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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 16:01:53 GMT -5
Ever since the whole Missing Kits and other related drama happened we now have conflicting statements on what is canon and what isn't. So like... what have you decided for yourself? Has nothing changed for you? Do you recognize Missing Kits or not? Do you only recognize the books? Which books, if not all? How do you feel about the Erin Hunter chats/q&a?
I've personally thrown in the towel and only fully recognize the main series, though I also loosely consider the other books canon. Basically anything in the other books is canon as long as it fits the main series.
But like, not really in the sense of "Tigerstar was evil in the main series, but in his novella he has a bit of a heart, so that must be wrong." I mean like name/description/timeline inconsistencies like in Yellowfang's Secret.
But yeah. Missing Kits? Fanfiction. Erin Hunter chats? Nope. Kate's answers? Only personal opinions. At least that's what I've come to terms as.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 16:04:04 GMT -5
Sadly, nothing. If Kate said whatever is written in the books is canon now, then there's no point in believing in the Erins anymore considering they either change their minds a lot or go back on their word.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 16:10:49 GMT -5
I only take the books as canon. If it's not stated in the books word for word, it isn't canon.
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Post by Kibui on Jul 9, 2017 16:23:43 GMT -5
I still consider everything canon unless proven otherwise. In the case of inconsistencies the more recent books are what are canon (eg. the information from DotC and the SEs being the canon one compared to SotC) or the ones that actually have the event take place instead of just telling you about it (like Dustpelt's death)
I can see why others wouldn't think of the other sources as canon anymore, especially when it comes to the Erin's direct answers because those have sometimes been extremely frustrating, but only taking he main series as canon and completely disregarding the SEs goes a bit overboard - no offense that's just what I think.
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Jul 9, 2017 17:50:52 GMT -5
Obviously the information contained in the books are canon. In cases of inconsistencies, I tend to view information given in the main series as accurate, then the SEs, then the novellas, then the guidebooks and so on.
As for author info . . . I haven't fully decided. If a statement by the Erins seems plausible, then I'll consider it canon. If it's ridiculous or contradictory, then no, I would accept the book canon as opposed to the Word of God. And if the statement contradicts something that's been previously said by another Erin, again, I'll go with the most plausible answer. Since Su's statements are explicitly stated to be noncanon (specifically the Missing Kits), I don't consider them canon. Meaning that ANY of her statements are fanon until proven otherwise by the material.
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Post by Basement Cat on Jul 9, 2017 18:44:01 GMT -5
Nothing past OotS is canon for me, as I've not read past OotS. When it comes to outside information from the books, it is all not canon. At this point I just take what the books say as true, not the authors or scapegoats they use to hide their own mistakes.
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Post by wadevvilson on Jul 9, 2017 18:56:57 GMT -5
To be frank, by this point I'm the literal embodiment of the shrug emoji because the Erins have contradicted themselves so many times I don't know what to believe anymore.
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Post by Lightflame on Jul 9, 2017 19:02:13 GMT -5
Everything is canon, Rock just keeps changing the timeline.
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Post by dashingshadows on Jul 9, 2017 21:05:52 GMT -5
Absolutely not.
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Post by kinkajou on Jul 9, 2017 21:46:48 GMT -5
Whatever I want to believe is canon ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by Alpha on Jul 9, 2017 21:57:53 GMT -5
the books are canon
I like to think the relationships (but not characters) mentioned in Missing Kits are canon too.
I actually like what Su came up with.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 9, 2017 22:09:54 GMT -5
The books I consider Canon A, while everything else outside of it I consider Canon B, as in canon until the books state otherwise, including Missing Kits, and even then I think Su did a great job with them. It's sad they're no longer canon.
And I'm still confused how an author/editor can be bullied out of her own series. It seems like Vicky was planning on leaving for awhile, and I'm not at all surprised that she did considering the last main book she helped worked on the first book in DotC (2013) and the last SE she helped out with was BrS (2014). She was already being pushed to the side long before the controversy started, so really, it was only a matter of time before she left the team completely and work on something else.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jul 10, 2017 2:03:52 GMT -5
Everything that isn't contradicted is canon to me. I believe Missing Kits is canon because the pairings made sense. Some of them actually appeared in the books, just nameless. For example Ashheart and her kits. There was a gray queen with kits mentioned in RS, but they didn't have names at the time. That is canon, you can read through RS to find it. That's the problem with Missing Kits being retracted. So many of the families included in the project were canon, but we simply didn't know their names at the time. That's why I still view it as canon. Plus if people didn't throw a hissy fit over Su answer questions for Vicky, it would still be canon and we would have been getting series three soon.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Jul 10, 2017 11:41:37 GMT -5
I still consider Missing Kits as can because it made sense. However, I do not consider the majority of the new Dark Forest cats canon because we have no explanation for them. For things that the authors go back and forth on, I just take whatever explanation makes sense. For example, Squirrelflight could have kits all along, but just didn't know notice the cats’ limited medical knowledge, Cloudtail now believes in Starclan, Mothwing acknowledges Starclan’s existence, but is still publicly in denial, Fallen Leaves and Hollyleaf are mates, and Princess went to an afterlife (with Firestar still visiting her).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 11:42:09 GMT -5
Everything in the books not contradicted is canon. Some books with too many contradictions (Spottedleaf's Heart, for instance) are not canon, but most of it is. The only things I can really consider canon otherwise are the Missing Kits because that makes sense and the kits were mentioned in the books (although namelessly) and the rare things the Erins say that make sense in-universe and don't sound contrived or contradictory or only there to please the fans.
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