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Post by Winterstorm on Dec 2, 2016 12:30:34 GMT -5
I don't like him.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Dec 2, 2016 12:48:38 GMT -5
I really dislike him.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 2, 2016 15:06:33 GMT -5
Neutral, imo he's complicating character the Erins didn't handle well.
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Post by Hazeltailll on Dec 2, 2016 15:45:02 GMT -5
I used to not like him at all, but now, I mean, I don't really like him, but I think he's okay. I think he's better than a lot of the other villains.
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Dog spelt backwards is "god"
Pronouns: she/her, they/them
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Post by Ƒєαтнєяℓєαƒ on Dec 2, 2016 20:22:58 GMT -5
Hate his guts.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Dec 2, 2016 21:03:21 GMT -5
He's not meant to be likable. That's why he's the villain, and ends up in the DF. Not to mention he is a good example of what a culture of constantly fighting over things and having to constantly defend oneself can produce if that idea is taken and horribly, horribly twisted...
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 2, 2016 21:19:15 GMT -5
Hate. He attacks Bluestar when pregnant(from what I remember), almost rips a trespasser's throat out, and encouraged his apprentice to murder a kit. That's enough reason to hate him. Actually to clarify. He didn't know she was pregnant, and she was trying to intervene with business that had nothing to do with her, but secretly did cause Oakheart was the father of her kits. He attacked Oakheart because he was trespassing, he wasn't the only cat there either, Thrushpelt saw nothing wrong with it, he was more concerned about a cat on their side of the border. If anything, through Blue's pov, she was overreacting, and Oakheart left fine on his own afterward. And it's because of this scene that Thistleclaw was actually the first to suspect his relationship with Bluestar. And he didn't encourage Tiger to kill Tiny, he told him to teach him a lesson, not kill him. And you forget that Bluestar was also there, and did nothing until after Tiger roughed him up a bit. |
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Post by andy on Dec 2, 2016 21:38:56 GMT -5
I'm okay with him. I think he's over-dramatic and rude, but i like him far more than bluestar.
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Sootfeather
Now a BNHA addict. Mina Ashido is the best girl and I will fight you all on that.
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Post by Sootfeather on Dec 2, 2016 21:45:15 GMT -5
Hate. He attacks Bluestar when pregnant(from what I remember), almost rips a trespasser's throat out, and encouraged his apprentice to murder a kit. That's enough reason to hate him. Actually to clarify. He didn't know she was pregnant, and she was trying to intervene with business that had nothing to do with her, but secretly did cause Oakheart was the father of her kits. He attacked Oakheart because he was trespassing, he wasn't the only cat there either, Thrushpelt saw nothing wrong with it, he was more concerned about a cat on their side of the border. If anything, through Blue's pov, she was overreacting, and Oakheart left fine on his own afterward. And it's because of this scene that Thistleclaw was actually the first to suspect his relationship with Bluestar. And he didn't encourage Tiger to kill Tiny, he told him to teach him a lesson, not kill him. And you forget that Bluestar was also there, and did nothing until after Tiger roughed him up a bit. Still, the code says you're supposed to question a trespasser, not immediately attack, and even then, he was not justified in doing so. Hadn't Bluefur intervened, who knows what would've happened? Thistleclaw insisted that he should've ripped out Oakheart's throat, all just for trespassing. And while he didn't particularly encourage murder, he still encouraged his apprentice to attack a kit- a kittypet no less. A cat who posed literally no threat to the Clan. And yes, Bluestar should've intervened earlier, but it still doesn't make Thistleclaw any less unjustified. He is a warrior and should know that attacking a kit is a no no. It even says in the code that you shouldn't neglect a kit in danger, even if it's from another Clan, and while that isn't precisely what happened, I'm pretty sure it also implies that you shouldn't encourage someone to attack a kittypet kit. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 2, 2016 22:06:08 GMT -5
Actually to clarify. He didn't know she was pregnant, and she was trying to intervene with business that had nothing to do with her, but secretly did cause Oakheart was the father of her kits. He attacked Oakheart because he was trespassing, he wasn't the only cat there either, Thrushpelt saw nothing wrong with it, he was more concerned about a cat on their side of the border. If anything, through Blue's pov, she was overreacting, and Oakheart left fine on his own afterward. And it's because of this scene that Thistleclaw was actually the first to suspect his relationship with Bluestar. And he didn't encourage Tiger to kill Tiny, he told him to teach him a lesson, not kill him. And you forget that Bluestar was also there, and did nothing until after Tiger roughed him up a bit. Still, the code says you're supposed to question a trespasser, not immediately attack, and even then, he was not justified in doing so. Hadn't Bluefur intervened, who knows what would've happened? Thistleclaw insisted that he should've ripped out Oakheart's throat, all just for trespassing. And while he didn't particularly encourage murder, he still encouraged his apprentice to attack a kit- a kittypet no less. A cat who posed literally no threat to the Clan. And yes, Bluestar should've intervened earlier, but it still doesn't make Thistleclaw any less unjustified. He is a warrior and should know that attacking a kit is a no no. It even says in the code that you shouldn't neglect a kit in danger, even if it's from another Clan, and while that isn't precisely what happened, I'm pretty sure it also implies that you shouldn't encourage someone to attack a kittypet kit. My problem with his character, isn't that he's antagonistic, rude, and perceived as a bad guy. It's because the Erins were so inconsistent with him. Saying he was in StarClan, then saying he was chased to the Dark Forest, then again going back on that and saying he went to the Dark Forest immediately. Thistleclaw wasn't exactly a bad cat, because he never actually broke any real rules. Also the code talks about CLAN kits, not kittypets, and this has happened in a similar situation with Russetfur and Berrykit. Also the code says that cats mustn't trespass and all trespasser are to be challenged, there's nothing specifically about how to challenge them, or how to go about it. Literally everything Thistleclaw did, was loop holed, or within the code, even if he's a battle hungry cat. My problem is that the Erins then had to MAKE a reason for him going to the Dark Forest. Hence his training with Silverhawk, and then him having more of a prominent role in the Dark Forest as an actual bad guy, and not just from Bluestar's perspective. This is why, imo, I think he's a complicating character that the Erins did not handle properly. |
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Post by HvghDuhh on Dec 2, 2016 22:12:05 GMT -5
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✧-- Well, I don't really know anything about him....all I know about him is, him and Bluestar frickin HATE each other. And Snowfur and him were mates???
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Now a BNHA addict. Mina Ashido is the best girl and I will fight you all on that.
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Post by Sootfeather on Dec 3, 2016 8:49:56 GMT -5
Still, the code says you're supposed to question a trespasser, not immediately attack, and even then, he was not justified in doing so. Hadn't Bluefur intervened, who knows what would've happened? Thistleclaw insisted that he should've ripped out Oakheart's throat, all just for trespassing. And while he didn't particularly encourage murder, he still encouraged his apprentice to attack a kit- a kittypet no less. A cat who posed literally no threat to the Clan. And yes, Bluestar should've intervened earlier, but it still doesn't make Thistleclaw any less unjustified. He is a warrior and should know that attacking a kit is a no no. It even says in the code that you shouldn't neglect a kit in danger, even if it's from another Clan, and while that isn't precisely what happened, I'm pretty sure it also implies that you shouldn't encourage someone to attack a kittypet kit. My problem with his character, isn't that he's antagonistic, rude, and perceived as a bad guy. It's because the Erins were so inconsistent with him. Saying he was in StarClan, then saying he was chased to the Dark Forest, then again going back on that and saying he went to the Dark Forest immediately. Thistleclaw wasn't exactly a bad cat, because he never actually broke any real rules. Also the code talks about CLAN kits, not kittypets, and this has happened in a similar situation with Russetfur and Berrykit. Also the code says that cats mustn't trespass and all trespasser are to be challenged, there's nothing specifically about how to challenge them, or how to go about it. Literally everything Thistleclaw did, was loop holed, or within the code, even if he's a battle hungry cat. My problem is that the Erins then had to MAKE a reason for him going to the Dark Forest. Hence his training with Silverhawk, and then him having more of a prominent role in the Dark Forest as an actual bad guy, and not just from Bluestar's perspective. This is why, imo, I think he's a complicating character that the Erins did not handle properly. He could've definitely had potential and it was definitely wasted, but still. I know it wasn't mentioned, but I still don't think the code approves of attacking a kittypet kitten, but was probably not made as there is already a similar rule. The whole "question trespassing cats" was from one of the field guides, where Whitestorm mentors the original 5 (or what it just Sand, Dust, Gray and Raven? I don't know.) on what to do if a trespasser appraoches, and of course, Whitestorm says you should ask why they're on the border before doing anything. Maybe the code changed from that time, but I don't know. But yes, he was definitely handled wrong, he could've definitely had potential hadn't the Erins thrown it all away. |
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Dec 3, 2016 10:11:00 GMT -5
I used to hate him beyond all belief, but that was years ago. I do dislike him though. His actions were inexcusable and he never showed any signs of remorse.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Dec 3, 2016 11:24:32 GMT -5
Adding to what Sootfeather said, when Thistleclaw attacked Oakheart, there's mention to his claws being on Oakheart's throat and the RiverClan cat bleeding. Whether it was Thistleclaw's intention to kill him or just badly injure him, he was still being a bit extreme when it came to challenging trespassers. In that same scene, he also states that he wishes to mark the borders with the blood of ThunderClan's enemies, but acts as though nothing had happened when a patrol arrives. It's clear he isn't very sane by the time this happens, or at least in that particular scene he isn't.
And I don't think Vicky saying that Thistleclaw went to StarClan and then didn't should be considered as going back on her word since it doesn't seem like she was being serious when she said he went to StarClan, only to be chased out by Bluestar. And not only does it seem like something Bluestar would never do (she even believed that Ashfur deserved to be there if he found his way there), but it also wouldn't make sense as I'm sure Thistleclaw could've just come back if he really belonged there and I'm sure no one would've allowed Bluestar to do that either. It just doesn't make sense.
Aalso, I've looked all over for the statement and finally found it on Warriors Wish. Here's what it actually says:
That statement was made on May 17, 2010.
On March 15, 2011, this was stated:
Considering that CP was later released that same year, it seems as though Thistleclaw's reason for being in the Dark Forest are in that book—not only was he overly ambitious, but he also trained in the Dark Forest and enjoyed being there, and also insulted StarClan.
I do agree that the Erins could've handled Thistleclaw's character better, though. I felt like he was so generic and steryotypical—even more so than Tigerstar and Brokenstar—that I didn't even care for him as a villain.
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Post by pastelpills on Dec 4, 2016 11:19:00 GMT -5
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✧-- Well, I don't really know anything about him....all I know about him is, him and Bluestar frickin HATE each other. And Snowfur and him were mates???
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Post by tiger beetle on Dec 4, 2016 11:42:46 GMT -5
I don't like him, but I think he was a decent character in BP
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Dec 4, 2016 11:58:30 GMT -5
I never really cared for him.
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