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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 14:23:31 GMT -5
Believe it or not, I'm rather neutral on her. Although it is on the borderline dislike side. I just never really cared all that much for her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 20:11:17 GMT -5
I have the same feeling. She's a bad mother but she just never created very strong feelings for me. Same for Lizardstripe.
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Post by Ƒєαтнєяℓєαƒ on Nov 25, 2016 20:18:48 GMT -5
You're not alone on that thought because I actually agree.
Crookedstar's "eeevvviiillll" mother. Does she really deserve all the hate? I mean, she is only hated for one reason: her neglect of young (old?) Crookedstar. Yes, neglect is horrible and is abuse, but I'm not defending or condoning Rainflower's actions. I'm only explaining them.
Mother cats tend to ignore offspring they feel will not survive. In reality, Crookedstar would have actually died because of the infection and because he's a wild cat. As simple as that. Or, he would have starved because it would be way too difficult to eat. And Rainflower's instinct told her that. She focused her attention on Oakheart, who she believed would survive instead of Crookedstar.
Was renaming him bad? Absolutely. But what if it wasn't for humiliation? What if it was a permanent reminder to herself that he was injured because she wasn't watching him? Perhaps she did it so that whenever she heard her name, she became racked with guilt and regret.
Rainflower was a good mother to Oakheart, because of her instinct. I actually don't hate her because she is the only cat in the series who is true to a real cat in the real world.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Nov 25, 2016 23:08:51 GMT -5
I feel like what she did to her son wasn't right in the world of Warriors, but at the same time it's a realistic defection of what an animal might ask you to do if something is wrong with their young. It was only seen as something wrong because Warriors are given human values, in a sense.
For this reason, I don't particularly like her, but I don't immensely hate her and someone understand what she did. Plus, she must've been proud of her son's accomplishments and still loved him after proving himself in order to make it into Starclan... And it's revealed they reconciled their afterward...
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Dog spelt backwards is "god"
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Post by Ƒєαтнєяℓєαƒ on Nov 25, 2016 23:28:43 GMT -5
These books about cats are very humanized to appeal to us humans, but Featherleaf has a very valid point. These cats are still wild and Rainflower was only following instincts that a wild cat would have. Many cats, Briarlight, Crookedstar, Brightheart and many others technically shouldn't be alive by the laws of real nature as they all would have succumbed to infection. Rainflower saw Crookedstar as a lost cause and there fore, abandoned him and focused on her healthy kit. Thank you ^.^ |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 26, 2016 0:01:18 GMT -5
I really don't like her.
While she did praise Crookedstar from time to time, that doesn't really change the fact that she still neglected him just because of a broken jaw. It's also a bit hard to say whether Rainflower genuinely loved any of her kits at all or just loved them because she considered them handsome.
And while Rainflower's actions are something a real cat would do, it's pretty clear that it isn't normal for a mother to abandon or disown their kits in Warriors, so her actions come off as cruel both to the characters and most of the readers.
In terms of character though, I actually do like her for being pretty realistic to an actual cat and I also found her to be one of the more interesting cats in the series.
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