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Post by Holy Fern on Nov 26, 2016 2:45:15 GMT -5
SPOILER ALERT
For those of you who haven't read Mapleshade's Chance, don't read this. It will say what happened.
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So as we all know, Mapleshade is in the Place Of No Stars. Why? She has murdered. A lot. But still, I personally think she should be in StarClan. She killed cats to avenge her kits, but she deserves a second chance. Ravenwing basically deleted four usefull warriors by getting Mapleshade and her kits banished! He caused a lot of trouble by having her banished, because he died, and Frecklewish was blinded. So how many cats were lost? Six cats. Ravenwing's fault.
And Appledusk was being a brat by blaming her for the death of the kits! It wasn't her fault, because she was trying to help them by taking a huge risk and taking them to RiverClan.
Poor Mapleshade was left alone. Also, you can't help who you love! Its who you are! And times back then were a bit rough. I say that Mapleshade should have forgiveness. She was hurt, and she helped her kits make the journey to StarClan safely by avenging them! Plus, a mother would be hostile and depressed from the loss of her kits, obviously. The leader of RiverClan should have let her in, and sympathized her, because, Bam! One warrior dead. She refused to Mapleshade, and Appledusk was killed. But do you think Mapleshade deserves a second chance? I think she does, because it must hurt her heart so badly to be rejected twice, and lose her kits. I sympathize her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 2:48:45 GMT -5
Dark Forest.
A bad past doesn't excuse Mapleshade's actions, no matter how much she's been hurt. She chose to kill. That was her fault alone.
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Post by Holy Fern on Nov 26, 2016 2:51:42 GMT -5
Well she killed to help her kits make the journey to StarClan. If she hadn't, her kits would suffer endlessly!
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Nov 26, 2016 2:53:30 GMT -5
Once again, a bad past doesn't excuse the action!
Mapleshade thought that everything would be okay between her, Appledusk, and their kits and did plan to tell her Clan the truth... eventually. Until then, she used the name of a highly respected, dead warrior as a cover-up for the father of her kits.
Ravenwing had an omen from StarClan and interpreted as meaning that the three kits didn't belong in ThunderClan, which did seem to be true given how clumsy they were on land but were able to do just fine in the water. And it'd make sense that he would tell Oakstar given that he was the Clan's medicine cat. Despite this, he did feel sympathetic towards Mapleshade and her kits.
As for Appledusk, he was pretty much a jerk, but did seem to regret his actions when he refused to fight Mapleshade.
Mapleshade was delusional. She didn't think of the consequences and not once did she think what she was doing was wrong. She killed Ravenwing for doing his job, and notice how this was before she got the idea to kill in order to silence the wails of her kits. And she did this at the Moonstone, no less. She left Frecklewish to die in a very gruesome manner, kidnapped an apprentice to use as bait, and though her initial target was Appledusk, she killed him by accident after she was going to attack Reedshine, who was already pregnant by this time.
Mapleshade clearly wasn't going to stop after killing just three cats. By the time she killed Appledusk, she no longer cared about avenging her kits, but cared about avenging herself, otherwise she wouldn't have vowed to Reedshine that she would get revenge on all her descendants, cats that had absolutely nothing to do with Appledusk and Reedshine except be related to them. After her death, Mapleshade pretty much became the catalyst for the Dark Forest training and the Great Battle as a whole. Her grudge stemmed beyond just that of the cats she felt had wronged her in her lifetime. She even tried to kill Sandstorm just because she had a better life than her, and later Spottedleaf for interfering. She even suggested on killing kits so the mothers would have nothing left to fight for.
Mapleshade deserved to be in the Dark Forest, and she sealed her fate the very moment she killed Ravenwing at the Moonstone. A bad past shouldn't excuse taking away someone's life. Nothing except for possibly self-defense should justify murder. Taking away someone's life is one of the worse things anyone can do.
Besides, she was actually proud to be in the Dark Forest anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 2:53:50 GMT -5
Well she killed to help her kits make the journey to StarClan. If she hadn't, her kits would suffer endlessly! Those kits were hallucinations. Vicky confirmed that because Mapleshade felt betrayed, she hallucinated her kits that encouraged her to kill. They were not ghosts, but simply hallucinations. Innocent kids wouldn't want someone to die. |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Nov 26, 2016 2:56:15 GMT -5
Well she killed to help her kits make the journey to StarClan. If she hadn't, her kits would suffer endlessly! No they wouldn't have because they weren't real! She was hallucinating! Do you honestly believe that three kits would tell their mother to kill cats who just made mistakes? And as I've already said, Mapleshade killed Ravenwing before she even got the idea to kill the other two to avenge her kits. |
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Post by ฦัฮฑัะฝััโัฮฑฦ on Nov 26, 2016 3:01:13 GMT -5
Dark Forest. Even if she had terrible things happen to her, it doesn't justify her killings. And with that logic, then we might as well send Tigerstar, Hawkfrost, and basically every villain ever to the Dark Forest.
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Post by โ
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on Nov 26, 2016 3:42:04 GMT -5
I feel like I'm the only one that prefers her in the Dark Forest because I think she's better as a villain, and overall it suits her character. Also from her standpoint, she earned her way into the Dark Forest, it's something she wanted. I highly doubt she'd want to go to StarClan, and be with the same cats that turned her own clan on her in the first place. The only reason she'd probably even have a bit of business with them is either over her kits, or over killing StarClan cats, lol.
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