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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 12:18:43 GMT -5
agree with this post 100%
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Post by wadevvilson on Aug 8, 2017 15:30:29 GMT -5
Too bad that the vast majority of the mentally ill characters I've seen in media aren't portrayed respectfully/accurately at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 15:32:32 GMT -5
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tbh i'm not a huge fan of mentally ill characters as villains due to the trend that they'll be the only mentally ill character in that show/movie/book/whatever and it's v easy to then associate bad characteristics w them only but yea i get 100%
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Post by » ѕнαdσω ⚔️ on Aug 8, 2017 16:29:50 GMT -5
I'm actually writing a novel where the main character has Rettsyndrome. It's going to be dedicated to my sister who the main character is based off of. (': One of my other books has a main character who struggles with depression also. I like writing to represent reality while still involving my passion for fantasy. I don't see why authors don't include both.
Right now the series is fan-fiction which you can find in my post histories.
I have seen physical disabilities, but mental ones are scarce. It's sad.
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Post by wadevvilson on Aug 8, 2017 16:33:51 GMT -5
I like writing to represent reality while still involving my passion for fantasy. I don't see why authors don't include both. I have seen physical disabilities, but mental ones are scarce. It's sad. I think that people just don't do this because they don't like having to mention reality in their works, in addition to just not wanting to write diverse stuff. In my experience, a lot of fanfic writers are too lazy to do the research so everything's either poorly-represented or simply not there in the first place. People even screw up physical disabilities in their writing, I've found. Seems to be kind of a lose-lose situation. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 16:37:52 GMT -5
I'm actually writing a novel where the main character has Rettsyndrome. It's going to be dedicated to my sister who the main character is based off of. (': One of my other books has a main character who struggles with depression also. I like writing to represent reality while still involving my passion for fantasy. I don't see why authors don't include both. Right now the series is fan-fiction which you can find in my post histories. I have seen physical disabilities, but mental ones are scarce. It's sad. physical disabilities being properly and positively represented in fiction is rlly rlly rare too it's slightly more common i think but there's A Lot of work to do there too especially w more rare conditions. speaking as someone w a rare chronic pain condition i've only ever seen in works by other ppl who have it. which as u can assume is rlly not often |
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Post by Draco on Aug 8, 2017 16:41:43 GMT -5
I'm actually writing a novel where the main character has Rettsyndrome. It's going to be dedicated to my sister who the main character is based off of. (': One of my other books has a main character who struggles with depression also. I like writing to represent reality while still involving my passion for fantasy. I don't see why authors don't include both. Right now the series is fan-fiction which you can find in my post histories. I have seen physical disabilities, but mental ones are scarce. It's sad. h Honestly I'd love a character like me Someone with severe hypotonia |
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Post by shortstop on Aug 8, 2017 18:47:59 GMT -5
*cough* SPLIT *cough*
lol if my coping skills gave me superpowers id probably be better at them
plus every single one of the personalities was portrayed in a fearful or creepy light even if they were supposed to be non threatening.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 18:59:26 GMT -5
I mean the main characters in Ambergris (my in-development webcomic) are all autistic so... yeah Tagging wadevvilson because they seem to like my crappy ocs and want to know about them |
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 8, 2017 19:18:10 GMT -5
one of my characters has schizophreniform and anxiety. two others suffer PTSD. one of them is going to go through a short depressive bout BUT im wary of how to go about that because ive never personally struggled with it and im worried id write it wrong
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Post by wadevvilson on Aug 8, 2017 19:35:31 GMT -5
I mean the main characters in Ambergris (my in-development webcomic) are all autistic so... yeah Tagging wadevvilson because they seem to like my crappy ocs and want to know about them nyello again And I have a lot of mentally ill characters myself, not that I can always use them all because it's hard coming up with subplots sometimes. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 19:39:26 GMT -5
I mean the main characters in Ambergris (my in-development webcomic) are all autistic so... yeah Tagging wadevvilson because they seem to like my crappy ocs and want to know about them nyello again And I have a lot of mentally ill characters myself, not that I can always use them all because it's hard coming up with subplots sometimes. I don't really have any not mentally-ill characters, none that I use anyway. Also the reason the Ambergris cast is all autistic is because I'm autistic, and I want to create more well written autistic characters |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 8, 2017 19:46:15 GMT -5
I don't mind it, although it would be nice to have a commonly negatively portrayed mental illness be portrayed in a more positive light. Some of my own characters have mental illnesses of their own.
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Post by » ѕнαdσω ⚔️ on Aug 8, 2017 21:40:33 GMT -5
I like writing to represent reality while still involving my passion for fantasy. I don't see why authors don't include both. I have seen physical disabilities, but mental ones are scarce. It's sad. I think that people just don't do this because they don't like having to mention reality in their works, in addition to just not wanting to write diverse stuff. In my experience, a lot of fanfic writers are too lazy to do the research so everything's either poorly-represented or simply not there in the first place. People even screw up physical disabilities in their writing, I've found. Seems to be kind of a lose-lose situation. Yeah, I see a lot of copy cats, especially in teen fiction/fantasy. Same type of story with similar characters just different names and places. Doesn't mean I still don't read them and give them a chance, but it gets boring. I'd like to see some mainstream writers break out of the cycle and just write something braver. And as you say, writing more diverse material, especially when it comes to representing real world people who don't get any representation in today's media. I haven't come across that thankfully, but it doesn't surprise me. In the fantasy genre you can kinda get away with it since the author's world could have a different non-human character or environment that doesn't exist in our reality. But it still doesn't mean that you shouldn't do the research. |
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Post by » ѕнαdσω ⚔️ on Aug 8, 2017 21:45:15 GMT -5
I'm actually writing a novel where the main character has Rettsyndrome. It's going to be dedicated to my sister who the main character is based off of. (': One of my other books has a main character who struggles with depression also. I like writing to represent reality while still involving my passion for fantasy. I don't see why authors don't include both. Right now the series is fan-fiction which you can find in my post histories. I have seen physical disabilities, but mental ones are scarce. It's sad. physical disabilities being properly and positively represented in fiction is rlly rlly rare too it's slightly more common i think but there's A Lot of work to do there too especially w more rare conditions. speaking as someone w a rare chronic pain condition i've only ever seen in works by other ppl who have it. which as u can assume is rlly not often That is true. I can only think of two or three books where there is a crippled character. One of them: Eon by Alison Goodman, doesn't even have a 'true' cripple in my opinion since the laws of her fantasy world twist the reality of it. It's still a good read and a fairly accurate depiction of what it might be like. I mean, it does make sense. If you have the experience and firsthand knowledge, you can more easily describe it in your story, just as I am doing with my sister for my novel. It makes it a lot more real and relateable I think if you have someone writing from such a personal background. Then again, any author could do a wonderful job with a physically or mentally ill/disabled character if they just did the research and interviewed people who have experienced it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 21:46:54 GMT -5
physical disabilities being properly and positively represented in fiction is rlly rlly rare too it's slightly more common i think but there's A Lot of work to do there too especially w more rare conditions. speaking as someone w a rare chronic pain condition i've only ever seen in works by other ppl who have it. which as u can assume is rlly not often That is true. I can only think of two or three books where there is a crippled character. One of them: Eon by Alison Goodman, doesn't even have a 'true' cripple in my opinion since the laws of her fantasy world twist the reality of it. It's still a good read and a fairly accurate depiction of what it might be like. I mean, it does make sense. If you have the experience and firsthand knowledge, you can more easily describe it in your story, just as I am doing with my sister for my novel. It makes it a lot more real and relateable I think if you have someone writing from such a personal background. Then again, any author could do a wonderful job with a physically or mentally ill/disabled character if they just did the research and interviewed people who have experienced it. ok first of all far as i know ppl rlly Do Not like being called "crippled" bc of the negative connotations it carries. use "disabled" instead. |
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Post by wadevvilson on Aug 8, 2017 21:48:11 GMT -5
I think that people just don't do this because they don't like having to mention reality in their works, in addition to just not wanting to write diverse stuff. In my experience, a lot of fanfic writers are too lazy to do the research so everything's either poorly-represented or simply not there in the first place. People even screw up physical disabilities in their writing, I've found. Seems to be kind of a lose-lose situation. Yeah, I see a lot of copy cats, especially in teen fiction/fantasy. Same type of story with similar characters just different names and places. Doesn't mean I still don't read them and give them a chance, but it gets boring. I'd like to see some mainstream writers break out of the cycle and just write something braver. And as you say, writing more diverse material, especially when it comes to representing real world people who don't get any representation in today's media. I haven't come across that thankfully, but it doesn't surprise me. In the fantasy genre you can kinda get away with it since the author's world could have a different non-human character or environment that doesn't exist in our reality. But it still doesn't mean that you shouldn't do the research. Ugh, I hate cookie-cutter stories and characters so much. And yeah, that kind of thing is especially common in YA dystopian novels for some reason. And I'll have to admit that I still give them chances as well, but oftentimes I just end up disappointed. So many things could have been great, and then they just...weren't. :/ True, but I also feel like many people just slap the fantasy label on their work so they can get away with shoddy writing. Like, it says fantasy on the tin, but the worldbuilding and characters are way too similar to all the things that we have here, and it's weird and definitely makes me somewhat uncomfortable at times. And yes, research is important and I wish more people understood that. |
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Post by » ѕнαdσω ⚔️ on Aug 8, 2017 21:49:15 GMT -5
I'm actually writing a novel where the main character has Rettsyndrome. It's going to be dedicated to my sister who the main character is based off of. (': One of my other books has a main character who struggles with depression also. I like writing to represent reality while still involving my passion for fantasy. I don't see why authors don't include both. Right now the series is fan-fiction which you can find in my post histories. I have seen physical disabilities, but mental ones are scarce. It's sad. h Honestly I'd love a character like me Someone with severe hypotonia I had to look up what hypotonia was. That is something I have seen on a lesser scale with girls like my sister. It's not very pleasant. You must be a very strong person. A character like that would certainly be a challenge to write! A fun one, if that doesn't sound rude. I'd honestly would love to see one! |
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Post by » ѕнαdσω ⚔️ on Aug 8, 2017 21:50:38 GMT -5
That is true. I can only think of two or three books where there is a crippled character. One of them: Eon by Alison Goodman, doesn't even have a 'true' cripple in my opinion since the laws of her fantasy world twist the reality of it. It's still a good read and a fairly accurate depiction of what it might be like. I mean, it does make sense. If you have the experience and firsthand knowledge, you can more easily describe it in your story, just as I am doing with my sister for my novel. It makes it a lot more real and relateable I think if you have someone writing from such a personal background. Then again, any author could do a wonderful job with a physically or mentally ill/disabled character if they just did the research and interviewed people who have experienced it. ok first of all far as i know ppl rlly Do Not like being called "crippled" bc of the negative connotations it carries. use "disabled" instead. My apologies. In the book the author uses "cripple" when the main character describes herself so I just repeated it without thinking. I meant no offense. I have a sister with rettsyndrome so there are some words that really bother me as well. |
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Post by » ѕнαdσω ⚔️ on Aug 8, 2017 21:55:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I see a lot of copy cats, especially in teen fiction/fantasy. Same type of story with similar characters just different names and places. Doesn't mean I still don't read them and give them a chance, but it gets boring. I'd like to see some mainstream writers break out of the cycle and just write something braver. And as you say, writing more diverse material, especially when it comes to representing real world people who don't get any representation in today's media. I haven't come across that thankfully, but it doesn't surprise me. In the fantasy genre you can kinda get away with it since the author's world could have a different non-human character or environment that doesn't exist in our reality. But it still doesn't mean that you shouldn't do the research. Ugh, I hate cookie-cutter stories and characters so much. And yeah, that kind of thing is especially common in YA dystopian novels for some reason. And I'll have to admit that I still give them chances as well, but oftentimes I just end up disappointed. So many things could have been great, and then they just...weren't. :/ True, but I also feel like many people just slap the fantasy label on their work so they can get away with shoddy writing. Like, it says fantasy on the tin, but the worldbuilding and characters are way too similar to all the things that we have here, and it's weird and definitely makes me somewhat uncomfortable at times. And yes, research is important and I wish more people understood that. I feel ya ;-; </3 YES! I SEE THIS SO MUCH MORE NOW. It honestly makes me super sad because fantasy is my favorite genre, but they don't go outside the boundaries of reality as much anymore. (I think of Lord of the Rings/Hobbit type books as good examples of fantasy novels). Like...yeah, can we get away from earth? I live here...I want to see something new! |
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Post by wadevvilson on Aug 8, 2017 21:57:22 GMT -5
Ugh, I hate cookie-cutter stories and characters so much. And yeah, that kind of thing is especially common in YA dystopian novels for some reason. And I'll have to admit that I still give them chances as well, but oftentimes I just end up disappointed. So many things could have been great, and then they just...weren't. :/ True, but I also feel like many people just slap the fantasy label on their work so they can get away with shoddy writing. Like, it says fantasy on the tin, but the worldbuilding and characters are way too similar to all the things that we have here, and it's weird and definitely makes me somewhat uncomfortable at times. And yes, research is important and I wish more people understood that. I feel ya ;-; </3 YES! I SEE THIS SO MUCH MORE NOW. It honestly makes me super sad because fantasy is my favorite genre, but they don't go outside the boundaries of reality as much anymore. (I think of Lord of the Rings/Hobbit type books as good examples of fantasy novels). Like...yeah, can we get away from earth? I live here...I want to see something new! I'll admit that I was never the biggest fan of Tolkien's writing style to begin with, but I have to give him credit all the same. The man invented an entire language, and created beautifully fleshed-out books. And, sometimes new is good. Strange how people are afraid of a fictional new, when it can't possibly hurt them because it's not actually real. |
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Post by spilled ink on Aug 8, 2017 21:59:19 GMT -5
i feel like i want represent mentally ill charries but i dont feel like im qualified to write them??
like im so scared to write the wrong i don't want to write them at all.
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Post by wadevvilson on Aug 8, 2017 22:02:21 GMT -5
i feel like i want represent mentally ill charries but i dont feel like im qualified to write them??
like im so scared to write the wrong i don't want to write them at all. Yeah, I struggle with writing things sometimes as well. But, I feel like the most important thing here is to listen to genuine criticism when it pops up if you plan to actually write certain things. Also, keep in mind that there's no one right way to write things, since everyone's experience is different. |
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Post by » ѕнαdσω ⚔️ on Aug 8, 2017 22:04:29 GMT -5
wadevvilson Exactly. He brought so much to his books and it shows. I wish I was patient enough to make a language. o3o' I know right? It really frustrates me when people get offended by something in a true fantasy book (one that clearly has no connection to our society) and they go on a rant. It's people like that that probably drive some authors away from writing about more "out there" topics. (even though I know many people who love "out there" topics). spilled ink And that's completely understandable and nothing to be ashamed of! Writing is an art, and people will dislike your work no matter what because we all have our own opinions. Sometimes you just gotta be brave and see what happens! And never be afraid to ask for help.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 22:06:53 GMT -5
i feel like i want represent mentally ill charries but i dont feel like im qualified to write them??
like im so scared to write the wrong i don't want to write them at all. that's a good feeling to have tbh. people are who want to represent other groups but are nervous about it generally do it better because you're more likely to do research. i'm mentally ill and have a rare chronic pain disorder, but when i want to write something i don't have or to get a different perspective on something i do have, here are some places i tend to look: - wikipedia (can't write about it if u don't know what it is; this is a basic start w info)
- mayo clinic (same reason as wikipedia)
- any other relevant medical sites (for example, my chronic pain disorder is called trigeminal neuralgia and it's a nerve problem; i can find info on that at the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, Facial Pain Association, American Association of Neurological Surgeons, and National Organization for Rare Disorders websites)
- forums where people who have this condition or disorder ask questions, share info, post about their experiences, etc (there are even TN forums and that's a rare disorder so like. i guarantee u a forum exists for what ur researching)
- if u know someone w it, ask them if u can ask them questions
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Post by spilled ink on Aug 8, 2017 22:17:26 GMT -5
wadevvilson yeah i'll keep that in mind. thanks
» ѕнαdσω ⚔️ thanks so much thats really encouraging
@striker i'll definitely keep that in mind.
its weird bc i know a lot of people with this kinds of issues and theyre great people and what mental illness they have doesn't constrict them, but in certain moments i don't know how to write people with that certain mental illness bc i know the reactions that people have when theyre put in a situation that triggers anxiety but i don't know what their thought process looks like and its not that i want to write that (i never could) but its that i feel like if i can't understand it i cant write it. i don't know if that makes any sense but like thats how i write.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 22:25:30 GMT -5
also to add if you go through all the research steps and still don't feel comfortable or like you could give that condition a good rep, don't write it
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Post by wadevvilson on Aug 8, 2017 22:26:12 GMT -5
You're welcome to try and ask, Moon. Heck, I have severe anxiety myself..among other things. Will try to explain where I can, even if I don't quite understand why I do the things I do myself.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 22:28:03 GMT -5
for future reference too if you guys are ever writing a character w GAD, chronic depression, and/or trigeminal neuralgia and want to ask someone about any of those things, i'd be down w answering questions
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