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Post by dogfood on Nov 26, 2016 3:01:50 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain we all hate Millie. I discussed this somewhere else, but I love debates and discussions so I want to open it up to more people.
Note: I don't like Millie, but for the sake of getting an A in persuasive writing, here we go.
Millie is flawed. Everyone is. But it helps to understand her, and I think I know how she's thinking. The reason why we hate her: her definition of normal isn't ours. Let me paint a picture of "normal". Say you're caught messing with your neighbor's dog. Imagine she takes you into her house and locks you up in the time-out corner. Your parents find out, they call the cops, lawyers are hired, and your neighbor ends up in jail. All because she put you in time-out at her house without your parents' consent. That's normal, right? Now let's move the scene back eighty years. You come home from time-out and tell your parents. They get angry at you, then the next day they say hi to the neighbor as they grab the paper. That was normal back then.
Basically, normal is a finicky thing. Millie's isn't like ours. Her version of normal changed when Briarpaw was crippled. Briarlight has life off so bad, and she's still persevering. Let's take Blossomfall's actions and put them through Millie's filters. Blossomfall snuck out of camp like a little kit. Because Briarlight shows so much maturity in her situation, and Millie's kits are all in the same litter, it would make sense that she assumes all of her kits' growth in maturity to be the same. So should the grown-up Blossomfall leave without telling anyone? Absolutely not! The consequences of getting lost is justifiable.
And please don't tell me I can't compare real life to cats. We're writing about cats that have the same thought processes as us, so I'm sure this fits.
I realize there are a lot of flaws in what I said, but whatever. Go ahead and stop making me understand Millie so I can go back to hating that emotionally abusive little piece of fox-dung!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 3:06:00 GMT -5
I actually don't hate Millie.
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Post by Ƒєαтнєяℓєαƒ on Nov 26, 2016 3:07:12 GMT -5
Neutral, borderline dislike. Her reaction was understandable, but she was also abusive. And yes, neglect is abuse.
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Post by Holy Fern on Nov 26, 2016 3:08:26 GMT -5
I hate Millie. She is freaking abusive and mean!
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 26, 2016 3:13:30 GMT -5
I actually don't hate Millie and there are a few who don't hate her too. I actually like her and think she's a good warrior and mate, but I don't think she's the best mother. Yet despite all this, I just can't see her as abusive, let alone neglectful. Probably because this issue was brought up in one book and one book alone.
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Post by Firepup16 on Nov 26, 2016 3:18:15 GMT -5
I hate Millie. She is freaking abusive and mean! No offense but you're claiming Millie is abusive when she yelled at Blossomfall a few times due to stress and anxiety over Briarlight's injury, but you also like Ashfur and claim he only did the things he did because he had a bad life. Logic! Ferncloud lost everything he lost too plus more! Heck half her kits were dead by time she died. And know there's only one alive. Just because you have a bad past does not mean you have to handle it the way Ashfur did. Back to topic I actually like Millie as a warrior, and although the incident with Blossomfall and Briarlight was irritating, I think she loves them both and they will move on. |
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Post by Ƒєαтнєяℓєαƒ on Nov 26, 2016 3:23:57 GMT -5
Also putting this in, if you read the mangas, Millie is actually a very kind cat and was nice to Greystripe when no other cat in Twolegplace was. He chose her as his new mate because of her caring and compassionate personality. I personally prefer GreyXMillie over GreyXSilver.
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Post by dogfood on Nov 26, 2016 3:34:29 GMT -5
I suppose I dislike Millie a ton for personal reasons. I have seen the effects of favoritism and neglect in my own family, so I can say I'm biased. If I were being 100% unbiased, I guess I'd still dislike her. Being a good warrior sets her at a neutral stage for me. She hasn't done anything wrong or anything exceptional. But adding onto that is her neglect of her daughter which does count as abuse. Whether you see it as abuse or not depends on what your mental portrayal of abuse is. But by the book, yes, she was abusing Blossomfall.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 26, 2016 3:39:42 GMT -5
I hate her still. She's a insensitive mate, horrible mother, down right neglectful and abusive, and disrespectful toward the warrior code on a few occasions. She's a lackluster character overall and just not likeable in my book.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 4:26:20 GMT -5
I agree with Maplefrost
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Post by Melodi on Nov 26, 2016 5:19:19 GMT -5
I hate her still. She's a insensitive mate, horrible mother, down right neglectful and abusive, and disrespectful toward the warrior code on a few occasions. She's a lackluster character overall and just not likeable in my book. Agreed |
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Post by Pandean on Nov 26, 2016 12:30:03 GMT -5
I hate her still. She's a insensitive mate, horrible mother, down right neglectful and abusive, and disrespectful toward the warrior code on a few occasions. She's a lackluster character overall and just not likeable in my book. Double this, neglect is a form of abuse and even if she wasn't physical with them her words made up for it. |
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Nov 26, 2016 12:42:09 GMT -5
I don't like Millie. She actually started out alright in PoT. Back then, she was sort of eh for me; not awful, but far from noteworthy. Come OoTS, Millie has become an awful, defiled cat. Her negligence of Blossomfall and her constant fussing over Briarlight (despite the latter indicating on multiple occasions that she needed to be left alone) was borderline abusive and the former's treatment was totally uncalled for. It's completely understandable that Millie flipped out over Briarlight's accident. But she took it too far.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Nov 26, 2016 12:42:42 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of Millie, but I don't hate her. I always felt that Graystripe wasn't the best mate to her, especially in comparison to how he was with SIlverstream. I mean, I rarely see them spend time with each other, while he sneaked out of his clan to see Silverstream and I never see him with the 3Bs like he was with Silverstream's kits. Even though they spent more time together and went on the journey together, it just doesn't seem that Graystripe values her and their kits as much as he values Silverstream and his kits with her. Graystripe never spends time with his current family. I understand that that must be pretty hard on Millie, especially since she gave up everything to be with him, and Briarlight's injury could have just been the breaking point.
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Post by Cinderleaf on Nov 26, 2016 15:13:18 GMT -5
I love Millie, but I get why people don't like her.
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Post by Holy Fern on Nov 26, 2016 16:15:56 GMT -5
I hate Millie, because maybe she should understand that it's not making Briarlight any better by snapping at Blosomfall. Plus, Blossomfall was probably worried about her sister too! And Millie should just accept the fact that Briarlight is injured, and nothing can help, especially snapping at her siblings. Not to mention that it's better to have one injured daughter and one happy daughter, than one injured daughter and one evil daughter. Because of Millie's ignorant actions, BAM. One daughter training with the Dark Forest. And the other cats are intelligent enough to realize that it's Millie's fault for Blossomfall's association with the Dark Forest. See why I hate Millie?!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 16:18:36 GMT -5
I love Millie, but I get why people don't like her. Yeah, same here. I understand why people won't forgive her but I personally understand all sides from every situation.. I like both Millie and Silverstream.. I was never fond of Millie's parenting but I can forgive her. |
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Post by Sootfeather on Nov 29, 2016 14:13:44 GMT -5
I hate Millie, because maybe she should understand that it's not making Briarlight any better by snapping at Blosomfall. Plus, Blossomfall was probably worried about her sister too! And Millie should just accept the fact that Briarlight is injured, and nothing can help, especially snapping at her siblings. Not to mention that it's better to have one injured daughter and one happy daughter, than one injured daughter and one evil daughter. Because of Millie's ignorant actions, BAM. One daughter training with the Dark Forest. And the other cats are intelligent enough to realize that it's Millie's fault for Blossomfall's association with the Dark Forest. See why I hate Millie?! But it's not Millie's fault for Blossomfall joining the Dark Forest. Sure, she had an influence, but Blossomfall made that choice entirely on her own. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 29, 2016 15:05:28 GMT -5
I hate Millie, because maybe she should understand that it's not making Briarlight any better by snapping at Blosomfall. Plus, Blossomfall was probably worried about her sister too! And Millie should just accept the fact that Briarlight is injured, and nothing can help, especially snapping at her siblings. Not to mention that it's better to have one injured daughter and one happy daughter, than one injured daughter and one evil daughter. Because of Millie's ignorant actions, BAM. One daughter training with the Dark Forest. And the other cats are intelligent enough to realize that it's Millie's fault for Blossomfall's association with the Dark Forest. See why I hate Millie?! But it's not Millie's fault for Blossomfall joining the Dark Forest. Sure, she had an influence, but Blossomfall made that choice entirely on her own. It is indirectly her fault, because the Dark Forest were targeting specific cats, one of which were cats that felt neglected, and felt like outsiders, due to family issues, ex; Breezepelt. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 15:37:05 GMT -5
But it's not Millie's fault for Blossomfall joining the Dark Forest. Sure, she had an influence, but Blossomfall made that choice entirely on her own. It is indirectly her fault, because the Dark Forest were targeting specific cats, one of which were cats that felt neglected, and felt like outsiders, due to family issues, ex; Breezepelt. l I know Millie is partly to blame, but no one forced Blossomfall to go there. Blossomfall chose to feel jealous of her sister, and the Dark Forest cats sensed this and took advantage of her feelings and hoped that she will betray her Clan. You can't force someone how they feel about a situation. You can spark it, but the characters themselves choose how to feel. Millie never forced her to go there. Blossomfall chose to stay on her own accord, even admitted that she liked their praise there. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 15:38:59 GMT -5
I'm on the phone, expect mistakes.
And I know Millie is a bad mother but I still like her as a character. Both Millie and Blossomfall are at fault. It isn't fair to blame the entire situation on just Millie.
And I don't see Graystripe padding after his daughter when she was upset with Millie. He is the father, so he should have been supportive to her. But he didn't help at all.
I'm not justifying Millie's actions but I think it is unfair to put the entire blame on just one cat.
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Post by pastelpills on Nov 29, 2016 15:49:46 GMT -5
It is indirectly her fault, because the Dark Forest were targeting specific cats, one of which were cats that felt neglected, and felt like outsiders, due to family issues, ex; Breezepelt. l I know Millie is partly to blame, but no one forced Blossomfall to go there. Blossomfall chose to feel jealous of her sister, and the Dark Forest cats sensed this and took advantage of her feelings and hoped that she will betray her Clan. You can't force someone how they feel about a situation. You can spark it, but the characters themselves choose how to feel. Millie never forced her to go there. Blossomfall chose to stay on her own accord, even admitted that she liked their praise there. You don't exactly choose how you react to things. For example, it isn't Blossomfall's fault that her emotions took over her. We are all different, and Blossomfall just happens to be sensitive - plus the fact that she was always pampered by Millie and BAM, suddenly Millie's only interest is her sister. It's not hard to get jealous in that situation really. Besides, we don't choose if we are jealous or not. We can push it away, but we're still jealous and after time we get over it. Some stuff are easier to get over than others and a mother's neglect certainly doesn't fit that category. Blossomfall was still young and was more emotional type and had hard times coping with her feelings, especially when she really had nobody to talk to. Millie was only interested in Briarlight. Bumblestripe lacks connection to his sister as shown after the great battle when he wants her to be punished, meaning he would most likely not care so much if she was banished. Graystripe wasn't there for any of his children he had with Millie. So in conclusion, Blossomfall's reaction isn't unrealistic or over-the-top. She had nobody, amd was easily corrupted by the Dark Forest. She and Millie are both to blame, but in my opinion, Blossomfall is the more relateable one. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 17:08:29 GMT -5
i kinda like millie :^)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 18:00:21 GMT -5
I don't hate Millie but I also dislike her. First of all. She didn't take a warrior name which pisses me off. She also has two personalities : Sweet and loving, caring , and sympathetic. But she also has a mean side which is rude, furious, and short tempered. Brairlight is obviously her favorite. Bumblestripe is in the middle for her. And she just plain dislikes Blossomfall. I think that Millie should first take a warrior name, APOLOGIZE TO HER TWO KIDS THAT SHE IGNORES HALF OF THE TIME. Sorry for ranting hehehe
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 29, 2016 20:02:46 GMT -5
l I know Millie is partly to blame, but no one forced Blossomfall to go there. Blossomfall chose to feel jealous of her sister, and the Dark Forest cats sensed this and took advantage of her feelings and hoped that she will betray her Clan. You can't force someone how they feel about a situation. You can spark it, but the characters themselves choose how to feel. Millie never forced her to go there. Blossomfall chose to stay on her own accord, even admitted that she liked their praise there. You don't exactly choose how you react to things. For example, it isn't Blossomfall's fault that her emotions took over her. We are all different, and Blossomfall just happens to be sensitive - plus the fact that she was always pampered by Millie and BAM, suddenly Millie's only interest is her sister. It's not hard to get jealous in that situation really. Besides, we don't choose if we are jealous or not. We can push it away, but we're still jealous and after time we get over it. Some stuff are easier to get over than others and a mother's neglect certainly doesn't fit that category. Blossomfall was still young and was more emotional type and had hard times coping with her feelings, especially when she really had nobody to talk to. Millie was only interested in Briarlight. Bumblestripe lacks connection to his sister as shown after the great battle when he wants her to be punished, meaning he would most likely not care so much if she was banished. Graystripe wasn't there for any of his children he had with Millie. So in conclusion, Blossomfall's reaction isn't unrealistic or over-the-top. She had nobody, amd was easily corrupted by the Dark Forest. She and Millie are both to blame, but in my opinion, Blossomfall is the more relateable one. Correction, the only person she really had was Ivypool. But look at Ivypool, she was also part of the Dark Forest. Also people seem to forget that Blossofall also felt that she deserved to be there because she thought she was a bad cat for how she felt. And that is so wrong, no young cat should ever think that way, and she wouldn't be if it weren't for how Millie was treated her. |
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Post by Holy Fern on Nov 29, 2016 21:35:33 GMT -5
This isn't about Ashfur, and no matter what happens, I can't say I hate him. Plus, Millie should understand that Blossomfall is worried about her sister too!
Plus, yelling at her kits isn't going to make Briarlight any better. Briarlight was injured, and there was nothing she could do about it. So keep her siblings happy! Its better to have two happy kits and an injured kit than to angry kits and an injured kit.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 29, 2016 21:48:00 GMT -5
I don't hate Millie but I also dislike her. First of all. She didn't take a warrior name which pisses me off. She also has two personalities : Sweet and loving, caring , and sympathetic. But she also has a mean side which is rude, furious, and short tempered. Brairlight is obviously her favorite. Bumblestripe is in the middle for her. And she just plain dislikes Blossomfall. I think that Millie should first take a warrior name, APOLOGIZE TO HER TWO KIDS THAT SHE IGNORES HALF OF THE TIME. Sorry for ranting hehehe What does it matter if she never took a warrior name, though? She's still a loyal cat, it's just her parenting skills that aren't the best and Millie certainly isn't the first to do this, nor the last. And Millie actually doesn't dislike Blossomfall—in fact, she actually does love all her kits and wishes that Briarlight weren't injured so she could spend more time with them. Just because she spends more time with her injured daughter and scolded Blossomfall once doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't like her other kits. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 22:11:06 GMT -5
I actually don't hate Millie. Dis ^ Not going to debate here though. People will still hate me for not hating her so... no point in beating a dead horse xD Glad to know I'm not the only one though |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 23:54:32 GMT -5
someone give me a tl;dr
anyway, i'm neutral with millie really. don't particularly hate her though don't particularly love her.
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Post by pastelpills on Nov 30, 2016 1:06:11 GMT -5
You don't exactly choose how you react to things. For example, it isn't Blossomfall's fault that her emotions took over her. We are all different, and Blossomfall just happens to be sensitive - plus the fact that she was always pampered by Millie and BAM, suddenly Millie's only interest is her sister. It's not hard to get jealous in that situation really. Besides, we don't choose if we are jealous or not. We can push it away, but we're still jealous and after time we get over it. Some stuff are easier to get over than others and a mother's neglect certainly doesn't fit that category. Blossomfall was still young and was more emotional type and had hard times coping with her feelings, especially when she really had nobody to talk to. Millie was only interested in Briarlight. Bumblestripe lacks connection to his sister as shown after the great battle when he wants her to be punished, meaning he would most likely not care so much if she was banished. Graystripe wasn't there for any of his children he had with Millie. So in conclusion, Blossomfall's reaction isn't unrealistic or over-the-top. She had nobody, amd was easily corrupted by the Dark Forest. She and Millie are both to blame, but in my opinion, Blossomfall is the more relateable one. Correction, the only person she really had was Ivypool. But look at Ivypool, she was also part of the Dark Forest. Also people seem to forget that Blossofall also felt that she deserved to be there because she thought she was a bad cat for how she felt. And that is so wrong, no young cat should ever think that way, and she wouldn't be if it weren't for how Millie was treated her. Thank you. |
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