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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 1, 2016 22:46:21 GMT -5
I've actually posted this on WCF once before, but I'd still like to see what you all think of it now.
So, Yellowfang has been an unpopular character for many people since OotS. I myself noticed a change in her starting in Night Whispers the moment she told Jayfeather that the other medicine cats had to stand alone and knocking him over when he wanted to tell the other medicine cats about the Dark Forest.
After that, she insulted Mothwing, tried to disuade Jayfeather from going to the mountains, pretty much defended Ashfur's right to be in StarClan, criticized Leafpool for breaking the warrior code and believed she shouldn't have been a medicine cat again during her talk with Jayfeather about the Clan needing a second medicine cat, called out Jayfeather for telling Cinderheart about her past when she was the one who suggested it in the first place and said that she was distracted when she told him that, told Jayfeather that he wasn't important, refused to relay a message to Flametail, and was strongly against the Clans uniting against the Dark Forest.
However, I also noticed all of this happened after she, Jayfeather, and Spottedleaf visited the Dark Forest in the previous book, Fading Echoes. Her son Brokenstar is in the Dark Forest and one of the more respected cats there.
Could it be possible that something could've affected Yellowfang after her visit to the Dark Forest given her close ties to Brokenstar, be it stress or fear or perhaps something even more unnatural?
Either that, or it could just be lazy writing, which seems much more likely to be honest and then again, Yellowfang wasn't exactly a pleasant character even before then. But what do you guys think?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 23:02:27 GMT -5
It's interesting, but I doubt it. I think her change in personality is just due to laazy writing. The Erins don't know how to make things happen on their own, so they insert StarClan to make the characters have a reason for doing something. Yellowfang is pretty much the Erins as a cat.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Aug 1, 2016 23:05:39 GMT -5
It was weird that she suddenly turned into a hypocrite after her death. And most of it did happen after her trip to Brokenstar. So perhaps she feels responsible for the battle and is handling the stress really, really, really, really badly.
It would explain why she thought that Leafpool shouldn't be a medicine cat. Yellowfang could have never forgave herself and thought that Leafpool shouldn't be forgiven either.
As for dissuading Jayfeather to go to the mountains, maybe she was afraid that he could turn out like Brokenstar and wanted to keep him in her sight.
She could have insulted Mothwing because it was unnatural for a medicine cat to not believe in StarClan. I mean, Mistystar had a really bad reaction to that.
Raggedstar was a pretty abusive mate, so she probably did not have a good concept on what love is. That could be why she defended Ashfur.
She probably did recognize that a new medicine cat was needed (and didn't want Leafpool) and told Jayfeather to tell Cinderheart, but then contradicted herself because she no longer trusted her own judgement due to Brokentar.
She could have told Jayfeather he wasn't important because she was scared of what he could do because of his power because of Brokenstar.
She probably didn't want to contact Flametail because he was a ShadowClan cat and she did not want to come into contact with ShadowClan cats because she feared and felt guilty because of Brokenstar.
And she was against the clans uniting because she did not want all the clans to suffer for her mistake.
Those are just my theories and possible explanations. Some of them aren't even good, but that's the best I can do from the top of my head. Though it is most likely lazy writing, I would like to know what was going on in Yellowfang's head during all this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 23:14:02 GMT -5
Lazy writing. A lot of cats were out of character, and there were many plot holes and pointless drama in this series. Don't even get me started on useless characters like Rock. Did we even need him? Seriously. He's just some naked mole rat who serves no purpose whatsoever.
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 1, 2016 23:16:08 GMT -5
With the Erins, it sums down to lazy writing. But good theory, anyhow. ^^
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Post by Bluebell on Aug 2, 2016 4:48:48 GMT -5
Lazy writing. A lot of cats were out of character, and there were many plot holes and pointless drama in this series. Don't even get me started on useless characters like Rock. Did we even need him? Seriously. He's just some naked mole rat who serves no purpose whatsoever. He was the first (unofficial?) Stoneteller who had kin that traveled from the mountains to the lake and became known as the Ancients, giving him a strong connection to the intertwined history of the Tribes and Clans. He also played a role in the sharpclaw assessment in the tunnels. For whatever reason, he was cursed to know what will happen but have no power over changing anything but he did witness the visions of the Clans within the lake alongside Midnight, who I believe are both involved in the making of prophecies. And I think, in a way, he guided Jayfeather to the past to form the Tribe and thus the Clans. |
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Post by Cloudshadow on Aug 2, 2016 5:06:19 GMT -5
Lazy writing. A lot of cats were out of character, and there were many plot holes and pointless drama in this series. Don't even get me started on useless characters like Rock. Did we even need him? Seriously. He's just some naked mole rat who serves no purpose whatsoever. He was the first (unofficial?) Stoneteller who had kin that traveled from the mountains to the lake and became known as the Ancients, giving him a strong connection to the intertwined history of the Tribes and Clans. He also played a role in the sharpclaw assessment in the tunnels. For whatever reason, he was cursed to know what will happen but have no power over changing anything but he did witness the visions of the Clans within the lake alongside Midnight, who I believe are both involved in the making of prophecies. And I think, in a way, he guided Jayfeather to the past to form the Tribe and thus the Clans. Him being the first StoneTeller is contradictory because Half Moon was also said to be the first Stoneteller. And his roles that you pointed out have purpose in universe but to the plot not really. Jayfeather never really needed to travel back in time for any reason, and neither did the Three being reincarnated. It just made it interesting. |
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Post by Bluebell on Aug 2, 2016 5:22:37 GMT -5
He was the first (unofficial?) Stoneteller who had kin that traveled from the mountains to the lake and became known as the Ancients, giving him a strong connection to the intertwined history of the Tribes and Clans. He also played a role in the sharpclaw assessment in the tunnels. For whatever reason, he was cursed to know what will happen but have no power over changing anything but he did witness the visions of the Clans within the lake alongside Midnight, who I believe are both involved in the making of prophecies. And I think, in a way, he guided Jayfeather to the past to form the Tribe and thus the Clans. Him being the first StoneTeller is contradictory because Half Moon was also said to be the first Stoneteller. And his roles that you pointed out have purpose in universe but to the plot not really. Jayfeather never really needed to travel back in time for any reason, and neither did the Three being reincarnated. It just made it interesting. She was probably the first Stoneteller of the Tribe of Rushing Water which probably isn't the same as the three Tribes that were around when Rock was in the mountains. Whether it has purpose to the plot wasn't the focus but on if Rock is useless or not. And I think being involved with prophecies could be plot relevant due to the arrival of the Three. He actually did if I'm not mistaken. The whole concept with Jayfeather time-traveling seems to be a bootstrap paradox where the events in the past are only created from the interference of future self going back in time. I'm not sure if the reincarnation part was connected to Rock. |
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