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Post by Dawnrise on Feb 16, 2017 23:48:26 GMT -5
So, I think this is something that has been around since the the old forums and beyond, and I hate to say it, but I think we need to talk about Ashfur. And not debate his character or anything like that, but talk about the behavior within those debates. I can understand whatever your opinion is on the matter of Ashfur and Hollyleaf, but I think it's irrational to say that someone is a "bad person" or has "wrong morals" because of how they sympathize or interpret a fictional character. An argument stops moving forward once you begin to personally insult someone, and it excels into things that are much worse. Things work much better here if we can just calmly discuss things without typing in all caps and getting angry at each other. This applies to Ashfur attackers and supporters. I've seen some pretty rude behavior on both sides, and it seems like some people just want to rag on each other more than civilly debate the topic.
To keep this on cats, do you think Ashfur and Hollyleaf will ever make up? I hope they do.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 17, 2017 0:11:21 GMT -5
I agree, though it is a little disturbing at least to me that people will try to legitimately defend his actions and will sometimes even say he was even right to do what he did. I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course, but that still doesn't make that way of thinking any less unsettling and that's pretty much why people are so opposed whenever others try to defend Ashfur and him going to StarClan certainly doesn't help at all. I do agree things could probably be just a little more civil though.
As for your question, I highly doubt it. There's just too much bad blood between them, especially since both tried to kill the other with the only difference is that Hollyleaf actually succeeded. If anything, it's more likely they'd just avoid each other for as much as they can and Vicky believes this as well. I really see no reason why they would make up, at least not now anyway.
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Post by pastelpills on Feb 17, 2017 1:14:29 GMT -5
Agreed with what Holly and Moth said above, I really find it disturbing that someone would even say that he had right to it. My problem with most people is that they absolutely demonize Squirrelflight and pretend she is a literal hellspawn. I find that disturbing, because I have no idea what those people are actually going to do in their future. Will they grow up and realize that they were wrong, or will they stay like that? Because if they don't there might be some serious issues with their future relationships. I appreciate, it sounds unlikely, but it'd be dumb to say that it isn't a possibility.
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Post by Dawnrise on Feb 17, 2017 17:49:27 GMT -5
Agreed with what Holly and Moth said above, I really find it disturbing that someone would even say that he had right to it. My problem with most people is that they absolutely demonize Squirrelflight and pretend she is a literal hellspawn. I find that disturbing, because I have no idea what those people are actually going to do in their future. Will they grow up and realize that they were wrong, or will they stay like that? Because if they don't there might be some serious issues with their future relationships. I appreciate, it sounds unlikely, but it'd be dumb to say that it isn't a possibility. This thread is more about not attacking people for their beliefs than whether or not Ashfur deserved StarClan or what not.
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Post by Pyropelt on Feb 17, 2017 18:14:19 GMT -5
I don't think Hollyleaf will make up with Ashfur anytime soon. If they did happen to meet, I feel that it would either be awkward or they'd end up fighting. Possibly even being passive aggressive towards one another.
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Post by Owlmoon on Feb 17, 2017 20:17:26 GMT -5
I don't think Hollyleaf will make up with Ashfur anytime soon. If they did happen to meet, I feel that it would either be awkward or they'd end up fighting. Possibly even being passive aggressive towards one another. Yes, and I was never one of the people who were trying to get people to argue. I will never intentionally start an argument.
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Post by Pyropelt on Feb 18, 2017 18:16:50 GMT -5
I don't think Hollyleaf will make up with Ashfur anytime soon. If they did happen to meet, I feel that it would either be awkward or they'd end up fighting. Possibly even being passive aggressive towards one another. Yes, and I was never one of the people who were trying to get people to argue. I will never intentionally start an argument. Oh I know you're not don't worry. Same here! I wonder, if they did get in an fight who would break it up? Maybe Ferncloud? Or Lionheart?
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