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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 1:02:07 GMT -5
Even though Sandgorse and Rainflower (confirmed by the Erins) apologized, do you think it means anything? Sure, an apology is definitely a step to make up for your mistakes, but these parents were never really there for their kits their entire lives. Does it really mean anything, after everything they've done?
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Nov 25, 2016 1:15:52 GMT -5
This is an excellent question. I say it does make a difference, but probably not by too much. Sandgorse and Rainflower at least realized their mistakes and made amends with their kits which shows they managed to swallow their pride and acknowledge they were wrong, but that's all they really did, at least as far as we know anyway. There's saying something, and then there's actually showing it.
I guess it might be a bit unfair for Rainflower though since we never really got to see her make amends with Crookedstar and it was only confirmed long after the story was over, whereas we actually get to see Sandgorse make amends with Tallstar at the latter's nine lives ceremony and even then that's the last time we see Sandgorse and we still don't know exactly when Tallstar became leader, just that it was definitely after Crookedstar became leader of RiverClan.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 8:43:34 GMT -5
This is an excellent question. I say it does make a difference, but probably not by too much. Sandgorse and Rainflower at least realized their mistakes and made amends with their kits which shows they managed to swallow their pride and acknowledge they were wrong, but that's all they really did, at least as far as we know anyway. There's saying something, and then there's actually showing it. I guess it might be a bit unfair for Rainflower though since we never really got to see her make amends with Crookedstar and it was only confirmed long after the story was over, whereas we actually get to see Sandgorse make amends with Tallstar at the latter's nine lives ceremony and even then that's the last time we see Sandgorse and we still don't know exactly when Tallstar became leader, just that it was definitely after Crookedstar became leader of RiverClan. I believe that Sandgorse genuinely regrets his mistake but I think Rainflower only apologized because Crookedstar showed her "just what he was missing". He didn't even earn her pride. Yes, she has shown to feel respect for him, and maybe she might have apologized while she was alive, but everything was still after he became a well-respected warrior. Really makes me wonder if she regrets it at all or only apologized because of his leader rank. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 10:04:39 GMT -5
For me, it does. My personal view of an apology is a sign of trying to be humble- which is a trait I think very, very highly of and can make me think more positive of characters that have upset me quicker than those who don't apologize.
Granted, it's not as drastic as a light switch- going from hating a character to loving them just because of an apology- but it helps me to start Trying to forgive them, where as often before the apology, I often don't even want to forgive them. Apologies help force my stubborn wall of hate to the ground.
Does it solve every problem I have with a character? Of course not. But for me, it's strong enough to usually motivate me to at least try to think more positively about a character.
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Post by tiger beetle on Nov 25, 2016 11:23:25 GMT -5
an apology is a step, but it does not fix things alone
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Post by ฦัฮฑัะฝััโัฮฑฦ on Nov 25, 2016 20:46:12 GMT -5
I think you can regret and apologise for neglect and abuse, but that doesn't make it okay. People can forgive, but they won't forget. Even if you don't remember, you will never truly "forget" anything like that because it'll always be somewhere at the back of your mind.
But yes, it does make some difference. It proves that they still care and they regret their actions and that they would like to make it up to you.
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Post by kinkajou on Nov 26, 2016 17:50:50 GMT -5
They were too late
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Nov 26, 2016 17:59:54 GMT -5
I think the apology does make a difference... It doesn't really write what was wrong, but at the same time, it gives both the characters and the readers some closure... And in order for many books to be considered well written and complete, closure is something that's needed... Not to mention constantly having a grudge or never been forgiven can turn into something or feel horrible... I am glad the Erins averted that with those characters...
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