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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 18:05:08 GMT -5
I understand why Tawnypelt left, but in the long run I think ThunderClan would have been a better home for her. It just seems like her entire existance in ShadowClan has been her getting disrespected and cast aside.
ShadowClan is always in a state of chaos, and they're always so rude and disrespectful towards her. It's hinted that for the longest time, Tawnypelt was judged for being from ThunderClan and that she wasn't treated like a true Clanmate. Her Clanmates are morally weak, and will just do whatever is easiest for them. They have no true loyalty and will let anyone persuade them. This even lead to her Clanmates for years turning against her and kicking her out. Rowanstar is a bad mate, one of her kits is dead, another one missing, and Tigerheart is supposedly leaving...
Even though she probably would have just become a background character, I think Tawnypelt would have had a better life in ThunderClan. She would at least have her brother by her side. Not to mention, ThunderClan is a lot more secure and open minded than ShadowClan is. ShadowClan gets destroyed everytime the wind blows these days.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 7, 2017 20:34:38 GMT -5
I agree, I see and understand why she left, but she should have stayed tbh...I don't blame her for leaving, but TC would have def treated her better in the long run, especially when Bramble became leader. I wonder who her mate would be though if she had chosen TC...maybe ThornClaw? Even Ashfur is an option.
It annoys me that the Erins get rid of cats that have good potential if they stayed in TC, like Stormfur and Tawnypelt, but then keep cats that have no business being there tbh, like Millie and Stormcloud, ugh.
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Post by snowfoot on Jul 7, 2017 21:47:14 GMT -5
I feel like if Tawnypelt had stayed, her character could have been far more interesting and developed, she could have even been Brambles deputy...
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Post by kinkajou on Jul 7, 2017 22:56:53 GMT -5
I'm actually glad she left and respect her for it. ShC does disrespect her sometimes, but so did/would TC
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 8, 2017 14:55:53 GMT -5
I prefer that she left. It showed later on, when she refused to return to Thunderclan after Tigerstar's death, and chose to remain loyal to Shadowclan, that she makes her choices and sticks with them. Shadowclan would have fared less without her, to be honest. It was clear her kits were all important, and that she mentored a few cats and stood as an important warrior. She is disrespected, but if she was to return, she'd have been disrespected anyway. Both clans treated her badly and yet I see her as a Shadowclan cat to the bone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 17:04:17 GMT -5
Well... here's the thing- from my point of view, and how I interpreted Tawnypelt's statements and decision, Tawnypelt would not and never would have forgiven ThunderClan for how they treated her. When Tawnypelt stated that she wanted to be the best warrior she could be- and that she couldn't be that in ThunderClan- I felt like she was saying that she was no longer loyal to ThunderClan and didn't think she could ever regain that loyalty- and that she didn't want to fight on behalf of a clan who she had lost respect for. I think that initially, it wasn't necessarily a favorability for ShadowClan that drove her to join them as much as it was the unfavorability towards ThunderClan.
And the thing is, though I agree that Tawnypelt would probably be better off in ThunderClan status-wise- as in she would more likely rise up in ranks- she would probably still be distrusted for her heritage, most likely even more than Bramblestar because she ran off to join Tigerstar when she was an apprentice. No matter how much she could try to convince the clan, she would always be known as the daughter who deserted to her murderous father. She didn't just run away from home- she joined the enemy. While Bramblestar only had looks, Tawnypelt had an actual rap sheet that would put her at a bigger disadvantage.
Now I know much of this doesn't have to do with how poorly ShadowClan treats her- but here's the thing... I don't think she cares, or at least, would rather get mocked for being a former ThunderClan cat than for being a daughter of Tigerstar. And I think that's all she's wanted- and she's gotten that. Is that what I would want? Heck no, I'd choose the path Bramblestar took. But I recognize that they both have different goals and different needs- Bramblestar wanted to be a loyal ThunderClan cat, and Tawnypelt didn't want to be judged because of her father. It was clear as day right before Tigerstar died when Bramblestar firmly stood beside Firestar while Tawnypelt firmly stood beside Oakfur.
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Post by Tas on Jul 8, 2017 17:16:12 GMT -5
Um, no.
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Post by kinkajou on Jul 8, 2017 21:36:42 GMT -5
Well... here's the thing- from my point of view, and how I interpreted Tawnypelt's statements and decision, Tawnypelt would not and never would have forgiven ThunderClan for how they treated her. When Tawnypelt stated that she wanted to be the best warrior she could be- and that she couldn't be that in ThunderClan- I felt like she was saying that she was no longer loyal to ThunderClan and didn't think she could ever regain that loyalty- and that she didn't want to fight on behalf of a clan who she had lost respect for. I think that initially, it wasn't necessarily a favorability for ShadowClan that drove her to join them as much as it was the unfavorability towards ThunderClan. And the thing is, though I agree that Tawnypelt would probably be better off in ThunderClan status-wise- as in she would more likely rise up in ranks- she would probably still be distrusted for her heritage, most likely even more than Bramblestar because she ran off to join Tigerstar when she was an apprentice. No matter how much she could try to convince the clan, she would always be known as the daughter who deserted to her murderous father. She didn't just run away from home- she joined the enemy. While Bramblestar only had looks, Tawnypelt had an actual rap sheet that would put her at a bigger disadvantage. Now I know much of this doesn't have to do with how poorly ShadowClan treats her- but here's the thing... I don't think she cares, or at least, would rather get mocked for being a former ThunderClan cat than for being a daughter of Tigerstar. And I think that's all she's wanted- and she's gotten that. Is that what I would want? Heck no, I'd choose the path Bramblestar took. But I recognize that they both have different goals and different needs- Bramblestar wanted to be a loyal ThunderClan cat, and Tawnypelt didn't want to be judged because of her father. It was clear as day right before Tigerstar died when Bramblestar firmly stood beside Firestar while Tawnypelt firmly stood beside Oakfur. I was going to add a comment about how I'd rather be disrespected for being born in a different clan than for no reason but you beat me to it : p If I was Tawny I would make the same decision I mostly agree with this tho
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jul 9, 2017 1:06:45 GMT -5
I agree that she should have stayed in ThunderClan. Things got a lot better for Brambleclaw right after TDH, and she could have reaped the benefits too.
But Tawnypelt didn't have the patience to wait. She wanted a fair chance and assumed she wouldn't get it in ThunderClan. While I disagree with what she did, it does make sense.
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Post by snowfoot on Jul 9, 2017 21:44:52 GMT -5
#justicefortawnypelt2k17
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Post by me on Jul 10, 2017 10:49:30 GMT -5
I think too that TC could be a better home for her. In TC , she has a brother , Bramble and I really enjoy the idea that she and Squirrel could became friends , and watching together Bramble leading the Clan. And , I can imagine her became mates with a TC tom , staying in TC with her family and her brother's family .I always thinked she deserves better than Rowanstar . But , in the same time , I respect her decision to stay in SC.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Jul 10, 2017 11:30:21 GMT -5
The one thing I don't quite understand about Tawnypelt’s decision is the Clan she chose… She doesn't want to be judged because of her father, but she chose the Clan he was the leader of… On top of that, her father went on to cause even greater problems for said Clan… So she's setting herself up to be judged anyway…
Furthermore, I feel like Bramblestar should've gone with her… He was having the same issues she was, and he still remains close to her... Not only would it have allowed Tawnypelt to have some kin in her adopted clan, it would've also made things interesting for Firestar (e.g. would he have felt guilt, or would he have decided to just accept the decision and wish for Bramblestar to be happy?). Not to mention how the other cats would treat the two (would they think that it was a relief get rid of them, sad that it happened, resentful, accepting it…)
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