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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 11:42:00 GMT -5
what pairings in warriors seemed to come out of absolute no where? first thing i think of is thunder x violet dawn and clear sky x storm.
Only bringing this up because on tumblr, someone @'d me about the voltron ship wars. and i said "this is about established moments and chemistry between characters!" because klance (keith + lance) had a lot of development in season 1 and even a bonding moment where, if one was a girl, more people would see it as romantic (hand holding, s miling, gazing into eachother's eyes). and shallura (shiro + allura) had moments in season 1, but MORE SO in season 2! and yet the writers want to FORCE keith and Allura to have "moments" ??? it came literally out of no where in season 2 and they never once spent a meaningful moment or word with eachother previously. YOU CANT BUILD CHEMISTRY OUT OF NOTHING. You can't just FORCE two characters to spend time together, and pretend it's meaningful when they havent even had a shred of interest in eachother before now! its out of nowhere, literally.
and i thought of warriors because i know some pairings here have come out of nowhere as well, and i feel like i am used to this, so shutting kallura (keith + allura) down is nothing new to me. AND: ashfur suddenly liking squirrelpaw when she comes back from the journey ALSO came out of nowhere. because before then, he treated her like an annoying apprentice.
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Post by theRavenflight on Apr 12, 2017 11:48:27 GMT -5
Clear Sky X Star Flower was too random and came out of nowhere
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 11:54:25 GMT -5
theRavenflightthat one too. a lot of pairings from that series are rushed for some reason.
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Post by theRavenflight on Apr 12, 2017 11:55:27 GMT -5
theRavenflight that one too. a lot of pairings from that series are rushed for some reason. That's true...it's like they had a good plot and were like "oh wait we need to explain how their kits exist so let's throw in a random mate"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 11:58:23 GMT -5
theRavenflighti dont know the names of the other kits born in that series, so idk if they're ALL important (like how Thunder is important, or maybe Gray Wing's kits are important? idek!)
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Post by whiteflight on Apr 12, 2017 12:06:42 GMT -5
For me it's ThistleclawxSpottedleaf, I just hate the ship because it's random and it's just so weird seeing him be all nice
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 12, 2017 12:23:29 GMT -5
I've been meaning to watch Voltron for awhile now, but for some reason I keep on putting it on hold. ^^"
But yeah, I get what you're saying. Much as I liked DotC, I can't recall a single well-developed pairing from that arc. There were a few moments that occurred before the characters fell in love, but it was usually just a scene or two. Even Moth Flight x Micah was a little rushed, but still a bit better than the other pairings in the era of the Early Settlers.
I guess Leaf x Milkweed was developed, but that was usually in the background.
Then there's the first arc: GrayxSilver comes to mind as well as FirexSpotted.
Much as I liked OakxBlue, that was underdeveloped too, especially when compared to the other SE couples.
CrowxFeather AshxSquirrel BumblexDove
That's all that comes to mind at the moment.
Really, the Erins don't know how to write romance very well.
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Apr 12, 2017 12:46:24 GMT -5
95% of DoTC pairings were rushed, and came across as infatuations. Which is a shame, because otherwise it was the best series since TPB.
For example, Thunder being into Star Flower I can buy, since Thunder is a hormonal teenager and Star Flower is unrealistically attractive, and deliberately tried to seduce him. Clear x Star, on the other hand, is a disgusting crack pairing made canon, and had THREE DAYS worth of development. Literally. Thunder x Violet basically consisted of Thunder being pissed that Slash was harassing a pretty girl, and getting infatuated as a result. Clear x Storm was also clearly infatuation, but that fact actually played into the story (with Storm growing more and more frustrated as their relationship "developed"), so it's excusable. The only main pairings with any development are the Gray Wing ships, save Gray x Storm.
Aside from DoTC, there's Fire x Spotted, Thistle x Spotted, Blue x Oak, Crow x literally everyone, Thistle x Spotted, Jay x Half Moon, Ash x Squirrel, Thistle x Spotted, to an extent Lion x Heather (though they barely count as a pairing), Thistle x Spotted, Dove x Bumble, and Thistle x Spotted.
Did I mention Thistle x Spotted? Because I'm still pissed about that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 12:55:15 GMT -5
as much as i love jayxhalf, i kind of agree lol
i wonder why they can't seem to write a lot of things well? romance being the biggest because *cough* we have the monstrosity that is bumblexdovextiger
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 12:57:05 GMT -5
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵if you have netflix, you could marathon both seasons of voltron!! i post about it all the time on tumblr so idk if it's been spoiled for you or not lmao
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 12, 2017 13:03:01 GMT -5
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵if you have netflix, you could marathon both seasons of voltron!! i post about it all the time on tumblr so idk if it's been spoiled for you or not lmao I don't have Netflix, but I do have Showbox and they definitely have it on there. And the show hasn't been too spoiled for me, so no worries.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Apr 12, 2017 13:35:06 GMT -5
Thistle x Spotted was pretty creepy and random
Pine x Leopard was also another creepy/random pairing
Thorn x Blossom was pretty random too
Fire x Spotted was just extremely annoying
Crow x Leaf was another stupid/random pairing
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 12, 2017 16:34:24 GMT -5
Why do people make such a big deal...about kallura. I don't ship it but I don't mind it either. Imo Klance is overrated and bad, it's no better than ships like Squirrel x Bramble and Pebble x Hawk, where in the begining they hate each other's guts, and their characters get ruined along the way. Klance has been hyped up way too much, which I find to be ironic considering Shiro and Keith have much more development, and has the support of the staff even. I don't mind Shallura, I actually really love it, but I don't think it'll happen. And where as I don't mind Kallura either, I'm not big on it, keep in mind that in the original voltron Keith ends up with Allura.
It's impossible to compare Voltron ships to Warrior ships anyways, Voltron is based on a group that have relationships and bonding moments. They already have an established set of chemistry wether you view it as romantic or platonic, other wise they wouldn't be able to work together as a team let alone form voltron. So for people to claim any pairing that is not Klance or Shallura is out of the blue, literally makes no sense.
On the other hand you have Spottedleaf and Thistleclaw who no where in ANY of the books had real interactions together, let alone any suggestions they used to love one another unlike with other established couples likes Yellow x Ragged, Blue x Oak, and Fire x Spotted. It's one thing to establish a background story for cats like Onestar, who understandable wouldn't tell the clan about his secret relationship with a kittypet so long ago, cause he's a coward, but it's another thing to throw out that these two long running characters apparently had a thing but never showed any ounce of implications toward that on screen.
So to me a pairings like Thistle x Spotted seems out of no where imo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 16:53:00 GMT -5
❅Maplefrost❅i am not comparing warriors to voltron, i only brought it up because i was thinking about what happened to me on tumblr, which made me THINK about warriors. [unrelated to warriors is below this <- ] i did not mean to bring the voltron discourse with me but i will debate about it if you want. and also, shiro is 25 and keith is 16/17. i do not support legal adults being with (or shipped with) underage teens (under 18, which is legal age). and not to mention keith called shiro his older brother, or he is like a brother to him, this means he sees shiro was FAMILY. they're only so close because shiro is the closest thing to family keith has since his dad, assumingly, abandoned him. so there is age discourse AND a family-type thing going on that prevents sheith ever from happening. and also, yes klance is over rated, but only in terms of the fandom since a lot (idk if its majority or not) of the fandom ship klance (odds are if you look up voltron/vld or a character from vld, a klance picture is always buried in the results somewhere lol). just because it is too over exposed, doesnt mean the chemistry isnt there or it isnt written. that's the only reason why majority hate kallura. besides, keith was leader in the older voltron series, and shiro is leader in the new one, so obviously nothing is going to 100% follow the previous series. so the leader with the princess happened in the other series (which WAS keith allura) but now the leader is shiro (its not actual evidence for shallura, but it is enough to say things will change for vld). im super serious about the voltron discourse, so go to my tumblr if you wanna fight me lol
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Post by andy on Apr 12, 2017 17:54:53 GMT -5
Jay x Half came out of nowhere tbh. I used to be fine with it but over time I was less and less into it then I watched a video about it and thought about it and it just bothers me now.
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Post by perfectlypink♥ on Apr 12, 2017 18:21:24 GMT -5
I don't know if any one has mentioned this yet, but Daisy x Spiderleg was so random and unexpected
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 18:23:45 GMT -5
perfectlypink♥i totally forgot about spiderleg's existence!!! poor spiderleg T_T
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 12, 2017 21:00:09 GMT -5
❅Maplefrost❅ i am not comparing warriors to voltron, i only brought it up because i was thinking about what happened to me on tumblr, which made me THINK about warriors. [unrelated to warriors is below this <- ] i did not mean to bring the voltron discourse with me but i will debate about it if you want. and also, shiro is 25 and keith is 16/17. i do not support legal adults being with (or shipped with) underage teens (under 18, which is legal age). and not to mention keith called shiro his older brother, or he is like a brother to him, this means he sees shiro was FAMILY. they're only so close because shiro is the closest thing to family keith has since his dad, assumingly, abandoned him. so there is age discourse AND a family-type thing going on that prevents sheith ever from happening. and also, yes klance is over rated, but only in terms of the fandom since a lot (idk if its majority or not) of the fandom ship klance (odds are if you look up voltron/vld or a character from vld, a klance picture is always buried in the results somewhere lol). just because it is too over exposed, doesnt mean the chemistry isnt there or it isnt written. that's the only reason why majority hate kallura. besides, keith was leader in the older voltron series, and shiro is leader in the new one, so obviously nothing is going to 100% follow the previous series. so the leader with the princess happened in the other series (which WAS keith allura) but now the leader is shiro (its not actual evidence for shallura, but it is enough to say things will change for vld). im super serious about the voltron discourse, so go to my tumblr if you wanna fight me lol Shiro's actual age is unknown. "Shiro is purportedly 25, which would make him the oldest of the Paladins. However, the DreamWorks website and comics contradict this claim by describing the five Paladins as "Five unsuspecting teenagers", placing Shiro's age as 19 at the oldest." And Keith is in his late teens, late teens are 18 and 19. 13 and 14 early teens; 15, 16, and 17 mid-teens; 18 and 19 are late teens. Literally everyone on Voltron has called one another family in some way. Hunk even says that he, Keith and Lance are brothers at one point. By what you're trying to say, neither of them should be shipped with any of them because of this.Saying that Keith is only closer to Shiro because of his own parental issues, which is funny considering we do find out who Keith's parents are anyways, is based off your own personal perception of the characters. Not facts. You keep missing the point of what I said about chemistry in the first place. To claim that Klance has chmistry but not Kallura, and again I don't even adamantly ship or care for this pairings, is bias. Because all of the members on the team have a base level of chemistry, whether romantic or platonic, through bonding, because again they wouldn't even be able to form Voltron without it, and they wouldn't even be able to work together in battles. Of course nothing is going 100% like the older series, but are you going to ignore the fact that Shiro stated that he wants Keith to be the new leader if anything should happen to him?? And so what if Klance shows up in searches, like I said, it's over hyped, people jump on it just because they compare it to Korrasami so much, imo they're nothing alike, using baseless comparisons like color themes and similar directors of the show. And lmao I didn't want to fight you, but seriously you are making the biggest deal of nothing. And it's kinda funny that the only thing you ignored is the part where the staff support Shiro and Keith? Btw do you know that the Klance fandom is now attacking the Shallura fandom? Because the staff called Allura a "Teen" in their most recent interview, oh no I guess Shallura can't happen now, oh well. Seriously, none of the characters even have set ages, and the Klance fandom is some of the most toxic people I've ever seen, so eager to fight other people that don't agree with them.
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Post by ♥Snowfire♥ on Apr 12, 2017 21:08:16 GMT -5
I don't know if any one has mentioned this yet, but Daisy x Spiderleg was so random and unexpected Honestly I forgot this happened. Which goes to show random and unexpected. Which, not that it was unexpected, but I would like to point out that Dustpelt is Ferncloud's uncle. Yep. *nods slowly* Not okay.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 12, 2017 21:19:26 GMT -5
I don't know if any one has mentioned this yet, but Daisy x Spiderleg was so random and unexpected Honestly I forgot this happened. Which goes to show random and unexpected. Which, not that it was unexpected, but I would like to point out that Dustpelt is Ferncloud's uncle. Yep. *nods slowly* Not okay. Dustpelt being Ferncloud's uncle was confirmed years ago, so that's really nothing new. Besides, nearly everyone in the Clans is related, with plenty of the pairings being cousins. They're cats and of course this would happen if you remember that the warrior code forbids cats from different Clans becoming mates.
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Post by ♥Snowfire♥ on Apr 12, 2017 21:23:10 GMT -5
Honestly I forgot this happened. Which goes to show random and unexpected. Which, not that it was unexpected, but I would like to point out that Dustpelt is Ferncloud's uncle. Yep. *nods slowly* Not okay. Dustpelt being Ferncloud's uncle was confirmed years ago, so that's really nothing new. Besides, nearly everyone in the Clans is related, with plenty of the pairings being cousins. They're cats and of course this would happen if you remember that the warrior code forbids cats from different Clans becoming mates. Oh I know it's not new, but it's still kinda ick. And yes, the Warrior Code does prohibit cross Clan matings, however it does happen plenty. Cats are also taken in or switch Clans enough where [first] cousins becoming mates shouldn't have to happen. (I can't think of any of these off the top of my head??) Down the line, cats might be distantly related and a couple, which isn't a huge issue, but the closer ones, I think, are.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 12, 2017 21:29:56 GMT -5
Dustpelt being Ferncloud's uncle was confirmed years ago, so that's really nothing new. Besides, nearly everyone in the Clans is related, with plenty of the pairings being cousins. They're cats and of course this would happen if you remember that the warrior code forbids cats from different Clans becoming mates. Oh I know it's not new, but it's still kinda ick. And yes, the Warrior Code does prohibit cross Clan matings, however it does happen plenty. Cats are also taken in or switch Clans enough where [first] cousins becoming mates shouldn't have to happen. (I can't think of any of these off the top of my head??) Down the line, cats might be distantly related and a couple, which isn't a huge issue, but the closer ones, I think, are. Only a few cats have become mates with their first cousin (SnowxLily and HawkxPebble) and switching Clans doesn't really happen all that often, at least when it comes to switching for a mate, I mean. The only cat to do this was Eaglestorm, and Graystripe did this only after Silverstream died. As for taking cats in, that doesn't happen too often either, but I guess just enough to avoid incest for a little while. I see your point, but this personally doesn't bother me (save for a few exceptions, like PatchxWillow) since it's to be expected.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 12, 2017 22:04:16 GMT -5
Oh I know it's not new, but it's still kinda ick. And yes, the Warrior Code does prohibit cross Clan matings, however it does happen plenty. Cats are also taken in or switch Clans enough where [first] cousins becoming mates shouldn't have to happen. (I can't think of any of these off the top of my head??) Down the line, cats might be distantly related and a couple, which isn't a huge issue, but the closer ones, I think, are. Only a few cats have become mates with their first cousin (SnowxLily and HawkxPebble) and switching Clans doesn't really happen all that often, at least when it comes to switching for a mate, I mean. The only cat to do this was Eaglestorm, and Graystripe did this only after Silverstream died. As for taking cats in, that doesn't happen too often either, but I guess just enough to avoid incest for a little while. I see your point, but this personally doesn't bother me (save for a few exceptions, like PatchxWillow) since it's to be expected. First counsins only really have like 1% of of being related tbh. The only real incests in warriors are like siblings, parents x child, or uncle/aunt x niece/nephew.
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Transgender
tord
tordedd king
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Post by tord on Apr 15, 2017 9:57:56 GMT -5
thistle/spotted aka The Big Nasty (tm)
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Post by owlbranch on Apr 15, 2017 10:38:59 GMT -5
Right now, I can only think of Ashfur and Squirrelflight. Squirrelflight could of been with any other cat. It just seems like the Erins looked at the allegiances, closed their eyes and put a finger on a name.
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Bisexual
Snowfire
Pronouns: She/Her or They/Them
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Post by Snowfire on Apr 15, 2017 11:00:18 GMT -5
Willowpelt and Patchpelt.. Plus they're siblings.
Sky x Storm in DoTC was so random IMO. Just randomly lay eyes on a stranger and boom, they're mates.
Spotted x Fire was also sorta unexpected. Spider and Daisy aswell.
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