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Post by Jaysnow on Dec 11, 2016 13:41:37 GMT -5
The current working title is Tigerheart's Shadow.
Source: Kate's Facebook.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Dec 11, 2016 14:01:44 GMT -5
If that's the case and working title or not, then I wonder if the book will involve him possiblyโand unintentionallyโbeing in the shadow of his grandfather Tigerstar and maybe having a similar conflict to Bramblestar when he was younger. It also doesn't help that he looks like Tigerstar and made especially worse for him since Tigerheart was named after Tigerstar. Cats have compared him to Tigerstar before, after all.
When Tigerkit's name was announced at a Gathering, it's clear cats were surprised and even scared that he was named after Tigerstar. And at the Great Battle, Thistleclaw clearly expected that Tigerheart would turn on the Clans just because he was Tigerstar's grandson.
That'd certainly give him more depth to his character than what we've seen on the surface even if it has been done before and perhaps he decided to train in the Dark Forest initially to prove the others wrong or because he felt like he was in a "Then Let Me Be Evil" type of situation until a certain point where he decided to spy on the Dark Forest instead. Perhaps he even feels some jealousy towards his littermates if this is the case since neither of them look like Tigerstar and maybe even resents Tawnypelt (it seems most likely that she named him) at one point for naming him after her murderous father.
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Post by Uะผะฒัแด on Dec 11, 2016 14:15:13 GMT -5
If that's the case and working title or not, then I wonder if the book will involve him possiblyโand unintentionallyโbeing in the shadow of his grandfather Tigerstar and maybe having a similar conflict to Bramblestar when he was younger. It also doesn't get that he looks like Tigerstar and made especially worse for him since Tigerheart was named after Tigerstar. Cats have compared him to Tigerstar before, after all. When Tigerkit's name was announced at a Gathering, it's clear cats were surprised and even scared that he was named after Tigerstar. And at the Great Battle, Thistleclaw clearly expected that Tigerheart would turn on the Clans just because he was Tigerstar's grandson. That'd certainly give him more depth to his character than what we've seen on the surface even if it has been done before and perhaps he decided to train in the Dark Forest initially to prove the others wrong or because he felt like he was in a "Then Let Me Be Evil" type of situation until a certain point where he decided to spy on the Dark Forest instead. Perhaps he even feels some jealousy towards his littermates if this is the case since neither of them look like Tigerstar and maybe even resents Tawnypelt(it seems most likely that she named him) at one point for naming him after her murderous father. That sounds interesting. I would like to read that. I hope it is more on that than on his relationship with Dovewing. Another thing I noticed was that Tigerheart and his littermates didn't seem to know that Tigerstar was evil when they were apprentices. I wonder if that will come into play. |
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Post by Owlmoon on Dec 11, 2016 14:24:19 GMT -5
I'd honestly like to know what is going through Tigerheart's mind all throughout his life. I wonder how he feel about Dawnpelt. What about Dovewing? What does he feel about her?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 14:53:32 GMT -5
Yes I feel like this will be about his problems of being named after Tigerstar. But this will include an emotional Status.
This will definitely include his love for Dovewing. Even thought he knows they cant be together. I think Tigerheart is a well-devolpes charecter. Im not sure if this super edition will be from being a kit to leader or warrior to leader but I really wanna read this because we havent had a Shadowclan super edition in a while. I kinda ship TigerheartxLoinpaw(SC app)
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Dec 11, 2016 15:05:59 GMT -5
Yes I feel like this will be about his problems of being named after Tigerstar. But this will include an emotional Status. This will definitely include his love for Dovewing. Even thought he knows they cant be together. I think Tigerheart is a well-devolpes charecter. Im not sure if this super edition will be from being a kit to leader or warrior to leader but I really wanna read this because we havent had a Shadowclan super edition in a while. I kinda ship TigerheartxLoinpaw(SC app) The Super Edition is set to come out next year, so I doubt it'll show Tigerheart becoming leader when Rowanstar is still alive. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 15:11:31 GMT -5
Yes I feel like this will be about his problems of being named after Tigerstar. But this will include an emotional Status. This will definitely include his love for Dovewing. Even thought he knows they cant be together. I think Tigerheart is a well-devolpes charecter. Im not sure if this super edition will be from being a kit to leader or warrior to leader but I really wanna read this because we havent had a Shadowclan super edition in a while. I kinda ship TigerheartxLoinpaw(SC app) The Super Edition is set to come out next year, so I doubt it'll show Tigerheart becoming leader when Rowanstar is still alive. Maybe he will die during the super edition? We dont know how many lives Rowanstar has left (7 or 6 if you ask me ) . But I think he will die in the super edition and Tigerheart will become Leader |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Dec 11, 2016 15:23:08 GMT -5
The Super Edition is set to come out next year, so I doubt it'll show Tigerheart becoming leader when Rowanstar is still alive. Maybe he will die during the super edition? We dont know how many lives Rowanstar has left (7 or 6 if you ask me ) . But I think he will die in the super edition and Tigerheart will become Leader We also don't know if this SE will overlap with AVoS at all or if it will even come out before or after SS. There's also the fact that Rowanstar is still a new leader and while the Erins have killed off new leaders before, I have a feeling that Rowanstar will live at least for a few books more. |
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Post by ๐ก๐๐ก๐ก๐๐ฃ๐๐๐๐ฅ on Dec 11, 2016 18:56:45 GMT -5
EdgyTM.
It'll probably be about him being "stalked" by the shadow of his grandfather after he becomes Tigerstar.
Or, it could cover his time in the dark forest, from his PoV.
I just hope that Dovewing is taken out of the picture, but no way in heck is that happening.
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Post by Yoshimi on Dec 11, 2016 19:30:44 GMT -5
I'll just take anything at this point, that's not from a Thunderclan POV.
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Post by *Faith* on Dec 11, 2016 19:40:40 GMT -5
Hm, interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 23:46:33 GMT -5
What if it's actually about Tigerheart taking over as leader of ShadowClan? Rowanstar is dead, and the rebels are defeated. Now Tigerheart has to take the reigns and rebuild his destroyed Clan, while also proving himself to be a worthy leader unlike his grandfather.
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Post by ๐ก๐๐ก๐ก๐๐ฃ๐๐๐๐ฅ on Dec 12, 2016 6:25:31 GMT -5
The whole Tigerheart proving himself better than his grandfather plot would be cool, except it was already used with Bramblestar.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Dec 12, 2016 6:33:04 GMT -5
The whole Tigerheart proving himself better than his grandfather plot would be cool, except it was already used with Bramblestar. Which is why I kind of doubt they'll go with it, even if I like the idea of it. Actually, I'll go with just about anything so long as it adds more to Tigerheart's character than what we've seen so far. That said however, it's not like the Erins haven't repeated plots before, so it's still possible that this will be what they'll be going for with Tigerheart's SE. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 7:51:19 GMT -5
The whole Tigerheart proving himself better than his grandfather plot would be cool, except it was already used with Bramblestar. Which is why I kind of doubt they'll go with it, even if I like the idea of it. Actually, I'll go with just about anything so long as it adds more to Tigerheart's character than what we've seen so far. That said however, it's not like the Erins haven't repeated plots before, so it's still possible that this will be what they'll be going for with Tigerheart's SE. I feel like this whole Super edition is gonna be about SC falling to the rogues and having to restore their clan. But also about his Dark forest experience. Maybe he will have to prove himself to the others in this SE but Idk |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 7:51:47 GMT -5
I'll just take anything at this point, that's not from a Thunderclan POV. SAME |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 8:24:36 GMT -5
The whole Tigerheart proving himself better than his grandfather plot would be cool, except it was already used with Bramblestar. True, but I wouldn't put it past the characters to still hold a grudge against Tigerstar's kin. Even after the events of TNP in which Bramblestar proved himself, the cats were shocked to hear that Tawnypelt named her son Tigerkit. And in POT Heathertail made a comment to Lionblaze about him ending up like his kin Tigerstar. I'm sure more snide comments like that have happened in the newer books as well, showing no matter what Tigerstar's kin does they will still be judged for his actions. Add that to the fact Tigerheart trained in the Dark Forest with Tigerstar, and "abandoned" ShadowClan to go to ThunderClan (which ShadowClan currently views as an act of betrayal) it would make sense for them to still judge him and to have him have to prove himself as the rightful leader, even though his uncle and mother already had to go through this before. It's kind of like how even though Firestar proved kittypets can be just as good warriors as any Clan cat, the Clans will still forever judge kittypets and think of them as less. No matter what a kittypet does they will never be good enough and that's the same boat Tigerstar's kin is in at the moment. |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Dec 12, 2016 8:35:15 GMT -5
Which is why I kind of doubt they'll go with it, even if I like the idea of it. Actually, I'll go with just about anything so long as it adds more to Tigerheart's character than what we've seen so far. That said however, it's not like the Erins haven't repeated plots before, so it's still possible that this will be what they'll be going for with Tigerheart's SE. I feel like this whole Super edition is gonna be about SC falling to the rogues and having to restore their clan. But also about his Dark forest experience. Maybe he will have to prove himself to the others in this SE but Idk Why would the SE overlap with the current arc though? We already have HJ for that and even then it was more of a prequel to AVoS anyway. Again, the SE comes out next year and AVoS is far from over. It wouldn't make any sense to have an entire SE dedicated to events that have yet to occur in the series and SEs tend to cover several moons anyway. Also, it's very likely that we'll see ShadowClan be rebuilt from Violetpaw's PoV, considering that Kate said the ShadowClan PoV would be throughout the entire arc. We don't need Tigerheart's PoV to see that, nor do we need his PoV to see his potential leadership. If anything, it'd make more sense to have his story set during the OotS era than the current timeline. And considering how Rowanstar has become a supporting character in the series, I think he'll live for at least a bit longer before Tigerheart becomes leader. But it's possible he could become leader in this SE. I just don't see how it would make sense to write an SE overlapping with AVoS when it isn't even finished yet. |
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Post by theRavenflight on Dec 12, 2016 22:49:18 GMT -5
Umm..I love Tigerheart. But...I feel like we know so much about him already ever since Power of Three. He was always around. I wonder what new plot devices they can use around him.
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