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Post by ʀʜʏᴇʟʟᴀ on Aug 2, 2016 22:35:37 GMT -5
Since when has liking Millie been popular? I'm genuinely confused. On the recent "unpopular opinions" thread, there were six mentions of disliking Millie last time I checked. But everywhere Warriors fans gather (including sites like DeviantArt, Youtube, Tumblr, etc that aren't Warriors-only), I've only seen overwhelming hatred of Millie, with a few dissenting opinions. Yes, I've seen pro-Millie rants here, but is it really common now? So let's see the opinion of WCRP, certainly not enough to judge the fandom as a whole, but just to get an idea of us here. Is Millie really a well-liked character?
disclaimer: title was a kinda-joke edit: I'll lock the poll in a month or so, and make a new post with the conclusion then
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Post by Yoshimi on Aug 2, 2016 22:41:14 GMT -5
I don't like her. But she does not deserve all this hate.
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Post by Brownie on Aug 2, 2016 22:59:08 GMT -5
I'm neutral/dislike on her. Aqua gave a good speech, and that's the only reason she's not on the dislike/hate list anymore.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Aug 3, 2016 4:16:28 GMT -5
I've just never liked her for some reason. Silverstream bias maybe? I don't really have a good reason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 5:08:57 GMT -5
I've always disliked Millie due to her parenting skills. But I think the Erin's are trying to make her more likable.
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remember that scene from up with the old man? Yeah. Sad.
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Post by ❆αυяσяα on Aug 3, 2016 5:19:40 GMT -5
i like her more than silverstream soooo i guess i like her?? p neutral tho
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Post by Cheyenne on Aug 3, 2016 9:35:10 GMT -5
Millie's a terrible mother and the Erins tried too hard to replace Silverstream...
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Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 3, 2016 9:37:37 GMT -5
People think disliking Millie is an unpopular opinion?
Anyway, I personally like her, but I don't care too much for her as a mother, either.
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Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 3, 2016 9:39:59 GMT -5
Millie's a terrible mother and the Erins tried too hard to replace Silverstream... Millie was never meant to replace Silverstream in the first place. For one, she acts nothing like Silverstream. And second of all, she's based on a real cat belonging to one of Vicky's friends, but Vicky didn't know said cat looked like Silverstream until after she promised her friend that his cat would be in the book.
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Post by Cheyenne on Aug 3, 2016 9:42:35 GMT -5
Millie's a terrible mother and the Erins tried too hard to replace Silverstream... Millie was never meant to replace Silverstream in the first place. For one, she acts nothing like Silverstream. And second of all, she's based a real cat belonging to one of Vicky's friends, but Vicky didn't know said cat looked like Silverstream until after she promised her friend that his cat would be in the book. Well, that's what all of my friends who read warrior say...at fist I didn't get why they hated her until later in the series...
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Post by Basement Cat on Aug 3, 2016 10:13:57 GMT -5
I would hope an abusive, neglectful parent wouldn't have much of a fanclub. Whether or not they took a warrior name or not doesn't matter.
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Sootfeather
Now a BNHA addict. Mina Ashido is the best girl and I will fight you all on that.
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Post by Sootfeather on Aug 3, 2016 10:29:34 GMT -5
Millie was never meant to replace Silverstream in the first place. For one, she acts nothing like Silverstream. And second of all, she's based a real cat belonging to one of Vicky's friends, but Vicky didn't know said cat looked like Silverstream until after she promised her friend that his cat would be in the book. Well, that's what all of my friends who read warrior say...at fist I didn't get why they hated her until later in the series... Many people think that for some reason.
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Post by ❄️Raccoonstep❄️ on Aug 3, 2016 10:50:43 GMT -5
Neutral.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 11:35:42 GMT -5
I think liking and not hating Millie has always been fairly popular. They're just too scared to voice their opinions- like myself. After all, if you don't hate Millie, you must be a terrible person, right? XD
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Post by ʀʜʏᴇʟʟᴀ on Aug 3, 2016 11:36:38 GMT -5
I think liking and not hating Millie has always been fairly popular. They're just too scared to voice their opinions- like myself. After all, if you don't hate Millie, you must be a terrible person, right? XD Hmm, that makes sense.
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Post by ʀʜʏᴇʟʟᴀ on Aug 3, 2016 20:40:23 GMT -5
I would hope an abusive, neglectful parent wouldn't have much of a fanclub. Whether or not they took a warrior name or not doesn't matter. The title wasn't entirely serious, just referring to how so many people think Millie is popular. I can't even imagine a Millie fanclub, honestly. I don't see anyone that's mentioned her name yet. By the way, I love your avatar.
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Post by ʀʜʏᴇʟʟᴀ on Aug 3, 2016 20:41:27 GMT -5
Well, that's what all of my friends who read warrior say...at fist I didn't get why they hated her until later in the series... Many people think that for some reason. Probably because Millie and Silverstream have similar descriptions.
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Post by McFlurry on Aug 3, 2016 20:55:00 GMT -5
She's not a very good parent, but before she turned into one I liked her. She was cool in the Graystripe comic book.
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Post by ʀʜʏᴇʟʟᴀ on Aug 3, 2016 22:22:42 GMT -5
She's not a very good parent, but before she turned into one I liked her. She was cool in the Graystripe comic book. Precisely how I feel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 23:40:46 GMT -5
millie is disgusting and can die a painful fictional death
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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Aug 4, 2016 0:06:02 GMT -5
I like Millie. She's an interesting character with realistic reactions and actual stressors, like her daughter slowly dying a cruel and painful death, that affect her actions and thought process. She's proven her loyalty time and time again, and has stood up for what she believes in, even if it was against popular opinion. I really admire her for that.
But apparently, getting frustrated at your [ADULT] daughter for being the careless grown cat she is means you're a terrible parent. No, it means you're a realistic parent. Parents yell at their kids. It happens. They're human (or sentient cats). I don't know why everyone gets mad about this. Was it ideal? No, but Blossomfall was being dumb and sometimes you just need to learn the hard way. If Blossom was a young apprentice, then yes, I'd say that Millie should have paid more attention to her. But she wasn't. She was already well into being a warrior and should've known better. If you're 30 years old, and you get hurt doing something stupid like skydiving or something, but you're still okay enough to go to the hospital on your own, you can't expect your mother, who's already devoting all her energy caring for your paraplegic, dying sibling, to drop everything and treat you like a baby. My mom would lecture me into the next century about being that dumb, no sympathy included. But that's okay. BECAUSE IT WAS MY FAULT AND I NEEDED TO OWN UP TO IT.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. In the Warriors universe, mothers don't usually fret over their children once they become warriors. I've yet to see Frostfur freaking out over Brackenfur, or Daisy panic over any of her grown kits after a battle. Why? Because they're old enough to make their own decisions. Sandstorm was probably one of the few that did freak out after Squirrelflight got badly injured and that was much worse that Blossomfall's wounds,
I just don't understand all the hate she gets :/ Hollyleaf is loved by the fandom and she's done so much worse. That feel when getting frustrated at your careless daughter is less accepted than murder, betrayal, and attempted matricide.
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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Aug 4, 2016 0:10:44 GMT -5
I think liking and not hating Millie has always been fairly popular. They're just too scared to voice their opinions- like myself. After all, if you don't hate Millie, you must be a terrible person, right? XD Agreed. It's sad really.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 0:39:22 GMT -5
I don't like Millie
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 4, 2016 1:37:00 GMT -5
I would hope an abusive, neglectful parent wouldn't have much of a fanclub. Whether or not they took a warrior name or not doesn't matter.
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Post by ʀʜʏᴇʟʟᴀ on Aug 9, 2016 18:04:21 GMT -5
bump
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Post by Marcel on Aug 9, 2016 20:52:10 GMT -5
Millie is fine in my book I suppose. She's just really... iffy with me. Personally I think that Graystripe shouldn't have gotten another mate, especially one that looks so much like Silverstream. It bothers me a bit, but her reactions to Blossomfall and her fretting over Briarlight are realistic and acceptable. I have no complaints other than on her description.
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Post by Moon on Aug 10, 2016 11:34:26 GMT -5
I don't understand why everyone's so upset about Millie's actions. Her children are adults when she begins paying too much attention to the physically disabled Briarlight. They're not kits who need their mother anymore. They were raised to what is basically cat adulthood with no trouble. She was no longer a parent who was raising her children and all of them were at a point you could compare to being moved out/at college in real life. Blossomfall was an adult who did not need her mothers attention to grow. Honestly the fact this was a THEME in Omen of the Stars kind of confuses me, especially when put into the perspective that the clans operate like large families where they are getting attention and recognition from everyone-- And the fact that the cats mentors as apprentices are acting in some way as parents as well. I mean, I guess it makes more sense when you put it into this category: tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WellDoneSonGuy But even then, the warrior cats universe operates in a way that who you're trying to impress is usually your leader and your mentor- not your parents. Breezepelt and Blossomfall's issues apply better to real life than they do to their own setting, where they're basically nonsensical.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 14:23:31 GMT -5
Honestly the fact this was a THEME in Omen of the Stars kind of confuses me, especially when put into the perspective that the clans operate like large families where they are getting attention and recognition from everyone-- And the fact that the cats mentors as apprentices are acting in some way as parents as well. Breezepelt and Blossomfall's issues apply better to real life than they do to their own setting, where they're basically nonsensical. *warning- rant to spill stuff I've been keeping in for years. Please don't take offense* ^ Exactly! This is what frustrated me the most about OOTS. They constantly pulled the "unloved kids joining a bad crowd" card... when they had their entire clan that loved them o.o" and the entire clan was family. They had over 30 family members they could turn to within 6 feet of them for comfort! They tell that to medicine cats over and over and over again- so why are ordinary warriors excluded, forced into a box with just their parents and siblings, and acted like they have no one else? What makes them any different than medicine cats? They're all related in some way, they interact with each other on a daily basis, and they are almost never alone, unless they choose to. Or if they are, they have a clanmate right nextdoor- no, not a clanmate, sometimes 40 of them. Every single day for the rest of their life. You will never truly be alone unless you leave the clan and it's territory. I do think that plot fits very well in a real life setting- where families are often much, much more isolated, relationships and loyalty are not always there, and not all families fight for each other and defend each other. If anyone has been in the sports team, or read a war story- people who fight for their lives for each other get super close- because not only do they have to for survival/winning the game, but you gain skills together/you learn how to work together/ and you become not only a family, but a team. People who have gone through very hard things together never feel the same with each other again. The clans aren't just a group of isolated families- they are one giant extended family who live together, work together, and survive together. I get these are books about furry people, but still, this really frustrated me and I wish the writing hadn't been so lazy ...ok I got that all out now -_-" sorry I've been holding it in for so long and I just had to spill it. That post was exactly how I've been feeling ^^"
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Post by ʀʜʏᴇʟʟᴀ on Aug 27, 2016 9:46:45 GMT -5
bump
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Post by Wicked Witch on Aug 27, 2016 12:38:24 GMT -5
-she gave me quite the first impression when she had that stare-down with Blackstar in The Sight. -i personally disagree with her choice in not accepting a warrior name but good for her for making her own choices. -and I wasn't really mad with the whole Blossomfall thing. as a grown cat, Blossomfall should be responsible to provide herself with the care she needs. this is no longer Millie's duty. however, her reaction to briarlight, as said before in this thread, was realistic to me and i found it interesting.
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