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Post by Lea on Dec 6, 2016 19:56:47 GMT -5
Seasons Greetings For a while there were some really great clans on the forums, but then the forums closed and this opened and all of those really great clans disappeared. There are some great clans on the forums now, but nothing like I remember. I remember being a part of this clan, Alderclan I believe, that was created by a user named fawntail. who asked me a few others to help himcreate the clan after we all met on a jump-in rogue thread I created. It was great, with a wonderful concept and stuff. It eventually died when fawntail. was too busy with school to continue and so their cousin [or sibling] took over and recreated a version of Alderclan that went around and changed it's names many times and at one point was a clan of monster-shifting cats - which was pretty cool. Of course that eventually died and blah blah blah, long story short I was just thinking about how grea the layout and graphics were and how much I miss stuff like that and I thought I'd try my hand at a good, advanced, clan role play.
So basically, after that tidbit, I would love help ! please, help me, I'm a lonely forum member who needs new friends and a good role play. Erm, I'm not incredibly active due to it being Senior year and I'm always busy but I will be here as often as I can be. I'm probably going to need a very active Admin who will be on way more than me and will be a big hand in the member accepting department and knowing the little bits of the plot and what's okay and what's not. I'll probably have one or two mod's in addition to that to help with accepting people and making sure the rules are followed.
again, please help me; I promise I don't bite.
Ideas and Stuff I was thinking something to do with Lions. I know Lionclan is probably really cliche but sometimes it's the cliche names that make great role plays. idk, if you have any ideas for names let me know.we also need a plot, layout color combinations, territory ideas/descriptions, camp description, a few traditions, and if someone could find a list of maybe Prefixes and Suffixes for character names and a list of herbs that would be wonderful and I'd be very gracious ♥
Wonderful Helpers beau - owner/creator: [insert prefix]star (♂), character name (♂), character name (♀), character name (♀) screen name - helper: characters ? (♂/♀) screen name - helper: characters ? (♂/♀) screen name - helper: characters ? (♂/♀)
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Tinyelephant
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Post by Tinyelephant on Dec 6, 2016 20:39:12 GMT -5
Hey there! I would love to help. I certainly don't mind the name Lionclan.
I would, personally, love to create prefixes/suffixes and a list of herbs(largely dependent on where this takes place, but I'm willing to do research.) I'm also willing to do traditions if you can give me some time?
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Post by Tinyelephant on Dec 6, 2016 21:37:36 GMT -5
I can definitely give you time, but we should figure out territory before we stress too much on anything else, territory can give us ideas with traditions and makes it easy to branch stuff off of. Hm, well I've a few ideas: -In the Southwestern US, possibly Southern California, or any other place with a chaparral biome? It's not quite a desert but would pose interesting challenges nonetheless, like fires and possible food/water scarcity. -a clan set in an urban setting, I was thinking perhaps around the River Thames/London? Or some other city built around a source of freshwater. -A clan set in ww1-2/early 1900s England/other European nation?
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Tinyelephant
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Post by Tinyelephant on Dec 7, 2016 18:34:16 GMT -5
A chaparral biome sounds really great, actually. Unless you have a specific preference [because I'd totally be willing to do any of them], then I think we should go with that for the basic template of our territory. That sounds great! There are many chaparral biomes around the world, so are we going for So. Cal, Portugal/Spain, Northern Algeria/Libya/Egypt, Italy, Southern Greece, Western Chile, or the borders of Turkey? Personally, I prefer So. Cal and/or the Iberian Peninsula because I'm more familiar with them, but whatever you want is more important. It helps to narrow it down, for prefixes/suffixes that'll come later.
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Tinyelephant
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Post by Tinyelephant on Dec 7, 2016 19:28:34 GMT -5
South Carolina (EDIT: Not Carolina, Southern California! Wanted to clear this up so you wouldn't be confused.) sounds good to me All right. I've got some traditions/religious traditions on the brain right now, so: -Perhaps a nomadic clan that migrates since it would likely be far too dangerous? They'd also be veeery unlikely to be longhaired cats(heatstroke being a consequence.) -Maybe they revere fire and/or rain as a deity? Fire, while definitely destructive in chaparrals, allows many plants to reproduce and for the chaparral to heal. Rain, of course, is self-explanatory and brings prosperity etc. As far as a prefix/suffix goes I think Rain- and Fire-/Sun- (and Moon-) should be considered holy. If there are multiple clans, then they shooould have different religious systems. As far as what happens when a cat dies, perhaps it's less like starclan with ghosts/spirits and more like their ancestors going on to carry on life. For example, a dead cat could become a spirit of the ground, or fire, sky, weather and so on. Or it could be more like Starclan where ancestors become stars. Stars, i think, would really help a clan like this(especially if it is nomadic) with navigation. They might come up with a constellation system esp. for deities or ancestors that became renowned and use those to navigate in the winter/summer. This would also give the suffix -star more weight, since a leader is essentially what a star is for the clan. If you like this idea I can write a short description of it later. I also kiind of think the idea of nine lives is rather stupid and can be confusing at points(what decides if a leader loses one or multiple lives, etc) instead i prefer the idea of nine spirits close to that leader guiding him/her/they? They'd only have one life but it gives the leader more of a cultural significance in the clan. Also in the canon books there's little reason for there to be atheistic cats when I believe cats have witnessed leaders dying and coming back to life several times, so there's a more realistic aspect to this approach. Of course, I can still do either.
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Post by Lea on Dec 7, 2016 19:53:17 GMT -5
I absolutely love the idea of using fire and rain as deities. Perhaps there's this legend that Fire and Rain are always fighting and a hundred years ago Rain flooded the territory they live in now in retaliation to fire killing a mortal Rain loved. Fire could be the more compassionate one and the one the cats pray to for reproduction and happiness and Rain is more solemn and distant and rarely loves [which would explain why they get so angry when fire accidentally kills the mortal Rain was in love with] and maybe this mortal was who the clan is named after and as a peace offering Fire offered to have his "children" - cats - worship the both of and Rain's lover as the proprietors of the clan and "Gods" Perhaps, also this said lover, is said to be the representation of love and the after life and he/she leads the dead to their place in the sky.Idea: Fire - Compassion, Renewal/Reproduction, Happiness Rain - Solitary, Prosperity, Survival, Intelligence Unnamed - Love, Courtship, Afterlife, Unity For the concept of an afterlife, I do think we should stick with dead cats being the stars in the sky. I'm a bit confused on the nine spirits thing, but I do agree that we should stick to one life for realism's sake. While I do like the idea of them being nomadic, I'm not sure how that would work for kits and nursing/pregnant queens. Would it be a seasonal thing? And kits are only common during certain Seasons? Like Summer wouldn't be the best season to have kits and would be when they roam most, Spring would be a good time to have kits, as well as late Winter..
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Post by Tinyelephant on Dec 7, 2016 20:46:17 GMT -5
I absolutely love the idea of using fire and rain as deities. Perhaps there's this legend that Fire and Rain are always fighting and a hundred years ago Rain flooded the territory they live in now in retaliation to fire killing a mortal Rain loved. Fire could be the more compassionate one and the one the cats pray to for reproduction and happiness and Rain is more solemn and distant and rarely loves [which would explain why they get so angry when fire accidentally kills the mortal Rain was in love with] and maybe this mortal was who the clan is named after and as a peace offering Fire offered to have his "children" - cats - worship the both of and Rain's lover as the proprietors of the clan and "Gods" Perhaps, also this said lover, is said to be the representation of love and the after life and he/she leads the dead to their place in the sky.Idea: Fire - Compassion, Renewal/Reproduction, Happiness Rain - Solitary, Prosperity, Survival, Intelligence Unnamed - Love, Courtship, Afterlife, Unity For the concept of an afterlife, I do think we should stick with dead cats being the stars in the sky. I'm a bit confused on the nine spirits thing, but I do agree that we should stick to one life for realism's sake. While I do like the idea of them being nomadic, I'm not sure how that would work for kits and nursing/pregnant queens. Would it be a seasonal thing? And kits are only common during certain Seasons? Like Summer wouldn't be the best season to have kits and would be when they roam most, Spring would be a good time to have kits, as well as late Winter..
That sounds really nice! I'm a real sucker for polytheistic cats. What I meant by nine spirits is that they function somewhat like advisers. These cats might have some connection to the leader, but exist with the purpose of giving the leader advice in his/her/their dreams, but not being able to tell the future. They might be able to predict what might happen given that there are the collective memories of nine cats, but not to intervene with mortal life. Of course, given that cats already revere three deities, this might be unnecessary. Although i would like to ask: Would cats give offerings to the gods? Would each cat/family have a different god they like best, or just all three? With cats leading nomadic lives they'd probably leave early to mid summer for a camp that is out of the way of possible fires, maybe near a water source, I'll specify once I find an exact location. Fire season is generally late summer and ending late fall or early winter when rains might come. However, fire intervals are 10-15 yrs apart(although more frequent,with humans.) but I'm thinking the cats might travel to and from the "home" location and their fire season location every year to prevent unnecessary deaths? Therefore, winter would be the best season to birth kits, while early winter would be best for conceiving them, maybe even late fall depending on when the cats arrive. Cats are pregnant for about 60 days, so they have about two months and then a month or so for the kittens to grow enough to be transported. It would probably be best to conceive them when the cats arrive at their temporary base/fire season location so: late fall/winter-spring: At fire season location(out of the chaparral), a time of prosperity, likely best to conceive or have kits during this time, though if a cat were to birth them too close to being ready to leave(late spring), the kits would have to undergo a long trip which might not go too well. Early Summer/late fall- preparation for leaving, a cat could conceive here but a con to this is that the unborn kittens could get injured.
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Post by Lea on Dec 8, 2016 13:35:53 GMT -5
That sounds really nice! I'm a real sucker for polytheistic cats. What I meant by nine spirits is that they function somewhat like advisers. These cats might have some connection to the leader, but exist with the purpose of giving the leader advice in his/her/their dreams, but not being able to tell the future. They might be able to predict what might happen given that there are the collective memories of nine cats, but not to intervene with mortal life. Of course, given that cats already revere three deities, this might be unnecessary. Although i would like to ask: Would cats give offerings to the gods? Would each cat/family have a different god they like best, or just all three? With cats leading nomadic lives they'd probably leave early to mid summer for a camp that is out of the way of possible fires, maybe near a water source, I'll specify once I find an exact location. Fire season is generally late summer and ending late fall or early winter when rains might come. However, fire intervals are 10-15 yrs apart(although more frequent,with humans.) but I'm thinking the cats might travel to and from the "home" location and their fire season location every year to prevent unnecessary deaths? Therefore, winter would be the best season to birth kits, while early winter would be best for conceiving them, maybe even late fall depending on when the cats arrive. Cats are pregnant for about 60 days, so they have about two months and then a month or so for the kittens to grow enough to be transported. It would probably be best to conceive them when the cats arrive at their temporary base/fire season location so: late fall/winter-spring: At fire season location(out of the chaparral), a time of prosperity, likely best to conceive or have kits during this time, though if a cat were to birth them too close to being ready to leave(late spring), the kits would have to undergo a long trip which might not go too well. Early Summer/late fall- preparation for leaving, a cat could conceive here but a con to this is that the unborn kittens could get injured. okay that makes sense. um, maybe? we could do that...not necessarily like families or whatnot but yeah, some cats prefer one of the gods over the other they're kinda just biased? maybe this can cause some problems within the clan, like those who prefer rain are always at odds with those who prefer fire and those who prefer love are all like "peace. love. unity. c'mon guys, let's not fight"? leading to skirmishes between them and the leader always being like "sigh. idiots." bc maybe when they become leader they meet the founders [idk what else to call them] and they give the leader the wisdom to see beyond things like the founders, to just live life? And like maybe each of the three give the leader something? Or just like a higher sense of something? Like rain gives the ability to make sound decisions, fire gives passion for the clan, and love gives the ability to see beyond skirmishes and struggles. the fire season stuff sounds good to me... the cats could call the beginning/pre-fire season Ready Leave, and call Fire Season Leaf Burn, and the end Rain Come ? And then when they're not traveling and their conceiving and nursing kits and it's raining more and it's cooler Leaf Prosper, and then traveling time falls into Leaf Burn ? And they use these terms for their seasons, so like they don't have Summer, Fall, Winter, Spring, they have [in this order] Ready Leave, Leaf Burn, Rain Come, Leaf Prosper, Repeat? idk just an idea? Ready Leave - Before Fire season, the clan prepares to travel. Warmer weather, less rain, dryer air. Still comfortable and managable. End of Ready Leave is late mid-summer. Leaf Burn - Mostly spent traveling. Warm enough to not need dens. Hot during the day, warm at night. Less water. dehydration. late Summer-late Fall. Rain Come - like a second Ready Leave, just right at the end of fire season. Spots of rain. Still danger of fires, but less likely. early winter Leaf Prosper - Winter-spring. Kit season. Mating season at the beginning. Most warrior ceremonies happen now. Rains a lot. Cooler, comfortable
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Post by Tinyelephant on Dec 8, 2016 21:15:59 GMT -5
That sounds really nice! I'm a real sucker for polytheistic cats. What I meant by nine spirits is that they function somewhat like advisers. These cats might have some connection to the leader, but exist with the purpose of giving the leader advice in his/her/their dreams, but not being able to tell the future. They might be able to predict what might happen given that there are the collective memories of nine cats, but not to intervene with mortal life. Of course, given that cats already revere three deities, this might be unnecessary. Although i would like to ask: Would cats give offerings to the gods? Would each cat/family have a different god they like best, or just all three? With cats leading nomadic lives they'd probably leave early to mid summer for a camp that is out of the way of possible fires, maybe near a water source, I'll specify once I find an exact location. Fire season is generally late summer and ending late fall or early winter when rains might come. However, fire intervals are 10-15 yrs apart(although more frequent,with humans.) but I'm thinking the cats might travel to and from the "home" location and their fire season location every year to prevent unnecessary deaths? Therefore, winter would be the best season to birth kits, while early winter would be best for conceiving them, maybe even late fall depending on when the cats arrive. Cats are pregnant for about 60 days, so they have about two months and then a month or so for the kittens to grow enough to be transported. It would probably be best to conceive them when the cats arrive at their temporary base/fire season location so: late fall/winter-spring: At fire season location(out of the chaparral), a time of prosperity, likely best to conceive or have kits during this time, though if a cat were to birth them too close to being ready to leave(late spring), the kits would have to undergo a long trip which might not go too well. Early Summer/late fall- preparation for leaving, a cat could conceive here but a con to this is that the unborn kittens could get injured. some cats prefer one of the gods over the other they're kinda just biased? maybe this can cause some problems within the clan, like those who prefer rain are always at odds with those who prefer fire and those who prefer love are all like "peace. love. unity. c'mon guys, let's not fight"? leading to skirmishes between them and the leader always being like "sigh. idiots." bc maybe when they become leader they meet the founders [idk what else to call them] and they give the leader the wisdom to see beyond things like the founders, to just live life? And like maybe each of the three give the leader something? Or just like a higher sense of something? Like rain gives the ability to make sound decisions, fire gives passion for the clan, and love gives the ability to see beyond skirmishes and struggles. the fire season stuff sounds good to me... the cats could call the beginning/pre-fire season Ready Leave, and call Fire Season Leaf Burn, and the end Rain Come ? And then when they're not traveling and their conceiving and nursing kits and it's raining more and it's cooler Leaf Prosper, and then traveling time falls into Leaf Burn ? And they use these terms for their seasons, so like they don't have Summer, Fall, Winter, Spring, they have [in this order] Ready Leave, Leaf Burn, Rain Come, Leaf Prosper, Repeat? idk just an idea? Ready Leave - Before Fire season, the clan prepares to travel. Warmer weather, less rain, dryer air. Still comfortable and manageable. End of Ready Leave is late mid-summer. (about a month) Leaf Burn - Mostly spent traveling. Warm enough to not need dens. Hot during the day, warm at night. Less water. dehydration. late Summer-late Fall. (~4 months) Rain Come - like a second Ready Leave, just right at the end of fire season. Spots of rain. Still danger of fires, but less likely. early winter (about a month) Leaf Prosper - Winter-spring. Kit season. Mating season at the beginning. Most warrior ceremonies happen now. Rains a lot. Cooler, comfortable (~5-6 mos long) -small edits to the quote for simplicity- A better word for founder I think would be Progenitor, since that is what a species originates from. It also sounds much nicer. -Infighting due to differing favoritism for the deities sounds like great fun, and a nice source of conflict especially if there aren't going to be any bordering clans. I'm thinking there would probably need to be a strong leader to settle disputes and/or keep the clan together as one unit instead of diving along religious lines. That said, how should the leader/deputy be chosen, and what cats/rank choose a leader if he/she/they are elected/chosen? Would Fire/Rain/Love pick a cat whom they deemed worthy(and if so, how would cats be able to verify this, if the deities aren't fate-altering objects?) Would the leader choose the deputy, or is that the job of the adult cats(ie no apprentices, or kits.) like a voting system? I actually really enjoy the names that you've chosen for the seasons! They're really interesting. I'll go digging around for an area to place the clan in, both of their camps etc. For organization's sake, would you mind if I combined allegiances(including Cat Heaven/starclan/whatever name we have for that?), the prefix/suffix list, genetics(because I for one, really enjoy realistic kitties, although if you really do not I will scrap this.), a map of the territory/camp, and medicine into one spreadsheet? like this? It'll keep the introductory posts shorter and is probably easier for people to reference if they need to do so, instead of scrolling up and down the page for a specific source. For a religious code/rules, are we just going to stick to the plain old warrior code? (minus a few if they don't border another clan.) or will we need to construct a new one?
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Post by Tinyelephant on Dec 10, 2016 23:49:36 GMT -5
Progenitor ? Yeah, I like how that sounds. - Oh totally, I was thinking that about the leader too lol Erm, I didn't really think about that. Perhaps the leader chooses a few select cats whom he/she thinks would make a good leader and they work as a sort of council - I'm thinking these cats would have to have apprenticed at least one apprentice to even be eligible for this - and then when the leaders dies or retires they rest of the clan votes on who they think is the best ? And in the case of a tie we have the medicine cat (or whatever we call it) be the tie breaker ? - The spread sheet thing is actually a really good idea, I never thought of that. Yeah, it would make it a lot easier and neater. I'm perfectly okay with that. -Religious Code/rules, erm I was thinking a Warrior Code of sorts, more specified to their religion and way of life. Same basic idea but more in depth? if that makes sense I like the idea of multiple deputies being voted upon for leader, as it could keep away Tigerstar v 2.0 from being leader, although certainly not guaranteed. Nothing wrong with some villains/antagonists. although if all else fails and there are no deputies or a leader, the medicine cat stands in for leader until the clan can elect a leader and more deputies? Sorry this reply took so long! I was actually working on the spreadsheet, lol. It should be done by tomorrow, and then I'll share it with you. Although I need to know a few things: -would you like to be able to edit this spreadsheet? If so, I'm going to need a gmail address so I can share it with you in such a way that you can edit it. -What are we calling Cat Heaven™? Just starclan? Or something more abstract? -are you okay with me sort of manipulating the geography of California to make this clan work more? It's difficult finding an actual place when lakes are miles apart from each other and there are houses every centimeter.
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