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Post by Holy Fern on Nov 30, 2016 1:50:28 GMT -5
I dislike Rainflower very much, because she was so mean and an awful mother to Crookedkit/paw/jaw. She renamed him Crookedkit, and rejected him! She treated him so badly! I don't like Rainflower.
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Post by Holy Fern on Nov 30, 2016 1:53:02 GMT -5
Rainflower is an abusive brat
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 30, 2016 1:55:01 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure most of the fandom dislikes Rainflower for her treatment of Crookedstar.
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Post by darkpaw on Nov 30, 2016 1:59:59 GMT -5
She can go die in a hole
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Nov 30, 2016 6:45:00 GMT -5
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Nov 30, 2016 8:46:24 GMT -5
Everyone dislikes her except for the apologists.
I once saw someone claim that she was 'heartbroken' and that's why she disowned Crookedstar. what even?
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Post by Yoshimi on Nov 30, 2016 15:46:11 GMT -5
Well, my thoughts on Rainflower is one the most misunderstood cats, alongside with Scourge and Ashfur.
When harm came to Crookedstar she could not be in control and keep him safe his whole life. she couldn't protect him while she was on the inside. It ate her up, her only solution was to pretend he didn't exist.
Any cat, any mother who loved their kit. As much as she loved Crookedstar would have done the same thing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 7:27:49 GMT -5
i find her to be unique and interesting, but also a brat so overall, neutral.
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Post by pastelpills on Dec 1, 2016 8:15:16 GMT -5
Neutral, border with like.
I find her to be realistic to a degree. I was actually glad that for once, there was a character that is not flawless. Not all mothers are as loving as Squirrelflight, Goldenflower or Ferncloud. Some are truly just cold and heartless-looking, and that is a reality. It gives some depth to warriors as a series.
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Post by Holy Fern on Dec 1, 2016 19:21:23 GMT -5
She's horrible. End of story. True story. Yep.
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Post by Holy Fern on Dec 1, 2016 19:22:18 GMT -5
Rainflower is no better than Millie, duh.
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Post by kinkajou on Dec 1, 2016 20:35:13 GMT -5
Rainflower is no better than Millie, duh. she's worse than millie
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Post by Holy Fern on Dec 1, 2016 21:29:03 GMT -5
Rainflower is no better than Millie, duh. she's worse than millie I agree, and I hate Millie a lot!
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Post by Dawnrise on Dec 2, 2016 19:07:26 GMT -5
I definitely dislike how she neglected and put down Crookedstar, but I don't hate her because she at least felt bad about it. She apologized and I think that shows a lot about her character. She also had a reason , albeit not very good, for the way she acted. She was grieving in a way and she didn't seem to know how to deal with it. I don't think her actions were justified, but I do think she deserves forgiveness.
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Post by Holy Fern on Dec 3, 2016 1:16:53 GMT -5
Rainflower is evil and abusive and neglectful and I think she is full of crap.
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Post by Holy Fern on Dec 3, 2016 2:21:38 GMT -5
I hate her but not just because of Crookedstar. Rainflower was very shallow and only seemed to care about appearances. I don't even think she cared for Shellheart, but it was more "the deputy's mate" thing. She always went on about the status of Oakheart as a handsome, amazing warrior and only cared for Crookedjaw when it suited her social needs. I agree. She only cared about what a cat looked like outside, and ignored what they were like inside.
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Post by Ƒєαтнєяℓєαƒ on Dec 3, 2016 4:59:14 GMT -5
Rainflower is evil and abusive and neglectful and I think she is full of crap. I don't think "evil" is the right word to use when describing a neglectful cat. "Evil" is for truly terrible cats, who have committed terrible crimes, who have killed, who have manipulated, etc. By definition, evil is: "profoundly immoral and wicked" So I just don't think "evil" should be used when describing Rainflower.
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Post by appleleaf11 on Dec 4, 2016 22:39:03 GMT -5
I really don't like how she was mean to Crookedstar when he was a kit. But honestly, it made me think. I actually have a theory: So Rainflower got manipulated by a Dark Forest cat. They didn't train her because she wasn't good enough,but they think her kit is. So they manipulate her to be cruel to Stormkit, saying that now that he has a crooked jaw, he is never gonna be the strong,handsome warrior she wanted him to be,so he will be more influenced to be trained by Mapleshade. After she finds this out, she tells them to stop training Crookedjaw. Because she says she is going to tell Crooked jaw about the Dark Forest, they decide to kill her off by making her hit her head on a rock.
This is just a fan made theory. I honestly hope that she gets her own super edition or novella to explain why she was so needlessly cruel to Crookedstar
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Dec 4, 2016 22:43:44 GMT -5
I really don't like how she was mean to Crookedstar when he was a kit. But honestly, it made me think. I actually have a theory: So Rainflower got manipulated by a Dark Forest cat. They didn't train her because she wasn't good enough,but they think her kit is. So they manipulate her to be cruel to Stormkit, saying that now that he has a crooked jaw, he is never gonna be the strong,handsome warrior she wanted him to be,so he will be more influenced to be trained by Mapleshade. After she finds this out, she tells them to stop training Crookedjaw. Because she says she is going to tell Crooked jaw about the Dark Forest, they decide to kill her off by making her hit her head on a rock. This is just a fan made theory. I honestly hope that she gets her own super edition or novella to explain why she was so needlessly cruel to Crookedstar Or, y'know, she could just be cruel because he broke his jaw. It's possible to be that superficial without there being a dark influence anywhere and even then it wouldn't excuse her actions. And the Dark Forest can't make anyone do anything.
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Dec 8, 2016 18:44:16 GMT -5
Well, my thoughts on Rainflower is one the most misunderstood cats, alongside with Scourge and Ashfur. When harm came to Crookedstar she could not be in control and keep him safe his whole life. she couldn't protect him while she was on the inside. It ate her up, her only solution was to pretend he didn't exist. Any cat, any mother who loved their kit. As much as she loved Crookedstar would have done the same thing. That's a really interesting psychoanalysis, and I think I mostly agree. Some dismiss Rainflower as petty and shallow, and it's true that she may have had some need for good social standing (I mean, who doesn't?). But I feel like that's an overly simplistic and equally petty explanation for what she's done. If she really were that shallow, then why did she praise her kits for being "brave" when they broke the Clan rules by leaving camp, which definitely affected their social reputation negatively for a time? It does not add up. I'm not saying she was a particularly good mother. But when people claim she's abusive, I can't agree. While neglect is a form of abuse, Wikipedia defines neglect as the "deficit in meeting a child's basic needs, including the failure to provide adequate health care, supervision, clothing, nutrition, housing as well as their physical, emotional, social, educational and safety needs." I mean, half of these things are already provided by the Clan (housing, safety, social, etc.), and it's not like Rainflower wanted him kicked out in order to neglect his needs (in fact, she wanted him to shelter in the safe, warm nursery, just not near her). I mean, you could make an argument for emotional needs, but Crookedstar had his father to provide those, so there isn't a deficiency in meeting his needs. Instead, I see a mother who spoiled her kits too much, and some parents have a hard time saying "no" or putting a foot down for their children because they love them and want to be the reason for their happiness. After seeing her kit get injured, which seemed like he would never fit in or be happy later in life, Rainflower probably partially blamed herself for not being able to provide for her kit. In that sense, there is pride and stubbornness coming into play. Rainflower is psychologically unable to compromise for her failure to provide her kit happiness, and as a result would rather pretend her mistake never happened. That means ignoring the cause of her failure, and instead work harder on making her other son happy (which we definitely see, she ignored Crookedkit but provided more affection for Oakkit). With that being said, I don't think all mothers will do this. Millie is a living example of the contrary, after all. I think Rainflower had her own personality flaws and was unable to take the correct action as a parent. I'm glad she and Crookedstar talked things out. P.S. I'm not excusing Rainflower at all. What she did was poor parenting, and I think it's reasonable if you think she was neglectful, even if I may disagree with this facet. She does deserve a realistic reason, however poorly-judged it is.
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Post by Kibui on Dec 8, 2016 19:19:37 GMT -5
I'm neutral on her... I mean I do really despise her behaviour (disliking someone because s/he's ugly is just... what?) buuuut I like that we didn't get another "Gentleflower queen" if you know what I mean. I think it was a breath of fresh air to actually have a mother cat rejecting her kit, as that can sometimes happen in the real world too (though of course for other reasons than Rainflower's).
So to me I think it's nice to have this kind of character in the books and interact with its characters and world, even though I don't like her personality itself
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Dec 8, 2016 21:19:24 GMT -5
I'm neutral on her. I don't like what she did to her son, but at the same time, so many other cats have done much worse… Furthermore, she's a more realistic example in Warriors... Realistic in that in the real world, many animals will abandon their young if there's something wrong with them… That's effectively what she did to Crookedstar… It's definitely something different than expected in a twisted kind of way... And at least they reconciled in Starclan…
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