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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 10:32:54 GMT -5
I see a lot of users on this forum complain A LOT of about Su Susann. From what Susann comments on facebook, she seems to be a fairly civil person. Yes it is somewhat unusual for a fan to be answering questions about a work, but she seems to do a good job. The offical authors don't seem to mind, and actually seem to enjoy it. It at least it seemingly helps Vicky Holmes take a break from answering a barrage of questions about the series on her facebook page. Why don't several users don't like her so much?
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Post by Woofzie on Jan 29, 2017 10:56:07 GMT -5
Nothing is wrong with her. In fact, she's the only one who doesn't give really vage answers. People is still mad because of the hole 'Cats randomly being in the Dark Forest' thing, and blame Su for this... Even if she doesn't have anything to do with the creation of these facts. I find immature to blame her and even insult her just because of that  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 10:56:48 GMT -5
Cause they wish it was them being Vicky's spokesperson instead of her, and think they could do a better job than her.
Jk I don't know. From what I've seen, most people think she's ruining the series. But who knows, everyone has their own reasons.
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Post by tiger beetle on Jan 29, 2017 12:17:22 GMT -5
It's not so much Su herself that bothers me as the Erins' disregard for the series. Since she doesn't come up with the facts, I can't fault her for them, but they probably do also sour my impression of the situation.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Jan 29, 2017 13:41:30 GMT -5
Because a good author never lets a random af fan decide what's canon or not. Seriously, she and Vicky are ruining the credibility of the Erins and the reputation of the series.
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Post by dashingshadows on Jan 29, 2017 13:57:26 GMT -5
It's just weird to have a fan deciding what's cannon instead of an author, the erins don't have to go around clearing things up if they don't care to, but this feels like passing the responsibility to someone else and that they care even less than if they just didn't answer
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Post by Woofzie on Jan 29, 2017 14:31:45 GMT -5
What!?
Didn't Su just CONFIRM things? Where it's said she came up with all she said?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 15:50:06 GMT -5
I don't hate her, I'm just tired of the Erins confirming things. Everything is such a mess right now and it seems like things only get more chaotic with every question answered. I agree with tiger beetle |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 17:36:47 GMT -5
It's not so much Su herself that bothers me as the Erins' disregard for the series. Since she doesn't come up with the facts, I can't fault her for them, but they probably do also sour my impression of the situation. I just think that the authors are growing a bit tired of writing the series after what...14 years. To my personal opinion, I think many of the erin hunter authors just want to be done with the series, but profits had convinced the publication company to publish more books. So the authors are pushed into write more and more books. |
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Post by tiger beetle on Jan 29, 2017 17:40:39 GMT -5
It's not so much Su herself that bothers me as the Erins' disregard for the series. Since she doesn't come up with the facts, I can't fault her for them, but they probably do also sour my impression of the situation. I just think that the authors are growing a bit tired of writing the series after what...14 years. To my personal opinion, I think many of the erin hunter authors just want to be done with the series, but profits had convinced the publication company to publish more books. So the authors are pushed into write more and more books. I understand why they would be getting tired of it, but that doesn't change the fact that apathetic authors lead to an irritated fanbase. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 17:56:42 GMT -5
I understand why they would be getting tired of it, but that doesn't change the fact that apathetic authors lead to an irritated fanbase. The warriors series is getting a little...um...out of hand a bit. Their are over 4 dozen books in the main series and plus heaven knows now many extra books. Their are well over 2,000 characters that show up in the series, and they are almost impossible to keep track of. Their is a ridiculous amount of sub plots and plotlines in the series, and it does not look like the series is ending anytime soon. When are they just going to end warriors already? Plus the erin hunters are making series that is a blatant rip off of Lion King (which itself was controversially a rip off of a lesser known manga series). What a way to jump the shark. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 18:03:25 GMT -5
Honestly, my only problem is Vicky and her writing now. I just don't like how she doesn't admit her own mistakes and types out vague answers. But I do respect her, despite what I feel. I don't believe she's a bad person or whatever, just that what she does, especially excusing villains, is really annoying.
I actually really like Su compared to Vicky and Kate. She responds with decent answers and they are reasonable. The only problem I have with her is about Brightflower being in the Dark Forest, but I've moved on from that and I think other people should too. I really don't care about the Brightflower situation anymore.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Jan 29, 2017 18:36:15 GMT -5
Honestly I want Warriors to end solely for the fact that it's quickly becoming the laughingstock of the writing world because of all of the crap its authors are constantly throwing around. I have nothing wrong with the amount of books there are; what bothers me is how much the overall quality of the Erins' storytelling has gone down over the past few years.
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Post by tiger beetle on Jan 29, 2017 18:43:15 GMT -5
I understand why they would be getting tired of it, but that doesn't change the fact that apathetic authors lead to an irritated fanbase. The warriors series is getting a little...um...out of hand a bit. Their are over 4 dozen books in the main series and plus heaven knows now many extra books. Their are well over 2,000 characters that show up in the series, and they are almost impossible to keep track of. Their is a ridiculous amount of sub plots and plotlines in the series, and it does not look like the series is ending anytime soon. When are they just going to end warriors already? Plus the erin hunters are making series that is a blatant rip off of Lion King (which itself was controversially a rip off of a lesser known manga series). What a way to jump the shark. Oh, yeah, I definitely agree that the series getting out of hand is a problem*, and HC needs to let it end. From everything I've heard, DOTC and AVOS are much better (at least in terms of having more interesting characters and a less filler plot) than POT and OOTS, but that's almost a bad thing since renewed popularity of the series is going to mean increased demand for Erin books from HC. Bravelands…yeah, hopefully it's not too Lion King-y, but I admit my hopes aren't that high. Especially since I feel like the plots in the blurb (brief as they are) could have been worked into the Warriors world, meaning that it's effectively another series just to add another series to the list rather than actual fresh ideas…but I want to be optimistic here, so hey, maybe they'll have fun writing about a different world and start caring about it, at least to the extent that they used to care about Warriors? I guess we'll have to wait and see. As always. *Not due to number of books alone (I'm sure it would be possible to write that many books in a series and still keep it interesting and exciting to read), but because they're (understandably) quite a bit less interested than before, and because they have lots of problems with consistency and continuity…as well as varying up their plots. |
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Jan 29, 2017 20:25:14 GMT -5
I think it's less of the series needing to end and more of it just being better writers. I applaud Vicky for keeping the series going as long as it has, but she's just not that good of a writer…
Then again, the other thing is that the series is stuck as a young adult series, when it arguably could be an adult series and have that work better. The limitations of the young adult genre contribute to a lot of problems that has (battles not causing more issues, Mapleshade’s past, villains being excused, inbreeding not being acknowledged, clear good and evil in the afterlife when there shouldn't be, and lack of gay couples, to name a few). But if the series decided to go to an adult series, they would lose a lot of their readers… It's a double edged sword…
I'm hoping that the Erins maybe will write something for adults, because I'd be interested to see how that would work, and there is a serious lack of fantasy for adults, but I doubt they will…
As for Su, I think one of the problems people have is whether or not what she says is actually what the authors confirmed. At least I know that was a problem with the Dark Forest cats…
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Post by loveeye on Jan 31, 2017 9:04:59 GMT -5
Mostly for choosing random cats from different SEs and tossing them in the Dark Forest for the vaguest possible reasons Su said Vicky said her that they are in the dark forest. She is like a mailman, brought a bad letter. It's not her fault what Vicky decides. Because a good author never lets a random af fan decide what's canon or not. Seriously, she and Vicky are ruining the credibility of the Erins and the reputation of the series. I don't feel like Su decides what is canon or not. She only confirmes things but she does not come up with them. She often sad she will ask Vicky about something and has background notes on stuff and Vicky also said that in one of her posts. I like her for giving us so many information. Like the look of many cats that were just mentioned and some background things. And I have the feeling she trying to do her best. To find best answers and also listens carefully to what others tell her. Like, when she makes a misstake and someone points out, she looks at it and corrects it when the person was right. Not like Vicky letting all the misstakes just stay there forever never saying anything. |
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Post by Sootfeather on Feb 1, 2017 12:57:53 GMT -5
Mostly for choosing random cats from different SEs and tossing them in the Dark Forest for the vaguest possible reasons Su said Vicky said her that they are in the dark forest. She is like a mailman, brought a bad letter. It's not her fault what Vicky decides. Because a good author never lets a random af fan decide what's canon or not. Seriously, she and Vicky are ruining the credibility of the Erins and the reputation of the series. I don't feel like Su decides what is canon or not. She only confirmes things but she does not come up with them. She often sad she will ask Vicky about something and has background notes on stuff and Vicky also said that in one of her posts. I like her for giving us so many information. Like the look of many cats that were just mentioned and some background things. And I have the feeling she trying to do her best. To find best answers and also listens carefully to what others tell her. Like, when she makes a misstake and someone points out, she looks at it and corrects it when the person was right. Not like Vicky letting all the misstakes just stay there forever never saying anything. I always just figured she made that up herself. That's reassuring. |
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Post by Moon on Feb 1, 2017 13:28:33 GMT -5
the books are already written. I don't want information years after the fact that changes the context of the story and characters/is inconsistent with the story and characters from a "superfan." I'm pretty sure that a lot of these things are Su's ideas that are getting a thumbs up from Vicky. it all kinda feels like word of dante to me, and it's unnecessary information. That said, I never liked being told who everyone's parents are in the first place, because these relations were clearly not thought of in the first few books, where nobody mourns, talks to or visits their supposed fathers and mothers. Even things like Redtail being Sandstorm's father feel out of place and wrong when applied to the actual story. |
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