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Post by Sea Drops by a Bird on Jul 18, 2017 18:17:31 GMT -5
So I've been trying to figure out what would make them decide to kill off cats who have already died, as if dying once wasn't enough, and they hadn't earned an eternal rest. And yes, I do recall a scene where Firestar sees a dead cat who is fading; and I see that as different from actually being killed. I don't mind the fading; it's dark and a little twisted, but because initially it wasn't a focal point of the series it was fine.
But as far as killing dead cats goes, I just couldn't get behind that. Because these dead cats- spirits- can bleed and be wounded; starve and show frailty. And in doing this, they actually stopped being dead, and are some sort of ghost/cat hybrid, where they display attributes of both parties. And with the many things happening in the series, I couldn't help but wonder why this would be the case now. And then I thought about two major events in TLH : Firestar dies, and so does Spottedleaf. And then, when asked why, Kerry said that Spottedleaf was killed so Firestar wouldn't have to choose.
Love triangles, when done right, can be very entertaining and fulfilling and great for a story, but the problem is that at some point, a choice has to be made. However in pop culture, most writers don't let that happen. They instead introduce an outside force, a deus ex machina if you will so that the choice never has to be made. And since Spottedleaf was already dead, the only way to close the love triangle without having a choice being made (The fact that there is even a choice that needs to be made after all this time, after being with Sandstorm and having a family with her is disgusting in my eyes) when you knew planned to kill Firestar would be to eliminate Spottedleaf for good. And the only way to do that is to kill a dead cat, and if you ask me that's what motivated the concept of dead cats being killed.
What do you think? Did you like the idea of dead cats being killed? Did you hate it, but accept it because it meant Spottedleaf was gone? Who do you think Firestar would really have chosen on a level playing field (Spottedleaf being alive, or all of them in StarClan)? Discuss.
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Post by wadevvilson on Jul 18, 2017 18:30:10 GMT -5
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Post by Sea Drops by a Bird on Jul 18, 2017 18:34:25 GMT -5
That's how I feel too, but then with all the killing Spottedleaf to he wouldn't have to choose, they made it seem like maybe he wouldn't chose Sandstorm, which is malarkey.
And I didn't really get why the Dark forest was so powerful anyway. Was it because more cats were training there? Because they maybe had ten, fifteen trainees top. And they were more powerful than StarClan ever was, which made no sense. And how did they even figure out all that they could do? So many questions, so little answers.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 18, 2017 18:45:45 GMT -5
Vicky confirmed that Spottedleaf died again because she wanted the best side of her character to be brought out. Firestar not having to choose was sort of more of a bonus, and even then it's obvious he would've chosen Sandstorm either way.
As for the fading thing, I hate the fact that cats die again either when they're forgotten or are killed again and then (according to Vicky) just cease to exist. What's the point of StarClan, then?
I think a much better way to do this would be to do actual reincarnation so they aren't lost forever, have them transported to a sort of higher plane, I guess (like a second StarClan, if you will), or have them be in a comatose-like state of sorts until the injuries are healed (which is what I'm going to do with one of my stories). Or just don't make them fade away at all.
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Jul 18, 2017 18:55:08 GMT -5
Honestly, the fact that Firestar would even consider bailing on Sandstorm, the mother of his kits and his lifelong partner, in favor of his childhood crush is baffling and reflects rather poorly on him. I don't think the Erins know how love works...
As for the fading thing, I think it's rather sadistic, but it makes sense for such a culture. So I can accept it.
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Post by Sea Drops by a Bird on Jul 18, 2017 19:01:48 GMT -5
Exactly, give them something...these cats are supposed to be like in eternal rest, but you pretty much stole that from them. I like the second starclan idea; they wouldn't be involved in the lives of living cats, but they wouldn't just be gone.
And I didn't really buy what Vicky said, because for starters when has Spottedleaf ever had any bad sides at that point? It wasn't until Spottedleaf's heart that we saw a different side of her; until then she was kind and beautiful and smart and wise and skilled. I think it really was so Firestar wouldn't make a choice, because they've both made it clear time and time again that they still loved each other, and have both expressed their plans to be together in StarClan. Which was fine up until you were faced with his death and the reality that something had to give because Firestar couldn't actually be in StarClan with Spottedleaf.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 18, 2017 19:05:44 GMT -5
Exactly, give them something...these cats are supposed to be like in eternal rest, but you pretty much stole that from them. I like the second starclan idea; they wouldn't be involved in the lives of living cats, but they wouldn't just be gone. And I didn't really buy what Vicky said, because for starters when has Spottedleaf ever had any bad sides at that point? It wasn't until Spottedleaf's heart that we saw a different side of her; until then she was kind and beautiful and smart and wise and skilled. I think it really was so Firestar wouldn't make a choice, because they've both made it clear time and time again that they still loved each other, and have both expressed their plans to be together in StarClan. Which was fine up until you were faced with his death and the reality that something had to give because Firestar couldn't actually be in StarClan with Spottedleaf. Exactly! But don't forget that Spottedleaf was also obsessed with Firestar. That's the side that Vicky wanted to show—her sacrificial side, enough to give up her own existence to save Sandstorm.
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Post by Sea Drops by a Bird on Jul 18, 2017 19:17:54 GMT -5
True, true, which is the other thing I never got about their relationship. Sure Spottedleaf was beautiful and Firestar was a special snowflake, but they pretty much only knew each other in passing. Yet somehow that was enough to spawn four arcs of books of a dream relationship? Whatever happened to loving someone means letting them go?
But I will say that the obsession was mutual, because he was an active participant in their little dream dates. Aside from those though, she did stalk him and his kids and his grandkids
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 18, 2017 19:31:46 GMT -5
True, true, which is the other thing I never got about their relationship. Sure Spottedleaf was beautiful and Firestar was a special snowflake, but they pretty much only knew each other in passing. Yet somehow that was enough to spawn four arcs of books of a dream relationship? Whatever happened to loving someone means letting them go? But I will say that the obsession was mutual, because he was an active participant in their little dream dates. Aside from those though, she did stalk him and his kids and his grandkids Spottedleaf initiated most of those "dream dates" though. Firestar rarely came to her, it was the other way around. The only times I can recall Firestar actually coming to her was twice when he needed her advice and again when he told her he couldn't be in love with her memory anymore sometime after taking Sandstorm as a mate.
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Post by me on Jul 19, 2017 12:04:02 GMT -5
I don't like how the Erins maked this thing appear like ... only for Spottedleaf.
Spottedleaf was killed to make Sand × Fire canon in StarClan => this means that if the Spotted never died a second once, he could left his life partener to be in love with his old crush. This is the impression on which the Erins give our about this deaths. This is only a reason for killed forever from the series the characters which the Erins don't like .
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Jul 19, 2017 13:06:36 GMT -5
I don't like how cats can be killed a second time.
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