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Post by Holy Fern on Nov 26, 2016 0:55:35 GMT -5
Who do you guys ship Squirrelflight with? Personally, I choose Ashfur. I know, I know, you all hate him for threatening to kill. But he didn't kill! And we can't blame Ashfur for being like that! In case you haven't noticed, he had no control of his life. His mother Brindleface was killed by Tigerstar, and of course he wouldn't like it if Tigerstar's son took his mate. Plus, Brambleclaw kept switching from hating Squirrelflight and loving her, and it was back and forth, like Katy Perry's Hot n' Cold. Brambleclaw could have her whenever he felt like it, but Ashfur was in the background staying loyal the whole time! So Ashfur was very hurt, and that made him cold and cruel. That's what happens when a cat is not treated well. Ashfur wanted a normal life, but he lost a mother and a mate. Not to mention his reputation! I feel bad for him, because this made his life cold. His father died too, and he wasn't special, with two half sisters and a foster mother. Plus, Dustpelt's life was pretty depressing, so he also had a sad mentor, which wouldn't cheer him up. Also, his dad had two mates. That's all I have to say. So who do you ship Squirrely with?
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Post by Ƒєαтнєяℓєαƒ on Nov 26, 2016 1:01:23 GMT -5
He didn't have any control over what happened, but he had perfect control over his reactions. He messed up real bad. But I still like him.
BrambleXSquirrel is a disaster, Ashfur was loyal but he obviously didn't love Squirrelflight very much if he reacted that way to being rejected. StormXSquirrel was just a fleeting crush in my opinion.
ShrewXSquirrel is the only one I like - if Shrewpaw lived to become a warrior, I would've shipped him and Squirrelflight hard. Also (correct me if I'm wrong since it's been a while since I've read the books), Shrewpaw died to impress his crush. He was very sweet and calm and would've balanced out his feisty and outgoing mate nicely.
And Dustpelt... nopeeeeee.
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Post by Holy Fern on Nov 26, 2016 1:03:29 GMT -5
SquirrelXShrew would have been a sweet couple, too :3
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Post by Ƒєαтнєяℓєαƒ on Nov 26, 2016 1:06:33 GMT -5
yes, it would have been
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 26, 2016 1:21:32 GMT -5
Bramblestar if I had to choose, but I don't really care for Squirrelflight ships.
Also, just because Ashfur had a bad life doesn't excuse his actions. He holds grudges to the point where it's dangerous. He still conspired with Hawkfrost, indirectly made Firestar lose a life, tried to harm Lionblaze twice, tried to burn the Original Three alive, and treated to reveal Squirrelflight's secret.
Another thing, he actually used Brindleface's death as an excuse as to why Brambleclaw wasn't right for Squirrelflight just because he was Tigerstar's son. Note that the two were actually good friends at one point.
Dustpelt was actually a good mentor to Ashfur and the bad things didn't really start to happen to Dustpelt until after Ashfur became a warrior. Dustpelt isn't the type of cat to let his personal issues get in the way of his duty anyway. Let's not forget that he was also mentor to Squirrelflight, temporarily mentored Sorreltail, and mentored Hazeltail.
And yes, Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight have a complicated relationship—that's the point! Their relationship is clearly supposed to be a parallel to Firestar and Sandstorm's and any other love-hate relationship in the series or in general
And what does Whitestorm dying or him having two mates have to do with anything? Whitestorm never seemed close his kits and this was during a time where fathers weren't as attentive. Cats aren't monogamous creatures anyway and we even see this twice with Smokey and Toadskip.
Ashfur and Squirrelflight were never mates! All she wanted was a friend and Ashfur wanted more than that. Yes, she thought of taking him as a mate at least twice, but didn't want to make any decisions until she was absolutely sure of her feelings. Another thing is that Ashfur and Squirrelflight didn't go well together either—as stated twice, they were like water and fire respectively, and not in a good way like Squirrelflight and Leafpool either. He would constantly protect her, and this was something age didn't want or even need.
Ashfur also seemed to be at least slightly judgemental against kittypets when saying that Daisy and her kits didn't belong in the Clans just because they weren't born there even though his foster brother was a kittypet. This of course offends Squirrelflight since she's half kittypet and her father and Clan leader was also a kittypet.
Squirrelflight also offered to be friends with Ashfur even after she rejected him, but he kept on ignoring both her and Brambleclaw, accused Leafpool of faking a sign just because Squirrelflight chose Brambleclaw over him, and even made a subtle jibe against the pair when they were discussing ShadowClan long after Squirrelflight became mates with Brambleclaw.
I fail to see how Ashfur would've made a good mate for Squirrelflight.
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Post by Holy Fern on Nov 26, 2016 1:29:56 GMT -5
I just know that Ashfur was finally happy when he was with Squirrelflight, because he was being loyal. Brambleclaw kept switching back and forth to loving her and hating her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 1:34:31 GMT -5
I ship her with Bramblestar.
Ashfur's actions had nothing to do with his unfortunate family life. He acted out because a girl didn't like him back, which is pathetic. He stole a life from Firestar, nearly killed Lionblaze twice, and attempted to kill a blind medicine cat and a young warrior to get back at someone who never did anything wrong. Squirrelflight had every right to say no to him, regardless of how rocky her relationship with Bramblestar is. He should have just accepted she wasn't into him and moved on, but instead he tried to murder her family who had done nothing to him.
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Post by Ƒєαтнєяℓєαƒ on Nov 26, 2016 1:37:05 GMT -5
I would like to add...
What does Dustpelt's "depressing" life have to do with Ashfur? Yeah, he was his mentor, but Dustpelt's life wasn't that bad, and I don't think he's the kind of guy to bring others down because he's sad and others aren't. Firestar wasn't affected by Bluestar's tragic backstory.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 26, 2016 1:42:40 GMT -5
I just know that Ashfur was finally happy when he was with Squirrelflight, because he was being loyal. Brambleclaw kept switching back and forth to loving her and hating her. And Ashfur didn't do the same? At least Brambleclaw didn't try to kill Squirrelflight's family, he was just cold towards her and to be fair, he isn't entirely at fault. I love Squirrelflight, but she's as much at fault with her arguments with Brambleclaw as he is, and that's why their relationship suffered—miscommunication, and they always managed to make up. Ashfur hated her the moment she rejected him and plotted on ways to make her suffer. That's not very loyal if you ask me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 2:37:23 GMT -5
i was always curious about squirrel x storm to be honest. why do people ship squirrel x shrew ??
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Post by Ƒєαтнєяℓєαƒ on Nov 26, 2016 2:41:14 GMT -5
i was always curious about squirrel x storm to be honest. why do people ship squirrel x shrew ?? It is believed Shrewpaw had a crush on her, and they were best friends.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 26, 2016 3:55:40 GMT -5
I'm going with Stormfur x Squirrelflight. It had better chemistry imo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 7:52:08 GMT -5
Guys, did you forget Dustpelt was Squirrelflight's mentor too?
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Nov 26, 2016 8:08:04 GMT -5
Um, Ashfur? Really?
Ashfur's happiness hardly matters in this context. He liked Squirrelflight until she didn't like him back. He would've been a very controlling and limiting mate if they had gotten together. He became downright murderous due to being rejected. He attempted to murder four innocents, three of them were practically children, and the other was his Clan leader. He conspired with Hawkfrost, endangering his entire Clan. All because a girl told him "no". Dangerous and disproportionate retribution, no? The fact that he's willing to murder for such a pathetic reason says a lot about him. Ashfur was dangerous and unstable, and downright twisted. Squirrelflight stated multiple times that she wasn't interested in a relationship, but he pressed on until she got together with Bramblestar. Speaking of Bramblestar . . .
As Mothflight said, their relationship suffered from miscommunication and lies. The lie part is completely understandable, even if I disagree with it; Squirrelflight lied to Bramblestar not because she didn't trust him, but because it wasn't her secret to give away in the first place. Leafpool probably would've been furious or terrified if Bramblestar had found out. I think that he would've been supportive, but Squirrelflight's hesitation is understandable. But I digress. The point is, they're a good couple. They found strength in each other, and repaired their relationship.
I also lowkey ship Squirrel x Shrew. If only he hadn't died.
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Post by andy on Nov 26, 2016 11:51:27 GMT -5
I pick Bramblestar. Their relationship was incredibly annoying to read when they were constantly struggling to get along with each other and arguing, but when they finally got along and got over everything, they fit each other greatly. They have history at least, and when they get along they're a pretty okay couple.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 26, 2016 13:23:35 GMT -5
Guys, did you forget Dustpelt was Squirrelflight's mentor too? He also temporarily mentored Sorreltail and mentored Hazeltail.
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