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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 17:04:39 GMT -5
Totally the Commander's fault that the Don was psychologically torturing his daughter for his own pleasure Leporello generally sneaks below everyone else or repeats their tone. It's only in his arias that he really gets much attention musically, otherwise he's just a supplement to everyone else around him I tend to be an optimistic pessimist- it's very strange how my mind works with the kind of thing. I don't hope for the best, I hope for the worst because I think it'll turn out better than that and I'll be pleasantly surprised. I'm very weird about it @ - Oml. And I distinctly remembering it was all by force too. "Seduction" my foot Yeah, must be why I don't remember anything he sang, lol. Good thing for him, because I seem to remember what he said about the Don in the beginning being rather... derogatory, to say the least Donna Anna has a whole damn aria about the thing. how do people decide it was just seduction wHEN SHE'S RIGHT THERE TELLING THE WHOLE THING IN DETAIL you know the opera's off to a good start when it starts with a guy talking about how crappy his life is and how he never eats or sleeps and has to be dragged along with a self-absorbed scumbag lmao
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Post by prophet on Oct 23, 2017 17:07:42 GMT -5
Donna Anna has a whole damn aria about the thing. how do people decide it was just seduction wHEN SHE'S RIGHT THERE TELLING THE WHOLE THING IN DETAIL you know the opera's off to a good start when it starts with a guy talking about how crappy his life is and how he never eats or sleeps and has to be dragged along with a self-absorbed scumbag lmao @ - Yeah, it's pretty clear what is was yet people still deny it??? This 'that' culture, yo. Right?! There's not gonna be a happy ending with a beginning like that, lmao
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 17:12:09 GMT -5
Donna Anna has a whole damn aria about the thing. how do people decide it was just seduction wHEN SHE'S RIGHT THERE TELLING THE WHOLE THING IN DETAIL you know the opera's off to a good start when it starts with a guy talking about how crappy his life is and how he never eats or sleeps and has to be dragged along with a self-absorbed scumbag lmao @ - Yeah, it's pretty clear what is was yet people still deny it??? This is **** culture, yo. Right?! There's not gonna be a happy ending with a beginning like that, lmao the ladies of the opera all need more respect. they all kick (donkey) and they're all hella brave and I Love Them So Much productions that show how damn heroic they are and not try to make them secretly dark or something? Yes Please it's hit me a few times while listening to it that the entire opera starts with Leporello and ends with him- regardless of whether or not you cut the epilogue after the Don's demise, he's the last character to speak on his own and not in a chorus, as well as the first. It's kind of interesting and I have to wonder what the meaning behind it is
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Post by prophet on Oct 23, 2017 17:23:57 GMT -5
@ - Yeah, it's pretty clear what is was yet people still deny it??? This is 'that' culture, yo. Right?! There's not gonna be a happy ending with a beginning like that, lmao the ladies of the opera all need more respect. they all kick (donkey) and they're all hella brave and I Love Them So Much productions that show how damn heroic they are and not try to make them secretly dark or something? Yes Please it's hit me a few times while listening to it that the entire opera starts with Leporello and ends with him- regardless of whether or not you cut the epilogue after the Don's demise, he's the last character to speak on his own and not in a chorus, as well as the first. It's kind of interesting and I have to wonder what the meaning behind it is @ - For real. Ladies in opera need to be showcased more Ya know, that's really interesting, now that you point it out. He introduces the "wily" Don and then denies he's dead. Makes me have some theories
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 17:29:20 GMT -5
the ladies of the opera all need more respect. they all kick (donkey) and they're all hella brave and I Love Them So Much productions that show how damn heroic they are and not try to make them secretly dark or something? Yes Please it's hit me a few times while listening to it that the entire opera starts with Leporello and ends with him- regardless of whether or not you cut the epilogue after the Don's demise, he's the last character to speak on his own and not in a chorus, as well as the first. It's kind of interesting and I have to wonder what the meaning behind it is @ - For real. Ladies in opera need to be showcased more Ya know, that's really interesting, now that you point it out. He introduces the "wily" Don and then denies he's dead. Makes me have some theories they need more love He's kind of like the narrator, almost- he talks more about the Don than the Don does about himself, and then he's the one who at the very end consigns himself to finding a better master when the smoke dies down. Perhaps he's the one audiences are supposed to see themselves in?
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Post by prophet on Oct 23, 2017 22:28:18 GMT -5
@ - For real. Ladies in opera need to be showcased more Ya know, that's really interesting, now that you point it out. He introduces the "wily" Don and then denies he's dead. Makes me have some theories they need more love He's kind of like the narrator, almost- he talks more about the Don than the Don does about himself, and then he's the one who at the very end consigns himself to finding a better master when the smoke dies down. Perhaps he's the one audiences are supposed to see themselves in? @ - True. He didn't say anything about himself, lmao. Maybe he represents the audience. Maybe he represents the beginning, middle and end.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 4:27:28 GMT -5
they need more love He's kind of like the narrator, almost- he talks more about the Don than the Don does about himself, and then he's the one who at the very end consigns himself to finding a better master when the smoke dies down. Perhaps he's the one audiences are supposed to see themselves in? @ - True. He didn't say anything about himself, lmao. Maybe he represents the audience. Maybe he represents the beginning, middle and end.
In the very first version of the Don Juan legend back in 1616 or so, Leporello's character very much existed seven back then (although he had a different name) and it's been theorized by quite a few people that he's supposed to be representing the author. So it's probably very likely that Leporello is the one we are supposed to see ourselves in and the one the audience is supposed to bond closest to, which would also explain why throughout the opera he talks to the audience more than anyone else does
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Post by prophet on Oct 24, 2017 16:00:21 GMT -5
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH I’M SO GLAD YOU LIKE THEM!!! Those songs are all great and they played all three at the show!!! If you ever need more recommendations, just come to me! (I’m so happy you actually checked them out omg...most people are just like “oh ok cool” and that’s it) @ - Ok, sure~ I will probably take you up on that offer, lol
(Well, I'm always looking for new music ^w^ I know how it is when nobody 1) Likes your music, or 2) Doesn't care what music you like. I treat others how I want to be treated, lol. May sound lame, but whatever, hahahaha)
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Post by prophet on Oct 24, 2017 16:04:08 GMT -5
@ - True. He didn't say anything about himself, lmao. Maybe he represents the audience. Maybe he represents the beginning, middle and end.
In the very first version of the Don Juan legend back in 1616 or so, Leporello's character very much existed seven back then (although he had a different name) and it's been theorized by quite a few people that he's supposed to be representing the author. So it's probably very likely that Leporello is the one we are supposed to see ourselves in and the one the audience is supposed to bond closest to, which would also explain why throughout the opera he talks to the audience more than anyone else does @ - That's pretty cool. Maybe I should look into Don Juan some more, maybe read up on some things. It sounds interesting now that I'm older, lmao. Yeah, it's highly likely now that you bring that up. If he isn't, then why go through all the trouble of introducing him and having him be there in the beginning and end? Why would he explain things as they go like a narrator would? Why would he not tell more about himself and who he is?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 16:15:40 GMT -5
In the very first version of the Don Juan legend back in 1616 or so, Leporello's character very much existed seven back then (although he had a different name) and it's been theorized by quite a few people that he's supposed to be representing the author. So it's probably very likely that Leporello is the one we are supposed to see ourselves in and the one the audience is supposed to bond closest to, which would also explain why throughout the opera he talks to the audience more than anyone else does @ - That's pretty cool. Maybe I should look into Don Juan some more, maybe read up on some things. It sounds interesting now that I'm older, lmao. Yeah, it's highly likely now that you bring that up. If he isn't, then why go through all the trouble of introducing him and having him be there in the beginning and end? Why would he explain things as they go like a narrator would? Why would he not tell more about himself and who he is?
by broken The legend in and of itself is honestly pretty interesting, especially when you go back and look at all the different versions of it and how they all are similar somehow It also would make logical sense: Leporello is often the Don's conscience in a way given how he comments on the Don and often dispenses advice to him (even if the Don never takes it). (That's actually why the Don and Leporello have the same color palette in Ensemble, besides the obvious disguising-as-each-other schtick.)It's very much like how Jiminy Cricket is the narrator of Pinocchio. They have character development and all, but they work well as a narrator because they're basically always with the hero and the one who often discusses things with the hero the most.
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Post by prophet on Oct 24, 2017 19:39:05 GMT -5
@ - That's pretty cool. Maybe I should look into Don Juan some more, maybe read up on some things. It sounds interesting now that I'm older, lmao. Yeah, it's highly likely now that you bring that up. If he isn't, then why go through all the trouble of introducing him and having him be there in the beginning and end? Why would he explain things as they go like a narrator would? Why would he not tell more about himself and who he is?
by broken The legend in and of itself is honestly pretty interesting, especially when you go back and look at all the different versions of it and how they all are similar somehow It also would make logical sense: Leporello is often the Don's conscience in a way given how he comments on the Don and often dispenses advice to him (even if the Don never takes it). (That's actually why the Don and Leporello have the same color palette in Ensemble, besides the obvious disguising-as-each-other schtick.)It's very much like how Jiminy Cricket is the narrator of Pinocchio. They have character development and all, but they work well as a narrator because they're basically always with the hero and the one who often discusses things with the hero the most. @ - Yeah, definitely. There's really no solid argument otherwise. Yeah, kind of a symbolic shadow of the main character of sorts by broken
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 19:51:33 GMT -5
The legend in and of itself is honestly pretty interesting, especially when you go back and look at all the different versions of it and how they all are similar somehow It also would make logical sense: Leporello is often the Don's conscience in a way given how he comments on the Don and often dispenses advice to him (even if the Don never takes it). (That's actually why the Don and Leporello have the same color palette in Ensemble, besides the obvious disguising-as-each-other schtick.)It's very much like how Jiminy Cricket is the narrator of Pinocchio. They have character development and all, but they work well as a narrator because they're basically always with the hero and the one who often discusses things with the hero the most. @ - Yeah, definitely. There's really no solid argument otherwise. Yeah, kind of a symbolic shadow of the main character of sorts by broken I mean, he even musically repeats the Don multiple times. Leporello is basically the Don's foil- he is the average, earthly, type to hyphenate the Don's destructive behaviors
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Post by prophet on Oct 24, 2017 20:00:13 GMT -5
I mean, he even musically repeats the Don multiple times. Leporello is basically the Don's foil- he is the average, earthly, type to hyphenate the Don's destructive behaviors @ - Good point. By being the quiet one (who sometimes explains the Don's behavior), he makes the Don seem wild and out of control. Which he is, lol, but it's like a stark contrast. by broken
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Post by Haleigh on Oct 24, 2017 20:13:53 GMT -5
@ - Ok, sure~ I will probably take you up on that offer, lol
(Well, I'm always looking for new music ^w^ I know how it is when nobody 1) Likes your music, or 2) Doesn't care what music you like. I treat others how I want to be treated, lol. May sound lame, but whatever, hahahaha) Eh. It’s okay. Ups and downs. I’ve got a lot on my mind. (I could go into more detail if you want me to, but it’s a long story) Thanks for asking though! It means a lot. Kinda funny when someone on the internet cares about how you’re doing. Idk.
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Post by prophet on Oct 24, 2017 20:16:10 GMT -5
Eh. It’s okay. Ups and downs. I’ve got a lot on my mind. (I could go into more detail if you want me to, but it’s a long story) Thanks for asking though! It means a lot. Kinda funny when someone on the internet cares about how you’re doing. Idk. @ - You can if you want, I don't mind. Well, I can't say the same for other people, but I care about people I talk to and want to hear about their life, idk. I don't have people I can really talk to in real life, so I guess I just become that person for others? by broken
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 20:16:26 GMT -5
I mean, he even musically repeats the Don multiple times. Leporello is basically the Don's foil- he is the average, earthly, type to hyphenate the Don's destructive behaviors @ - Good point. By being the quiet one (who sometimes explains the Don's behavior), he makes the Don seem wild and out of control. Which he is, lol, but it's like a stark contrast. by broken It works from a storywise perspective honestly. It's why I don't really understand the idea of Leporello being played as a complete buffoon- looking at things from a writer's perspective, it helps the story more to make him out to be the quieter, more melancholic foil to highlight the Don's madness rather than simple comic relief, because making him a foil shows more about the Don and the general story environment.
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Post by prophet on Oct 24, 2017 20:21:18 GMT -5
@ - Good point. By being the quiet one (who sometimes explains the Don's behavior), he makes the Don seem wild and out of control. Which he is, lol, but it's like a stark contrast. by broken It works from a storywise perspective honestly. It's why I don't really understand the idea of Leporello being played as a complete buffoon- looking at things from a writer's perspective, it helps the story more to make him out to be the quieter, more melancholic foil to highlight the Don's madness rather than simple comic relief, because making him a foil shows more about the Don and the general story environment. @ - True. Yeah, well, tropes are popular for a reason and heaven forbid anyone deviate from the mold. I agree, making the Don stand out more makes them both more complex and the story more interesting
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Post by Haleigh on Oct 24, 2017 20:26:20 GMT -5
Eh. It’s okay. Ups and downs. I’ve got a lot on my mind. (I could go into more detail if you want me to, but it’s a long story) Thanks for asking though! It means a lot. Kinda funny when someone on the internet cares about how you’re doing. Idk. @ - You can if you want, I don't mind. Well, I can't say the same for other people, but I care about people I talk to and want to hear about their life, idk. I don't have people I can really talk to in real life, so I guess I just become that person for others? by broken well...It’s a boy problem...wow how unexpected woah. Not really problem...more like confessed-to-a-really-sweet-really-close-friend-of-mine-and-he-doesn’t-feel-the-same-and-we’re-still-friends-and-stuff-but-yeah. It’s been 3 months since I got kindly rejected and I can’t move on haha...so I’ve decided to just accept that I won’t move on for a while... not to mention I thought I had moved on but it was a Lie and I told my friend and now he thinks I’ve moved on but I haven’t and I kinda want to invite him to my grad party But idk it’s a Mess That’s nice of you to do...I try my best...but it’s tough to check up on so many people.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 20:34:10 GMT -5
It works from a storywise perspective honestly. It's why I don't really understand the idea of Leporello being played as a complete buffoon- looking at things from a writer's perspective, it helps the story more to make him out to be the quieter, more melancholic foil to highlight the Don's madness rather than simple comic relief, because making him a foil shows more about the Don and the general story environment. @ - True. Yeah, well, tropes are popular for a reason and heaven forbid anyone deviate from the mold. I agree, making the Don stand out more makes them both more complex and the story more interesting
by broken It also kind of helps paint the Don as who he is- a madman on a fast downward spiral, not any kind of hero. I don't know, I like my Leporellos to be the more deadpan one of the pair of them. It's one of those things that just makes more things work imo
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Post by prophet on Oct 24, 2017 20:45:17 GMT -5
well...It’s a boy problem...wow how unexpected woah. Not really problem...more like confessed-to-a-really-sweet-really-close-friend-of-mine-and-he-doesn’t-feel-the-same-and-we’re-still-friends-and-stuff-but-yeah. It’s been 3 months since I got kindly rejected and I can’t move on haha...so I’ve decided to just accept that I won’t move on for a while... not to mention I thought I had moved on but it was a Lie and I told my friend and now he thinks I’ve moved on but I haven’t and I kinda want to invite him to my grad party But idk it’s a Mess That’s nice of you to do...I try my best...but it’s tough to check up on so many people. @ - Ah. That sounds really painful, but it's good you guys are still friends. It's not awkward until you make it so, right? lol. That's good~ Well, it's your own struggle, you know? You can talk about it with him or just quietly move on, ya know? All I can say is that it's going to be hard on you the most, and if he's truly your friend he should understand that. But, you know him and you know yourself, so do whatever you think is best. That's all you can do.
I don't think it's particularly nice, lol. I just need people to talk to me so I can talk to them. It's whatever, ya know? I don't think you should over-tax yourself trying to keep on all your friends. Like I said, I don't have many people to talk to irl. I'm also asocial, so I don't go out of my way to make new friends? I have literally three friends I almost never talk to. All my social interaction is online, pretty much. I'd go crazy if I didn't have my friends here.
Speaking of, what should I call you? As a nickname? Or can I give you one?
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Post by prophet on Oct 24, 2017 20:47:57 GMT -5
@ - True. Yeah, well, tropes are popular for a reason and heaven forbid anyone deviate from the mold. I agree, making the Don stand out more makes them both more complex and the story more interesting
by broken It also kind of helps paint the Don as who he is- a madman on a fast downward spiral, not any kind of hero. I don't know, I like my Leporellos to be the more deadpan one of the pair of them. It's one of those things that just makes more things work imo @ - Accurate. Not a hero at all, unlike what crazy people argue. It'd be kinda funny to have them switch personalities as a joke some time and see the rage, lmao. by broken
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Post by Haleigh on Oct 24, 2017 21:12:35 GMT -5
well...It’s a boy problem...wow how unexpected woah. Not really problem...more like confessed-to-a-really-sweet-really-close-friend-of-mine-and-he-doesn’t-feel-the-same-and-we’re-still-friends-and-stuff-but-yeah. It’s been 3 months since I got kindly rejected and I can’t move on haha...so I’ve decided to just accept that I won’t move on for a while... not to mention I thought I had moved on but it was a Lie and I told my friend and now he thinks I’ve moved on but I haven’t and I kinda want to invite him to my grad party But idk it’s a Mess That’s nice of you to do...I try my best...but it’s tough to check up on so many people. @ - Ah. That sounds really painful, but it's good you guys are still friends. It's not awkward until you make it so, right? lol. That's good~ Well, it's your own struggle, you know? You can talk about it with him or just quietly move on, ya know? All I can say is that it's going to be hard on you the most, and if he's truly your friend he should understand that. But, you know him and you know yourself, so do whatever you think is best. That's all you can do.
I don't think it's particularly nice, lol. I just need people to talk to me so I can talk to them. It's whatever, ya know? I don't think you should over-tax yourself trying to keep on all your friends. Like I said, I don't have many people to talk to irl. I'm also asocial, so I don't go out of my way to make new friends? I have literally three friends I almost never talk to. All my social interaction is online, pretty much. I'd go crazy if I didn't have my friends here.
Speaking of, what should I call you? As a nickname? Or can I give you one?
by broken Hm...I have a couple nicknames, and you could always use my real name, but...if you want to give me one, go for it!
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Post by prophet on Oct 24, 2017 21:20:22 GMT -5
Hm...I have a couple nicknames, and you could always use my real name, but...if you want to give me one, go for it! @ - Well, then I'll give you one~ lol. I like your username, so I'll use that as a base? hmmmmm,,,, how about Dark? I know, soooo creative, lmao. I like easy nicknames. But, lemme know if it's too plain, because I can come up with a really interesting one too, it depends on where you stand ^^
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Post by Haleigh on Oct 24, 2017 21:33:42 GMT -5
Hm...I have a couple nicknames, and you could always use my real name, but...if you want to give me one, go for it! @ - Well, then I'll give you one~ lol. I like your username, so I'll use that as a base? hmmmmm,,,, how about Dark? I know, soooo creative, lmao. I like easy nicknames. But, lemme know if it's too plain, because I can come up with a really interesting one too, it depends on where you stand ^^
by broken I can say I’ve certainly been called that. If you want to find a more interesting one, you can. I’m cool with whatever. typing out a message draft thingy to try to explain to him what I’m feeling. To kinda catch him up. He’s super understanding and sweet, so I’m sure it’ll be fine. He’ll just be like ”oh okay then good to know” and that’s all I really need. Funny thing, the rejection wasn’t even personal. He just doesn’t want a girlfriend in high school. But I’m hoping I somehow change his mind one day??? I can dream
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Post by prophet on Oct 24, 2017 21:36:39 GMT -5
@ - Well, then I'll give you one~ lol. I like your username, so I'll use that as a base? hmmmmm,,,, how about Dark? I know, soooo creative, lmao. I like easy nicknames. But, lemme know if it's too plain, because I can come up with a really interesting one too, it depends on where you stand ^^
by broken I can say I’ve certainly been called that. If you want to find a more interesting one, you can. I’m cool with whatever. typing out a message draft thingy to try to explain to him what I’m feeling. To kinda catch him up. He’s super understanding and sweet, so I’m sure it’ll be fine. He’ll just be like ”oh okay then good to know” and that’s all I really need. Funny thing, the rejection wasn’t even personal. He just doesn’t want a girlfriend in high school. But I’m hoping I somehow change his mind one day??? I can dream @ - Ok, well, I'll think of one then.
That's always nice. Maybe, but I wouldn't be hopeful. I'd try to move on ^^
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Post by Haleigh on Oct 24, 2017 21:44:33 GMT -5
I can say I’ve certainly been called that. If you want to find a more interesting one, you can. I’m cool with whatever. typing out a message draft thingy to try to explain to him what I’m feeling. To kinda catch him up. He’s super understanding and sweet, so I’m sure it’ll be fine. He’ll just be like ”oh okay then good to know” and that’s all I really need. Funny thing, the rejection wasn’t even personal. He just doesn’t want a girlfriend in high school. But I’m hoping I somehow change his mind one day??? I can dream @ - Ok, well, I'll think of one then.
That's always nice. Maybe, but I wouldn't be hopeful. I'd try to move on ^^
by broken deleted it. I’ll just bring it up if it comes up in conversation. It isn’t any good to be all “there’s something I have to tell you” imo. Not like he can do anything about it. And idk. I’m patient. I can wait. I feel such a stronger attachment than I have with anyone else, and it’s just. A confusing mess. Whatever. It’s mine to deal with and no one else’s Nice. Thank you! I’m curious to see what you’ll come up with.
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Post by prophet on Oct 24, 2017 21:55:29 GMT -5
deleted it. I’ll just bring it up if it comes up in conversation. It isn’t any good to be all “there’s something I have to tell you” imo. Not like he can do anything about it. And idk. I’m patient. I can wait. I feel such a stronger attachment than I have with anyone else, and it’s just. A confusing mess. Whatever. It’s mine to deal with and no one else’s Nice. Thank you! I’m curious to see what you’ll come up with. @ - Yeah, unfortunately that's how it goes. I hope you figure it all out~ I'm here whenever you need to rant, lol ^^ Eh? Ah, no need to thank me! Lol. Of course~ And I'll tag you on my friend list real quick, so ignore, lol by broken
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Post by prophet on Oct 24, 2017 21:58:47 GMT -5
Haleigh - How about Grim? Kinda works for both your username and screenname?
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Post by Haleigh on Oct 24, 2017 22:02:44 GMT -5
Haleigh - How about Grim? Kinda works for both your username and screenname?
by broken hmm...yeah. That’s cool. Alright then. Call me Grim!
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Post by prophet on Oct 24, 2017 22:07:47 GMT -5
Haleigh - How about Grim? Kinda works for both your username and screenname?
by broken hmm...yeah. That’s cool. Alright then. Call me Grim! @ - ...are you sure? Lol
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