 year? Even if it was 1 year and 1/2 or even 2 years, that's still not very long. Maybe he started a lot of random battles because Goosefeather kept prophesying stuff?
Ok maybe this was one giant mess but, correct me if I'm wrong, the time gap wasn't just a year? I really hope it wasn't, cause that wouldn't make sense. I must be missing something.
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Post by sonnensturm1 on Aug 11, 2016 18:59:56 GMT -5
Shellhearts mom is appledusks daughter or? Is this okay with the timeline?
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Post by Mistybreeze on Aug 12, 2016 1:33:18 GMT -5
I'm actually writing a fanfic that starts at the end of GC and goes to Goosefeather's death. I decided to have the missing cats be born right after the end of GC. Squirrelwhisker had Robinwing and Sparrowpelt. Larksong will have Stonepelt and Fuzzypelt. As for Robinwing having kits, I got a little creative. We know that apprentices can't have mates or kits. Since no rule ever comes about without a tragedy to inspire it, I stuck to the theme. Robinwing and Fuzzypelt had their first litter as apprentices and the kits came early and died. That takes care of Robinwing's first litter and it creates a well known rule. As for Dappletail and One-eye, they were held back due to small size. Then Dappletail gets severely injured when One-eye gets attacked by the badger. That held them both back even longer and Dappletail refused to be made a warrior without One-eye.
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Post by Pyropelt on Aug 12, 2016 4:36:21 GMT -5
So, I have a question. If PC happens 3 years after Mapleshade dies, then why is it called Pinestar's Choice? It can't possibly move fast as to skip some of his deputyship and go to his leadership right? Or even to his life as a kittypet?
Wouldn't that not work with the timeline?
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