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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 13:24:52 GMT -5
I really like Leafstar and I think people should cut her some slack about naming her Warriors. Sure, the names are weird, but Sandstorm and Firestar never said that she needed to give them more natural names that sounds right. Plus, Leafstar is still a beginner, a leader who started from scratch as a loner. I think she's doing a pretty good job so far, despite letting in the daylight Warriors.
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Post by Snowfire on Nov 28, 2016 13:29:02 GMT -5
Leafstar . . SkyClan's leader? I respect her. She's alright, and I agree with you for the most part. ^ It's been awhile since I've read any SkyClan books, but I do know that Leafstar was as tied to SkyClan as Firestar to ThunderClan. But about the daylight warriors, SkyClan needed warriors badly. I'm sure Leafstar would have made sure that they're loyal to SkyClan anyway. Not exactly my favorite character, but I don't dislike her.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 28, 2016 16:38:37 GMT -5
✎ Leafstar and SkyClan in general need to be cut some slack. People go on about how weak they are, but this just shows how easily a Clan can crumble from lack of faith and possible allies nearby. Look at WindClan and ShadowClan for example, if one Clan hadn't intervened, they'd be exactly like SkyClan. WindClan has been chased out once and almost chased out a second time, they've had an inner war, their leader is now paranoid and caused the final straw for ShadowClan to rebel against Rowanstar. ShadowClan has gone through six leaders in a short time, was almost wiped out by their own leader, had a good chunk of their Clan leave/be chased out, almost was wiped out by illness, was taken over by Tigerstar, and partially BloodClan, taken over by Sol, had their flanks handed to them on a silver platter by kittypets, and again another rebellion.
Look at SkyClan's history and they have had more luck and do far much better than the other two so far. The first banishment was out of their control because a starving and weak Clan can't fight against four others and win. Plus it was mentioned many had been lost on the journey to the gorge, so their numbers must have dwindled. And we have no idea how long they lasted at the gorge. It could have been Cloudstar, Buzzardstar, then Spiderstar. And rats can be nasty things, even the Clans in the forest avoid them. Besides, Hailstar and Bluestar both died/lost a life to them. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 28, 2016 17:01:46 GMT -5
She's...basically a female Firestar...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 18:43:56 GMT -5
She's...basically a female Firestar... How? She's had issues with her deputy, she lets in daylight Warriors (which is something Firestar would have never done.. he allows visitors to come over for shelter and lets them move on) she also constantly says "I am Clan leader!" when her deputy takes control, which means she can be a little controlling, she lost her temper with Billystorm in a comic and Firestar is normally quite calm. I don't see how Leafstar is like Firestar. They are both entirely different characters with different personalities. |
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Nov 28, 2016 18:45:48 GMT -5
I think she's fine for the situation she's in... I can understand my lot people dislike her, but her Clan isn't like the others because they're alone... For example, they can't just rely on their own cats because there aren't enough, so they recruit the daylight warriors to try and help them... It seems odd based on the other Clans, but it's understandable for them (plus, they were remade after Pinestar's time, when the rule against kittypets was even created).
Skyclan's weaknesses were exploited in the latest book, but I think that finally being with the other Clans can help patch up those weaknesses and get her more accustomed to and on track with the Warrior Code (specifically, the parts she couldn't follow because they were alone)... So I think a lot of the dislike will die down when that happens...
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Nov 28, 2016 19:32:28 GMT -5
I don't find her to be that interesting, but I like her and have nothing against her.
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Post by Snowfire on Nov 28, 2016 20:20:12 GMT -5
Shes a bad leader. Permanent temporary warriors is a silly idea that left the clan vulnerable. Its ok as a temporary thing to introduce people to the clan but ongoing leaves the clan vulnerable to attack when their mercenary equivalents aren't present. She is also too swayed by outside opinion when she should be firm and firm when she doesn't need to be. |
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Post by Holly Snow on Nov 28, 2016 20:24:27 GMT -5
Shes a bad leader. Permanent temporary warriors is a silly idea that left the clan vulnerable. Its ok as a temporary thing to introduce people to the clan but ongoing leaves the clan vulnerable to attack when their mercenary equivalents aren't present. She is also too swayed by outside opinion when she should be firm and firm when she doesn't need to be. She didn't make it temporary. She made it permanent. That was bad. |
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Post by Snowfire on Nov 28, 2016 20:30:25 GMT -5
While the daylight warriors thing may seem silly, you have to consider how SkyClan desperately needed warriors. They were a newly started Clan. Although you have a point about keeping the daylight-warriors thing permanently . . . the Clan could be attacked at night while half their warriors went to their Twoleg nests to resume their kittypet life. Perhaps Leafstar should have a kittypet only be a daylight warrior for two moons or so, some time period, before they have to choose: Kittypet or warrior. She didn't make it temporary. She made it permanent. That was bad. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 28, 2016 20:42:00 GMT -5
I really like Leafstar. She's actually one of my favorite leaders and I like how she has flaws, though I don't always agree with her decisions.
I don't have any problems with the daylight-warriors either given what the original intention of having them around was—since SkyClan is such a small Clan, they need to increase their numbers besides just breeding and waiting for someone to join. There are flaws with this of course, but it did work out until SkyClan had to leave the gorge.
And sure, they're weak compared to the other Clans, but that's pretty much the point—SkyClan is still a very new and small Clan since Firestar and Sandstorm helped rebuild it. SkyClan isn't like the other Clans, especially considering that they live on their own and now they're pretty much homeless and their numbers have dwindled even further since we last saw them in Hawkwing's Journey. This is likely to change once they reach the lake and Darktail is defeated.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 28, 2016 21:12:19 GMT -5
She's...basically a female Firestar... How? She's had issues with her deputy, she lets in daylight Warriors (which is something Firestar would have never done.. he allows visitors to come over for shelter and lets them move on) she also constantly says "I am Clan leader!" when her deputy takes control, which means she can be a little controlling, she lost her temper with Billystorm in a comic and Firestar is normally quite calm. I don't see how Leafstar is like Firestar. They are both entirely different characters with different personalities. Firestar had more than enough issues with his deputies, daylight warriors are still kittypets--Firestar has openly accepted kittypet blood into the clans more than once. Firestar also struggled with his clan, because cats kept scorning him for kittypet blood, some wouldn't blatantly follow him because of it, like Darkstripe. Elders said that because he was named deputy so late in the first place it was a bad omen. Firestar has gotten in arguments with Sandstorm before, so I honestly don't see a difference lol. They're quite similar imo, especially in personality and morals. |
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