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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 15, 2017 16:01:15 GMT -5
On Crowfeather and Nightcloud. Instead of it being on perspective, it shares both. We know Nightcloud wanted kits and that Crowfeather was forced to take a mate from WindClan, but I think it would be interesting to see how it unfolded, who approached who, and all of that jazz.
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Post by lazy penguin on Feb 15, 2017 16:03:23 GMT -5
See it would be interesting, but incredibly bias. Like I'd prefer to have a SE on a cat in WindClan at the time and watch it from a nonbias party.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 15, 2017 16:05:41 GMT -5
See it would be interesting, but incredibly bias. Like I'd prefer to have a SE on a cat in WindClan at the time and watch it from a nonbias party. It'll be bias no matter what. They Erins have made statements in and out of the books against each so we don't have a firm stance on either coming from the authors.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 16:13:29 GMT -5
I am still a firm believer that Nightcloud is NOT innocent. Heck, I even wrote a fanfic about how nightcloud is just as bad as crowfeather (wattpad @ashleykakeru self plug!)
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 15, 2017 16:17:19 GMT -5
I am still a firm believer that Nightcloud is NOT innocent. Heck, I even wrote a fanfic about how nightcloud is just as bad as crowfeather (wattpad @ashleykakeru self plug!) Neither are innocent, but I still dislike Nightcloud. I just want something official that can kinda close the gaps a bit.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 15, 2017 16:17:46 GMT -5
I would definitely read this, just so we can get the full story, especially on Nightcloud's side.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Feb 15, 2017 16:54:23 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think an SE would be necessary though. A novella would do just fine, and also be one I'd totally read. Maybe even from Breezepelt's perspective
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 15, 2017 16:55:58 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think an SE would be necessary though. A novella would do just fine, and also be one I'd totally read. Maybe even from Breezepelt's perspective A SE is better because a novella would be very rushed.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Feb 15, 2017 16:59:00 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think an SE would be necessary though. A novella would do just fine, and also be one I'd totally read. Maybe even from Breezepelt's perspective A SE is better because a novella would be very rushed. I honestly don't think there's enough for an SE. A novella would be perfect length, especially if it's only to show how their relationship got that way. It soured right after Breezepelt's apprenticeship. So really it wouldn't be rushed if done right. It's not like this would be spanning a great length of time, like say GC--that actually should have been an SE.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 15, 2017 17:10:06 GMT -5
A SE is better because a novella would be very rushed. I honestly don't think there's enough for an SE. A novella would be perfect length, especially if it's only to show how their relationship got that way. It soured right after Breezepelt's apprenticeship. So really it wouldn't be rushed if done right. It's not like this would be spanning a great length of time, like say GC--that actually should have been an SE. But the novellas haven't been written well lately. The SE would detail the moment he got back to WindClan and how they came to be a couple and so on.
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Post by mymerlincat on Feb 15, 2017 17:12:46 GMT -5
The way I always imagined it was that Nightcloud had a crush on Crowfeather, who, wanting to prove his loyalty to WC and move past the Leafpool debacle, went along with it.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 15, 2017 17:15:13 GMT -5
The way I always imagined it was that Nightcloud had a crush on Crowfeather, who, wanting to prove his loyalty to WC and move past the Leafpool debacle, went along with it. It's strongly hinted he was forced and I think it was even mentioned by Vicky at one point.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 15, 2017 17:24:10 GMT -5
The way I always imagined it was that Nightcloud had a crush on Crowfeather, who, wanting to prove his loyalty to WC and move past the Leafpool debacle, went along with it. It's strongly hinted he was forced and I think it was even mentioned by Vicky at one point. Well, there's all sorts of information that have to do with CrowxNight, and Su said that it's all kinda correct (at least when it comes to some info saying he admired her while others say he resented her), that Crowfeather did like Nightcloud at first, but he did not love her, but he still took her as a mate to also prove his loyality to WindClan, as well as adding that they have a really complicated relationship.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 15, 2017 17:31:32 GMT -5
It's strongly hinted he was forced and I think it was even mentioned by Vicky at one point. Well, there's all sorts of information that have to do with CrowxNight, and Su said that it's all kinda correct (at least when it comes to some info saying he admired her while others say he resented her), that Crowfeather did like Nightcloud at first, but he did not love her, but he still took her as a mate to also prove his loyality to WindClan, as well as adding that they have a really complicated relationship. I just think a book detailing it would kinda set things right, you know? The Erins can't continue to flip flop.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 15, 2017 17:39:59 GMT -5
Well, there's all sorts of information that have to do with CrowxNight, and Su said that it's all kinda correct (at least when it comes to some info saying he admired her while others say he resented her), that Crowfeather did like Nightcloud at first, but he did not love her, but he still took her as a mate to also prove his loyality to WindClan, as well as adding that they have a really complicated relationship. I just think a book detailing it would kinda set things right, you know? The Erins can't continue to flip flop. Yeah, I definitely get what you're saying.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 15, 2017 18:32:35 GMT -5
On Crowfeather and Nightcloud. Instead of it being on perspective, it shares both. We know Nightcloud wanted kits and that Crowfeather was forced to take a mate from WindClan, but I think it would be interesting to see how it unfolded, who approached who, and all of that jazz. Crowfeather wasn't forced to do anything. It was Crowfeather that went to Nightcloud with the offer to be mates.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 15, 2017 20:06:33 GMT -5
On Crowfeather and Nightcloud. Instead of it being on perspective, it shares both. We know Nightcloud wanted kits and that Crowfeather was forced to take a mate from WindClan, but I think it would be interesting to see how it unfolded, who approached who, and all of that jazz. Crowfeather wasn't forced to do anything. It was Crowfeather that went to Nightcloud with the offer to be mates. Pretty sure one of the Erins said he was forced and it was a punishment, I also rememeber it being mention or strongly implied in the books.
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Post by Rainshadow on Feb 16, 2017 14:10:51 GMT -5
Nightcloud is currently a character that, to me, is uninteresting and that I dislike from what we've seen of her. However, a book detailing the agreement between her and Crowfeather, showing how their individual intentions aligned and caused them to make a deal and become mates, only for their different wishes to cause them their relation to grow sour, would be interesting. Such backstory/context could actually make Nightcloud an interesting character for me. I quite like this idea.
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Post by Rainshadow on Feb 16, 2017 14:12:17 GMT -5
Crowfeather wasn't forced to do anything. It was Crowfeather that went to Nightcloud with the offer to be mates. That he made the offer doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't forced into it by his Clan and its expectations.
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Post by Dawnrise on Feb 16, 2017 23:10:20 GMT -5
I don''t know if an SE would be necessary, but I'd rather have it over Tiger and Dove (although I'm hoping that will be better than expected.)
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 17, 2017 7:30:36 GMT -5
Crowfeather wasn't forced to do anything. It was Crowfeather that went to Nightcloud with the offer to be mates. Pretty sure one of the Erins said he was forced and it was a punishment, I also rememeber it being mention or strongly implied in the books. The Erins say a lot of things, but I don't remember them ever saying him choosing Nightcloud was punishment, or that he was forced to do so. I'm looking for sources too, and nothing even remotely comes up. Unless you have a source for this claim, I find it to be skeptical. And "strongly implied" can also mean, "your firm opinion".
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 17, 2017 7:31:49 GMT -5
Crowfeather wasn't forced to do anything. It was Crowfeather that went to Nightcloud with the offer to be mates. That he made the offer doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't forced into it by his Clan and its expectations. Being "forced" to do something, means against your will. Crowfeather willfully offered to be Nighcloud's mate for his OWN benefit. Not because the clan pressured him. He used Nightcloud in an attempt to make himself look good.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 17, 2017 9:55:27 GMT -5
While this would be interesting, I certainly think the next SE should belong to Tawnypelt. That is a perspective I've been DYING to see!
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 17, 2017 13:19:10 GMT -5
While this would be interesting, I certainly think the next SE should belong to Tawnypelt. That is a perspective I've been DYING to see! We're already getting a SE from ShadowClan. If anything, a SE should go to RiverClan.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 17, 2017 13:19:57 GMT -5
That he made the offer doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't forced into it by his Clan and its expectations. Being "forced" to do something, means against your will. Crowfeather willfully offered to be Nighcloud's mate for his OWN benefit. Not because the clan pressured him. He used Nightcloud in an attempt to make himself look good. You're forgetting it's a mutual thing. Nightcloud used him because she was desperate for kits. Don't let your Crow-hate blind you.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 17, 2017 13:20:52 GMT -5
Pretty sure one of the Erins said he was forced and it was a punishment, I also rememeber it being mention or strongly implied in the books. The Erins say a lot of things, but I don't remember them ever saying him choosing Nightcloud was punishment, or that he was forced to do so. I'm looking for sources too, and nothing even remotely comes up. Unless you have a source for this claim, I find it to be skeptical. And "strongly implied" can also mean, "your firm opinion". Do you have a source for the counterclaim? That specifically states he was not forced.
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Post by Rainshadow on Feb 17, 2017 13:24:59 GMT -5
That he made the offer doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't forced into it by his Clan and its expectations. Being "forced" to do something, means against your will. Crowfeather willfully offered to be Nighcloud's mate for his OWN benefit. Not because the clan pressured him. He used Nightcloud in an attempt to make himself look good. Yes, I know. I didn't mean his Clan forced him to become Nightcloud's mate, specifically. I meant that his Clan forced him to do something to restore his reputation thus prompting Crowfeather to offer Nightcloud to become mates. He didn't want to be her mate but he needed her for, like you said, his own benefit. Because if there was no need to improve his reputation he would not have offered. It also didn't matter that it was Nightcloud, it just needed to be a respected warrior, and Nightcloud happened to be able to benefit from it too. I'm guessing Crowfeather was aware of this and thus chose her. Sorry, I probably didn't phrase that too clearly.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 17, 2017 14:03:47 GMT -5
While this would be interesting, I certainly think the next SE should belong to Tawnypelt. That is a perspective I've been DYING to see! We're already getting a SE from ShadowClan. If anything, a SE should go to RiverClan. Yeah, an SE from the perspective of Tigerheart. Oh joy, Tigerheart and Dovewing, how exciting. I'm not very excited for that one. Though, a Riverclan one does sound nice. I do like Riverclan.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 17, 2017 14:56:45 GMT -5
We're already getting a SE from ShadowClan. If anything, a SE should go to RiverClan. Yeah, an SE from the perspective of Tigerheart. Oh joy, Tigerheart and Dovewing, how exciting. I'm not very excited for that one. Though, a Riverclan one does sound nice. I do like Riverclan. I'm not too thrilled on it, either.
Unfortunately, we don't know much about the cats in RiverClan to warrant a SE unless we go into the past and that kinda seems out of place.
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