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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 17, 2017 15:18:30 GMT -5
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 18, 2017 1:28:53 GMT -5
The Erins say a lot of things, but I don't remember them ever saying him choosing Nightcloud was punishment, or that he was forced to do so. I'm looking for sources too, and nothing even remotely comes up. Unless you have a source for this claim, I find it to be skeptical. And "strongly implied" can also mean, "your firm opinion". Do you have a source for the counterclaim? That specifically states he was not forced. "Nightcloud was older than Crowfeather, and was starting to feel concerned she would never have a chance to bear kits, when he asked her to be his mate. She accepted with the sincere belief that she would be able to make Crowfeather fall in love with her, but she soon realized he had only asked her in order to prove he was loyal to WindClan." - TUG. He wasn't forced, Crowfeather was the one that went to Nightcloud, and offered to be her mate.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 18, 2017 1:33:31 GMT -5
Being "forced" to do something, means against your will. Crowfeather willfully offered to be Nighcloud's mate for his OWN benefit. Not because the clan pressured him. He used Nightcloud in an attempt to make himself look good. You're forgetting it's a mutual thing. Nightcloud used him because she was desperate for kits. Don't let your Crow-hate blind you. Nightcloud didn't use him. I fail to see how Nightcloud being worried about being too old to have kits, and possibly never having any, correlates to her using Crowfeather, when she literally wanted him to fall in love with him. She wanted Crowfeather to be a loving mate, because she desired a mate like that, and kits, a family she could enjoy. There is literally nothing wrong with that. That's like saying Bumblestripe was wrong for wanting kits one day with Dovewing, or even for Dovewing to think the same with Tigerheart. Some she-cats actually dream of getting "married" and "having kids" one day, just like how irl, some women think the same. Does that mean those women are only using the men? No.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 18, 2017 1:39:03 GMT -5
Being "forced" to do something, means against your will. Crowfeather willfully offered to be Nighcloud's mate for his OWN benefit. Not because the clan pressured him. He used Nightcloud in an attempt to make himself look good. Yes, I know. I didn't mean his Clan forced him to become Nightcloud's mate, specifically. I meant that his Clan forced him to do something to restore his reputation thus prompting Crowfeather to offer Nightcloud to become mates. He didn't want to be her mate but he needed her for, like you said, his own benefit. Because if there was no need to improve his reputation he would not have offered. It also didn't matter that it was Nightcloud, it just needed to be a respected warrior, and Nightcloud happened to be able to benefit from it too. I'm guessing Crowfeather was aware of this and thus chose her. Sorry, I probably didn't phrase that too clearly. Ah, see, that makes way more sense, thank you for explaining that. So basically by "forced" you meant he thought he had no other choice, and the most convient way to get the clans trust was to take a mate period. It just happened to be Nightcloud. Honestly this just shows me even more how selfish of a character Crowfeather really is. Not just toward Nightcloud, but toward Leafpool too.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 18, 2017 3:45:23 GMT -5
Do you have a source for the counterclaim? That specifically states he was not forced. "Nightcloud was older than Crowfeather, and was starting to feel concerned she would never have a chance to bear kits, when he asked her to be his mate. She accepted with the sincere belief that she would be able to make Crowfeather fall in love with her, but she soon realized he had only asked her in order to prove he was loyal to WindClan." - TUG. He wasn't forced, Crowfeather was the one that went to Nightcloud, and offered to be her mate. Offer =/= Voluntarily. That statement does not give what I am asking. I'm asking for clear proof that he was not forced by anyone to choose a mate from WindClan. At least we have a potential statement coming from Vicky stating it was a matter of convenience. However, the statement also proves my point that she used him for kits. Having her own kits was the main goal and trying to make someone fall in love with you is wrong on several levels. The only reason why a good majority dislike Crowfeather is because he didn't treat Breezepelt like a son and instead as a nuisance. Honestly, I can understand why with how Nightcloud babies him, then turning around and feeding him nonsense because she didn't get her way. The reason why people use the "she was concerned she wouldn't have kits" is because it's very convenient for her to accept Crowfeather's offer right after he came back from his adventure. It makes her seem desperate and she was. She's a terrible character who should be given as much hate as Crowfeather because she did almost the same to him, but thought "Oh, I'll make him love me." If this was the real world, people would most likely question her sanity. If we got a SE, we could have a book that flat out says this and this and ignore guides that become outdated or have inaccurate information. If we get a SE that flat out states with no implication of Crowfeather being forced by anyone that he offered to be her mate, then I would accept that he's a crappy guy. But until then, he's just an unhappy guy with a family he's implied to have been forced with. Besides, if she jumped right into a relationship with him, do you really think she was that likable in the first place? For all we know, she could have had a thing with Mudclaw, but if she was so concerned, that gives a red flag right there.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 18, 2017 4:23:46 GMT -5
"Nightcloud was older than Crowfeather, and was starting to feel concerned she would never have a chance to bear kits, when he asked her to be his mate. She accepted with the sincere belief that she would be able to make Crowfeather fall in love with her, but she soon realized he had only asked her in order to prove he was loyal to WindClan." - TUG. He wasn't forced, Crowfeather was the one that went to Nightcloud, and offered to be her mate. Offer =/= Voluntarily. That statement does not give what I am asking. I'm asking for clear proof that he was not forced by anyone to choose a mate from WindClan. At least we have a potential statement coming from Vicky stating it was a matter of convenience. However, the statement also proves my point that she used him for kits. Having her own kits was the main goal and trying to make someone fall in love with you is wrong on several levels. The only reason why a good majority dislike Crowfeather is because he didn't treat Breezepelt like a son and instead as a nuisance. Honestly, I can understand why with how Nightcloud babies him, then turning around and feeding him nonsense because she didn't get her way. The reason why people use the "she was concerned she wouldn't have kits" is because it's very convenient for her to accept Crowfeather's offer right after he came back from his adventure. It makes her seem desperate and she was. She's a terrible character who should be given as much hate as Crowfeather because she did almost the same to him, but thought "Oh, I'll make him love me." If this was the real world, people would most likely question her sanity. If we got a SE, we could have a book that flat out says this and this and ignore guides that become outdated or have inaccurate information. If we get a SE that flat out states with no implication of Crowfeather being forced by anyone that he offered to be her mate, then I would accept that he's a crappy guy. But until then, he's just an unhappy guy with a family he's implied to have been forced with. Besides, if she jumped right into a relationship with him, do you really think she was that likable in the first place? For all we know, she could have had a thing with Mudclaw, but if she was so concerned, that gives a red flag right there. Let me say it differently. Crowfeather WILLINGLY WENT to Nightcloud and OFFERED to be her mate. Willingly = Voluntarily, smh. Rainshadow at least explained what they meant better, but you aren't. If someone WILLINGLY does something, that's literally the opposite of being force, that quote literally negates your claims, that's what I'm trying to tell you. I'm honestly tired of repeating it. You're not using the word "forced" properly, by using that word you're just victimizing Crowfeather, when he in fact is not the victim. And lol I honestly can't believe what I'm hearing. It's wrong for a woman to want to have kids one day? It's wrong for a woman to want her husband to fall in love with her? Wha?? And what nonsense did Nightcloud feed Breezepelt? The only blatant scene where either parent ever actually feeds their child, intentionally, any type of negativity, is Crowfeather. Who encouraged his son to hate mixed-blooded clan cats, just to hurt Leafpool, who visibly flinched from his words. The other is just Crowfeather's claims, about how Nightcloud is around Breezepelt. Nightcloud wouldn't have to be a helicopter parent if Crowfeather wasn't such a foxdung. He used her and he used Breezepelt, they have every right to be angry at him for how he treated them. Your point? Even if becoming mates was that of convenience feelings can change. Like Dovewing and Bumblestripe, Nightcloud wanted to give their relationship a shot. She had feelings for Crowfeather, she wanted him to feel the same way as her, and being mates, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Just like how there was nothing wrong with Nightcloud wanting a loving mate, and a family, I can't believe I have to repeat this. But when she realized that Crowfeather was just using her, she became sour toward him, and honestly, she had every right to be. She entered the relationship because Crowfeather offered to become mates, she developed feelings for him, and wanted kits, but all Crowfeather cared about was looking good in front of his clan. Literally the only reason most readers can even conclude why they stayed together so long was because Nightcloud wanted Breezepelt's father to be more involved in his life, and Crowfeather needed to use them more than ever after the secret got out. He only cared about his status. Question her sanity...?? ????? I'm sorry what? Do you even know how marriages work? A marriage is the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship. People get married to other people everyday even if they're not in love, or if the relationship is one-sided, this is very much real. And in a good portion of modern marriages, couples only stay together for their kids, or because divorcing causes more trouble. This is real. Not everyone is all rainbows and buttercups when it comes to marriage, you don't have to be in love either. It's just that for the most part people morally believe that it's something that should be done between people who are in love, because otherwise it's Death til you Part. I'd prefer her to have a thing with Mudclaw over Crowfeather, she definitely deserved better than what she got. Also considering Nightcloud is apparently a higher standard more respected senior warrior in the clan, of course Crowfeather would use her to make himself look good. He's already a crappy guy just for that. Like there is literally NOTHING forcing him to get with Nightcloud. Nothing. I highly doubt Onestar said, "Okay now pick a mate or else I'm going to exile you." That's just??? He only took a mate, didn't have to be Nightcloud specifically, could have been any she-cat that was single at the time, to save his own hide. His treatment of Nightcloud and Breezepelt is literally where all the family issues with these three even stemmed from in the first place.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 18, 2017 5:40:45 GMT -5
Offer =/= Voluntarily. That statement does not give what I am asking. I'm asking for clear proof that he was not forced by anyone to choose a mate from WindClan. At least we have a potential statement coming from Vicky stating it was a matter of convenience. However, the statement also proves my point that she used him for kits. Having her own kits was the main goal and trying to make someone fall in love with you is wrong on several levels. The only reason why a good majority dislike Crowfeather is because he didn't treat Breezepelt like a son and instead as a nuisance. Honestly, I can understand why with how Nightcloud babies him, then turning around and feeding him nonsense because she didn't get her way. The reason why people use the "she was concerned she wouldn't have kits" is because it's very convenient for her to accept Crowfeather's offer right after he came back from his adventure. It makes her seem desperate and she was. She's a terrible character who should be given as much hate as Crowfeather because she did almost the same to him, but thought "Oh, I'll make him love me." If this was the real world, people would most likely question her sanity. If we got a SE, we could have a book that flat out says this and this and ignore guides that become outdated or have inaccurate information. If we get a SE that flat out states with no implication of Crowfeather being forced by anyone that he offered to be her mate, then I would accept that he's a crappy guy. But until then, he's just an unhappy guy with a family he's implied to have been forced with. Besides, if she jumped right into a relationship with him, do you really think she was that likable in the first place? For all we know, she could have had a thing with Mudclaw, but if she was so concerned, that gives a red flag right there. Let me say it differently. Crowfeather WILLINGLY WENT to Nightcloud and OFFERED to be her mate. Willingly = Voluntarily, smh. Rainshadow at least explained what they meant better, but you aren't. If someone WILLINGLY does something, that's literally the opposite of being force, that quote literally negates your claims, that's what I'm trying to tell you. I'm honestly tired of repeating it. You're not using the word "forced" properly, by using that word you're just victimizing Crowfeather, when he in fact is not the victim. And lol I honestly can't believe what I'm hearing. It's wrong for a woman to want to have kids one day? It's wrong for a woman to want her husband to fall in love with her? Wha?? Not when it's implied he was forced to take a mate. And honestly, it's not even that far fetched. You haven't provided any claims to state their was no implication that it was forced, instead you give me something from a guide everyone is wary of using as evidence due to the inaccurate information. The lack of clear information is why I'm wanting a SE in the first place. If anything, both of them are victims to WindClan's sick ways they run their Clan. We're talking about a Clan that discriminated against cats of their own Clan, allowed a cat who left on the quest for murder to come back and lead, allowed a cat to rise to power for no reason other than "Firestar said Tallstar said so." They didn't even have Barkface ask about it. Onestar wouldn't step down, either. Crowfeather was obviously hated when he came back and at least the Erins were consistent with this. I have more sympathy for him because once again, Leafpool screws over someone she "loves" and "cares about." It's really not that far fetched given how WindClan is now and how they have acted in the past. I can see Onestar telling Crowfeather to pick a mate if he wants to be loyal. Keep in mind this is also a leader who made a Dark Forest trainee deputy, kept an obvious traitor in their ranks, and other things.
It is wrong once it turns into obsession because then you become selfish. For Nightcloud, if she was desperate enough to accept a cat that she had no romantic feelings for, then that's screwed up. Also, you don't get married then fall in love. That's not how marriage works. Once she realized things didn't go her way, she could have left. Something that's easier than real life considering Breezepelt was her little boy. She spread lies about Crowfeather not loving them or caring for them and this didn't really allow him to get close. She smothered him while he tried to get attention by acting poorly. I like Crowfeather, but I do recognize the faults in him. However, I also recognize the faults in Nightcloud, which in my opinion makes her as bad if not worse. She probably spread those lies because she didn't get what she wanted. And what nonsense did Nightcloud feed Breezepelt? The only blatant scene where either parent ever actually feeds their child, intentionally, any type of negativity, is Crowfeather. Who encouraged his son to hate mixed-blooded clan cats, just to hurt Leafpool, who visibly flinched from his words. The other is just Crowfeather's claims, about how Nightcloud is around Breezepelt. Nightcloud wouldn't have to be a helicopter parent if Crowfeather wasn't such a foxdung. He used her and he used Breezepelt, they have every right to be angry at him for how he treated them. Your point? Even if becoming mates was that of convenience feelings can change. Like Dovewing and Bumblestripe, Nightcloud wanted to give their relationship a shot. She had feelings for Crowfeather, she wanted him to feel the same way as her, and being mates, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Just like how there was nothing wrong with Nightcloud wanting a loving mate, and a family, I can't believe I have to repeat this. But when she realized that Crowfeather was just using her, she became sour toward him, and honestly, she had every right to be. She entered the relationship because Crowfeather offered to become mates, she developed feelings for him, and wanted kits, but all Crowfeather cared about was looking good in front of his clan. Literally the only reason most readers can even conclude why they stayed together so long was because Nightcloud wanted Breezepelt's father to be more involved in his life, and Crowfeather needed to use them more than ever after the secret got out. He only cared about his status. Yet Breezepelt is a grown cat and if she wasn't messed up in the head and obsessed with getting what she wants, she would have left. She got what she wanted, she's just an idiot for not leaving him. It's also again why I have no sympathy for her.Question her sanity...?? ????? I'm sorry what? Yes, because entering a relationship with the intention of making someone love you is pretty messed up. Do you even know how marriages work? Yes I do, don't get rude with me. A marriage is the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship. People get married to other people everyday even if they're not in love, or if the relationship is one-sided, this is very much real. Which is messed up and shouldn't be the case at all. And in a good portion of modern marriages, couples only stay together for their kids, or because divorcing causes more trouble. This is real. Not everyone is all rainbows and buttercups when it comes to marriage, you don't have to be in love either. It's just that for the most part people morally believe that it's something that should be done between people who are in love, because otherwise it's Death til you Part. I'd prefer her to have a thing with Mudclaw over Crowfeather, she definitely deserved better than what she got. Also considering Nightcloud is apparently a higher standard more respected senior warrior in the clan, of course Crowfeather would use her to make himself look good. He's already a crappy guy just for that. Like there is literally NOTHING forcing him to get with Nightcloud. Nothing. I highly doubt Onestar said, "Okay now pick a mate or else I'm going to exile you." That's just??? He only took a mate, didn't have to be Nightcloud specifically, could have been any she-cat that was single at the time, to save his own hide. His treatment of Nightcloud and Breezepelt is literally where all the family issues with these three even stemmed from in the first place. She really didn't deserve better. While I like the idea of MudxNight, I don't think she deserves him, especially with how you're convincing me she has unhealthy relationship thoughts/tendencies/whatever. Again, if you think making someone love you is okay, then that's messed up. And if the end goal was to have kits, she got what she wanted. Hell, she won for the most part while Crowfeather is still hated. I don't get why people are like: OMG HE USED HER, HE'S THE DEVIL!!! Considering people can argue she used him as well, which evidence in the books implies, it shows she isn't much better. My opinion isn't going to change and again, until we get a clear chain of events giving us details like "Was Crowfeather forced by his Clan to take a mate?" I will continue to think he was forced. Heck, for all we know it could have been like Bumblestripe and Dovewing where she may have liked him and he was pressured, not forced this time. We. Don't. Know. For. Sure.
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Post by Sand on Feb 18, 2017 5:53:16 GMT -5
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 18, 2017 7:29:58 GMT -5
"Implied" doesn't equal 100% canon, and what one thinks of as implied can again be their own strong opinion.
Onestar telling Crowfeather to pick a mate just to seem loyal is so illogical...its not even funny.
And Leafpool choosing her clan over Crowfeather suddenly makes her the bad guy??
I don't know how many time I have to explain that not all marriage are clear cut dry, black and white, and the same every single time...
When...what??? When did Nightcloud spread lies about Crowfeather not loving them or caring for them???? Where are you getting this?? And how is Nightcloud, who trying to make sure her neglected son has a father, an idiot??? That's like saying any wife that stays with a husband, in a loveless marriage for the children's sake, is an idiot. Just because they're fictional cats, literally doesn't make things any less complicating, even more so when the Erins said they're like little furry people.
???? A relationship is literally all about wanting to have a mutual attraction. It doesn't just, BAM, happen just like that. Crowfeather was the one that pursued Leafpool, because he was still keeling over his feelings for Feathertail. His confession to Leafpool made her think about her own feelings, eventually making what they had, yeah eventually, mutual. There is nothing wrong with wanting the person you love to love you back, like Crowfeather did with Leafpool, seriously....You're not telling them, oh they MUST love me, it's actually longing of wanting them to. There's a difference.
Messed up? That's your opinion. But it's reality, and it's common in marriages.
Imo, she deserves better.
She deserves better than a cat that only wanted to use her for his status to cover up his own mistakes. A cat that never cared for her, even when she did have feelings for him at one point. A cat who was cold, and still used them even after the secret got out. And again, please, there's a difference between longing and demanding for someone to return your feelings. Longing is for hope, wishful, while demanding, is obligatory. Nightcloud truly did have feelings for Crowfeather, stated by Vicky, but after realizing he was using her she disliked him. Also how can you criticize me for using a quote from TUG when you are also using the quote for the "making someone love you" argument, which came from the very same line? If my quote is outdated, then so is the argument you're trying to make against Nightcloud.
Implications =/= Facts.
You have no evidence that Crowfeather was forced. What's even more ironic is that the "trying to make someone love you is wrong" claim, and the "forced to take a mate" claim came from TUG too. So again like you said, "instead you give me something from a guide everyone is wary of using as evidence due to the inaccurate information" can again be used right back at your own argument.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 18, 2017 7:34:04 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm not raging or anything. Just thoroughly confused. I hope I'm not causing any trouble.
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Post by Sand on Feb 18, 2017 11:05:30 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm not raging or anything. Just thoroughly confused. I hope I'm not causing any trouble. No problem, I'm going to keep an eye on this thread since some things have been getting out of control in this sub forum.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 18, 2017 13:53:40 GMT -5
"Implied" doesn't equal 100% canon, and what one thinks of as implied can again be their own strong opinion. Onestar telling Crowfeather to pick a mate just to seem loyal is so illogical...its not even funny. And Leafpool choosing her clan over Crowfeather suddenly makes her the bad guy?? I don't know how many time I have to explain that not all marriage are clear cut dry, black and white, and the same every single time... When...what??? When did Nightcloud spread lies about Crowfeather not loving them or caring for them???? Where are you getting this?? And how is Nightcloud, who trying to make sure her neglected son has a father, an idiot??? That's like saying any wife that stays with a husband, in a loveless marriage for the children's sake, is an idiot. Just because they're fictional cats, literally doesn't make things any less complicating, even more so when the Erins said they're like little furry people. ???? A relationship is literally all about wanting to have a mutual attraction. It doesn't just, BAM, happen just like that. Crowfeather was the one that pursued Leafpool, because he was still keeling over his feelings for Feathertail. His confession to Leafpool made her think about her own feelings, eventually making what they had, yeah eventually, mutual. There is nothing wrong with wanting the person you love to love you back, like Crowfeather did with Leafpool, seriously....You're not telling them, oh they MUST love me, it's actually longing of wanting them to. There's a difference. Messed up? That's your opinion. But it's reality, and it's common in marriages. Imo, she deserves better. She deserves better than a cat that only wanted to use her for his status to cover up his own mistakes. A cat that never cared for her, even when she did have feelings for him at one point. A cat who was cold, and still used them even after the secret got out. And again, please, there's a difference between longing and demanding for someone to return your feelings. Longing is for hope, wishful, while demanding, is obligatory. Nightcloud truly did have feelings for Crowfeather, stated by Vicky, but after realizing he was using her she disliked him. Also how can you criticize me for using a quote from TUG when you are also using the quote for the "making someone love you" argument, which came from the very same line? If my quote is outdated, then so is the argument you're trying to make against Nightcloud. Implications =/= Facts. You have no evidence that Crowfeather was forced. What's even more ironic is that the "trying to make someone love you is wrong" claim, and the "forced to take a mate" claim came from TUG too. So again like you said, "instead you give me something from a guide everyone is wary of using as evidence due to the inaccurate information" can again be used right back at your own argument. You're not really listening, we're repeating overselves because I've stated my argument. This wasn't even meant to be a debate thread, but you took offense because no one wants to be with Nightcloud and I pointed that out by saying he was forced. I've pointed out several times we have only been given implications and potentially inaccurate information. There's no clear answer. I've been admitting that while you're trying to use potentially inaccurate information to help your argument that you're only making me hate Nightcloud more in. It's also not that far fetched if you look at WindClan's society. I'm done repeating myself because you appear to be getting angry because I don't hate Crowfeather and worship Nightcloud like you do. You didn't even need to turn this into a debate. There was no need to.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 18, 2017 17:07:34 GMT -5
You weren't using the term "forced" properly though, so....
And if you hate Nightcloud, good for you, you're free to have your own feelings. But don't get on my case about being "blinded by Crowfeather hate" when the same can be said about you and Nightcloud.
And I'm not angry, just severely confused by some of your arguments because imo they don't make sense in the least. I don't "worship" Nightcloud, so don't make claims about me, your passive aggressiveness is unnecessary.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 18, 2017 17:59:48 GMT -5
You weren't using the term "forced" properly though, so.... And if you hate Nightcloud, good for you, you're free to have your own feelings. But don't get on my case about being "blinded by Crowfeather hate" when the same can be said about you and Nightcloud. And I'm not angry, just severely confused by some of your arguments because imo they don't make sense in the least. I don't "worship" Nightcloud, so don't make claims about me, your passive aggressiveness is unnecessary. Unlike you, I recognize Crowfeather's flaws and don't completely blame them on other people. I do blame Leafpool son. Also, I was using it correctly, you're just too stubborn to listen. Your arguments are repetitive and regurgitating the same information in hopes of slamming Crow down and putting Night on a pedestal. Here:
force - coercion or compulsion, especially with the use or threat of violence.
Funny how WindClan was aggressive to Crow when he got back and suddenly CrowxNight is a thing. It's not far fetched for him to be forced to take a mate. I'm done. Stop insulting me and egging me on or I'm just going to report. You've been far more passive aggressive than me and I'm sick of it. Good-bye.
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Post by Sand on Feb 18, 2017 18:17:00 GMT -5
You weren't using the term "forced" properly though, so.... And if you hate Nightcloud, good for you, you're free to have your own feelings. But don't get on my case about being "blinded by Crowfeather hate" when the same can be said about you and Nightcloud. And I'm not angry, just severely confused by some of your arguments because imo they don't make sense in the least. I don't "worship" Nightcloud, so don't make claims about me, your passive aggressiveness is unnecessary. Unlike you, I recognize Crowfeather's flaws and don't completely blame them on other people. I do blame Leafpool son. Also, I was using it correctly, you're just too stubborn to listen. Your arguments are repetitive and regurgitating the same information in hopes of slamming Crow down and putting Night on a pedestal. Here:
force - coercion or compulsion, especially with the use or threat of violence.
Funny how WindClan was aggressive to Crow when he got back and suddenly CrowxNight is a thing. It's not far fetched for him to be forced to take a mate. I'm done. Stop insulting me and egging me on or I'm just going to report. You've been far more passive aggressive than me and I'm sick of it. Good-bye. I originally posted here to keep an eye on this thread seeing as topics in this board can get out of hand. Consider this a warning of sorts; being rude because you're either: a.) confused, b.) trying to state you're right and they're not, or c.) you no longer want to debate. There is no need to insult nor be derogatory towards a person. You can simply say "agree to disagree" or end it without coming off harsh, rude and accuse the other of things. Walk away, do not reply and leave it be.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 18, 2017 19:54:44 GMT -5
Don't worry I'm done, I don't see any point in replying to a person thats constantly making assumptions about me as a person instead of staying focused on the actual argument and being rude when all I wanted was an explanation. I no longer want to debate, it's not worth the trouble. With that being said, have a nice day I guess.
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Post by Sand on Feb 18, 2017 20:08:26 GMT -5
Locking & enabling falling on thread; don't need anyone to aggravate another at this point.
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