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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 12:25:58 GMT -5
One thing that really bothers me in this series is how the Erins treat some of the characters.
For example, Ashfur only got into StarClan because of Vicky's personal reasons (if I recall). It's not that he earned it; it's because she sympathized with him, and now the readers are blind to realize that he doesn't deserve StarClan.
TUG freaking EXCUSED Hollyleaf and said that it was an accident when she killed Ashfur. I may love Hollyleaf, but it was not an accident. In Sunrise and Hollyleaf's Story, she killed Ashfur in cold blood, stalking him like prey.
Cinderpelt was only reincarnated because she was Vicky's favorite. It wasn't for a real purpose or anything. Nope.
It just bothers me mostly because it's affected the whole Ashfur thing. Readers actually believe that he deserves to go there, whereas he really doesn't.
I just wish the Erins would stop sympathizing their characters and babying them all the damn time. Ashfur should have been in the Dark Forest, and Cinderpelt shouldn't have been reincarnated.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 17, 2017 13:17:10 GMT -5
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Post by dashingshadows on Feb 17, 2017 13:38:22 GMT -5
Yeah Ashfur didn't "love too much", unless you count him loving himself so that he cared nothing for anyone around him
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Post by owlbranch on Feb 17, 2017 14:26:16 GMT -5
I really agree
Cinderpelt/heart was reincarnated because of her destiny, but what about Smallstar? If he's meant to be a leader, why can't you just reincarnate him?
Ashfur doesn't deserve StarClan if Thistleclaw's in the dark forest.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 18, 2017 1:23:15 GMT -5
I honestly hate the whole Cinderpelt reincarnation thing just as much as I hate disabled characters suddenly becoming abled in StarClan.
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Post by Owlmoon on Feb 18, 2017 11:32:08 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't mind this, but I don't exactly like it either...
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Feb 18, 2017 14:36:28 GMT -5
I'm disabled and I think disabled characters becoming able-bodied in Starclan makes sense... Starclan has the cats at a permanent state at the time when they were happiest, and even though they accepted a disability in and life, that doesn't necessarily mean they were happy with it or not frustrated by it.
Prime example being Jayfeather and his blindness that prevents them from becoming a warrior even though he really wants to, to the point where he doesn't change to a medicine cat apprentice despite having potential until he is at a severe disadvantage in a real fight.
Another one would be Briarlight and her being crippled. For a long time, she's frustrated and believes herself to be useless. She's clearly not at her happiest then. Even though she accepted and does what she can, that doesn't mean she is not frustrated by it. Not to mention if one actually looks up what her condition really is, the prognosis is not good...
As for Cinderpelt's reincarnation, I honestly don't mind it, but I don't like it was handled. There should been a bit more explanation as to why it happened. The idea was that it wasn't her destiny to become a medicine cat, but then, comparing her to others (like Smallstar) did they have different destinies too? Was Starclan not prepared because Tigerstar was guided by the Dark Forest? Did that mean Bluestar was supposed to die after all?Or was it merely a case with her secretly being unhappy with her old life, and being restless until she got everything she wanted after a second chance?
Answers to any of those questions would've helped the reincarnation seem more natural, but instead it was just given a weak excuse and thrown in there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 14:42:03 GMT -5
I'm disabled and I think disabled characters becoming able-bodied in Starclan makes sense... Starclan has the cats at a permanent state at the time when they were happiest, and even though they accepted a disability in and life, that doesn't necessarily mean they were happy with it or not frustrated by it. Prime example being Jayfeather and his blindness that prevents them from becoming a warrior even though he really wants to, to the point where he doesn't change to a medicine cat apprentice despite having potential until he is at a severe disadvantage in a real fight. Another one would be Briarlight and her being crippled. For a long time, she's frustrated and believes herself to be useless. She's clearly not at her happiest then. Even though she accepted and does what she can, that doesn't mean she is not frustrated by it. Not to mention if one actually looks up what her condition really is, the prognosis is not good... As for Cinderpelt's reincarnation, I honestly don't mind it, but I don't like it was handled. There should been a bit more explanation as to why it happened. The idea was that it wasn't her destiny to become a medicine cat, but then, comparing her to others (like Smallstar) did they have different destinies too? Was Starclan not prepared because Tigerstar was guided by the Dark Forest? Did that mean Bluestar was supposed to die after all?Or was it merely a case with her secretly being unhappy with her old life, and being restless until she got everything she wanted after a second chance? Answers to any of those questions would've helped the reincarnation seem more natural, but instead it was just given a weak excuse and thrown in there. I don't mean to sound rude, but.. I.. never said anything about disabled characters being into StarClan? This topic was about the Erins giving their characters "special favors" whereas it's unfair to others who have done similar things or lived a shorter life.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Feb 18, 2017 14:47:02 GMT -5
@aquathepiplup
Sorry, I should have tagged that post, but didn't think about it at the time. The post about reincarnation and disabled characters was in response to what someone above me (Maplefrost) said, not you. Unfortunately, there was a post in the middle, which probably made that sound confusing.
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