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Post by birdsong on Nov 16, 2016 12:57:36 GMT -5
I've thinking about this for a while. What if Tigerstar had been good?
What would have been different? Who would have lived longer? The list of people directly or indirectly killed by him is massive... Would he ever have been leader of Thunderclan? What would have happened to Fireheart, would he ever have been leader?
The first book wouldn't have been too different, because Brokenstar was the one who was causing most of the problems, but Redtail wouldn't have died, and Ravenpaw wouldn't have had to flee for his life.
The big thing to me is: what would have happened to Shadowclan when Nightstar died without Tigerstar?
How would the other books have been different? A lot of plot hinges on Tigerstar. What about Scourge and Bloodclan? Ack! So many things...
(Also I really need to read Thunder and Shadow and Hawking's Journey, I have no idea what half of these threads are about...) |
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Post by pastelpills on Nov 16, 2016 13:45:58 GMT -5
We don't have to think about it and wreck our brains, because he is evil at the end of the day.
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Post by kinkajou on Nov 20, 2016 10:50:25 GMT -5
Then my cinnamon roll Gorsepaw would live yay
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Post by Pyropelt on Nov 21, 2016 3:22:36 GMT -5
I think much would change if Tigerstar was nice and good.
I think a lot of cats wouldn't have been killed (whether directly or indirectly - like ordered to kill, or indirectly because of BloodClan, or something else)
Cats who would be alive: Redtail, Stonefur, Gorsepaw, Graypool, Boulder, Whitestorm, etc...
There probably would be no BloodClan in the forest, since Tigerpaw wouldn't have picked on Tiny.
Ravenpaw would still live in ThunderClan, and recieve his warrior name.
Tawnypelt would probably live in ThunderClan.
Darkstripe and Longtail would have been nicer probably. Darkstripe would have not been sent to the Dark Forest.
Lionpaw wouldn't have learned dark forest battle moves.
Maybe Blackfoot would've been deputy sooner. If not then maybe Russetfur. Though I think it'd be cool if Littlecloud had become a deputy instead of a medicine cat.
If Firestar would of had to wait longer to be deputy, myabe Brackenfur would have been chosen after Tigerstar became leader.
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Post by nem on Nov 21, 2016 7:39:54 GMT -5
I think much would change if Tigerstar was nice and good. I think a lot of cats wouldn't have been killed (whether directly or indirectly - like ordered to kill, or indirectly because of BloodClan, or something else) Cats who would be alive: Redtail, Stonefur, Gorsepaw, Graypool, Boulder, Whitestorm, etc... There probably would be no BloodClan in the forest, since Tigerpaw wouldn't have picked on Tiny. Ravenpaw would still live in ThunderClan, and recieve his warrior name. Tawnypelt would probably live in ThunderClan. Darkstripe and Longtail would have been nicer probably. Darkstripe would have not been sent to the Dark Forest. Lionpaw wouldn't have learned dark forest battle moves. Maybe Blackfoot would've been deputy sooner. If not then maybe Russetfur. Though I think it'd be cool if Littlecloud had become a deputy instead of a medicine cat. Blackfoot was deputy in Into the Wild, and he was exiled with Brokenstar. He most likely wouldn't have became leader, and he possibly would've died a rogue. ShadowClan would be in pretty bad condition, seeing how Cinderpelt never became a medicine cat. |
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Post by Pyropelt on Nov 21, 2016 16:16:18 GMT -5
I think much would change if Tigerstar was nice and good. I think a lot of cats wouldn't have been killed (whether directly or indirectly - like ordered to kill, or indirectly because of BloodClan, or something else) Cats who would be alive: Redtail, Stonefur, Gorsepaw, Graypool, Boulder, Whitestorm, etc... There probably would be no BloodClan in the forest, since Tigerpaw wouldn't have picked on Tiny. Ravenpaw would still live in ThunderClan, and recieve his warrior name. Tawnypelt would probably live in ThunderClan. Darkstripe and Longtail would have been nicer probably. Darkstripe would have not been sent to the Dark Forest. Lionpaw wouldn't have learned dark forest battle moves. Maybe Blackfoot would've been deputy sooner. If not then maybe Russetfur. Though I think it'd be cool if Littlecloud had become a deputy instead of a medicine cat. Blackfoot was deputy in Into the Wild, and he was exiled with Brokenstar. He most likely wouldn't have became leader, and he possibly would've died a rogue. ShadowClan would be in pretty bad condition, seeing how Cinderpelt never became a medicine cat. Oh yeah. Woops I forgot about that. Plus, added trouble for ShadowClan if she wasn't medicine cat. I wonder if ShadowClan would die off eventually, or if they'd have to rebuild after a while? |
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Nov 21, 2016 17:32:48 GMT -5
Someone did this in a fanfiction series titled Pure Evil (although, Firestar's line was switched around as a consequence).
Basically, a lot of things went the same way as they did in canon, but it was from Tigerstar's point of view.
For example:
-Ravenpaw became a warrior, but was evil, and died in combat
-Bloodclan never came to the forest, with the final battle being against a united Thunderclan and Windclan
-Goldenflower dies earlier, as do a couple other cats
-Snowkit survives, becoming the warrior Snowfoot
-Darkstripe is good and survives everything
-Whitestorm survives the final battle
-Cloudtail gets hit by dogs instead of Brightheart
-Swiftpaw survives
-Stormfur is dead, and Feathertail joins Thunderclan
-Stonefur survives the final battle, although barely
-Shadowclan receives the prophecy instead of Thunderclan, which is why Firestar joins Shadowclan
-Bluestar dies at the end of book 3, with Tigerstar succeeding her as leader
-Tawnypaw still joins Shadowclan, but it's out of genuine love for Rowanclaw, rather than hatred towards her own clan
-the reunion between her birth family and talking about her decision is made much more peacefully, with Tigerstar being proud of her anyway and that she was able to choose their own path
-Hawkfrost is good
Another fan fiction tried this called Heart of Fire. Most notably, it featured a female Fireheart falling in love with Tigerstar. Tigerstar starts to follow the canon events, but realizes that they will lead him to nothing in the end, and decides to become a better person. Also interesting that in this story, there is a bit of reincarnation of a sense going on, since the characters are able to remember past events (the canon being in the past), but sort of an alternate future. It's a bit confusing, but an interesting read..
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 21, 2016 22:43:14 GMT -5
A lot would have been different....Ashfur's mother would be alive, so he wouldn't have mama issues. Cinderpelt wouldn't be crippled so she'd probably pursue Fireheart romantically. Ravenpaw would become a warrior, maybe Ravenfeather or Ravenwing, and Raven x Barely wouldn't happen, oh no. Bluestar would have probably lived longer, but I think dogs will still make their way into the forest eventually, just slower. Gorsepaw would become Gorseheart, and become deputy one day!! I don't think Tiger would have been leader, cause Redtail would have still be around. Redtail would later kick the bucket, then Lionheart would still die in battle, then Fireheart would have been chosen, him or Whitestorm. If Nightstar died of sickness, my next guess would have been one of the cats still alive by the end of Yellowfang's secret and Nightstar's death. Maybe Wolfstep? Scourge would eventually come for the forest cats, he'd probably still want revenge.
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Post by nem on Nov 21, 2016 22:47:14 GMT -5
wheeledwarriorI know, for a fact, Tawnypelt wouldn't have joined ShadowClan. Rowanclaw didn't like Tawnypelt pre-POT, first of all. She kinda disliked her. Rowanclaw was the one to express his feelings first, after Tawnypelt worried that she would never have a mate because of her Clan's distrust. Tawnypelt probably would've gotten a mate in ThunderClan.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 23:48:51 GMT -5
First of all, Bluestar wouldn't have gone crazy so she would have lived longer. And when she finally died, she would have most likely been suceeded by either Redtail, Lionheart, or Whitestorm. Firestar probably wouldn't become leader at all, or would become leader at a much later date.
Ravenpaw wouldn't have run away, so he probably would have settled down and found a mate in ThunderClan.
Cinderpelt would have become a warrior and would settle down with a mate and kits. This means that when Yellowfang dies in the fire, she has no apprentice to take over after her.
The dogs would never come to the forest, so Brightheart wouldn't have been disfigured and Swiftpaw and Brindleface would have survived.
BloodClan would never come to the forest, so all the cats who died in that battle would have lived. BloodClan probably wouldn't even exist, because Tiny would never become evil as Tigerstar would have never attacked him.
Tawnypelt would have stayed in ThunderClan, so Tigerheart, Dawnpelt and Flametail would never have been born. Since Dawnpelt is never born, neither are her kits.
SkyClan would never be rebuilt, because Firestar would just be an ordinary warrior so his quest would never happen. Because of this, Leafpool would have a different name. Since no SkyClan, no Sol and no Darktail.
ShadowClan would cease to exist.
RiverClan probably would have stayed in the old forest when the Twolegs came.
Hawkfrost, Mothwing and Tadpole wouldn't exist.
The Dark Forest battle probably wouldn't happen, so all the cats who died in that battle would live.
Stonestar would suceed Leopardstar.
Graypool, Runningwind, and Gorsepaw would have lived.
Littlecloud and Whitethroat would have died from sickness
Stormfur and Brook would have stayed in RiverClan
Bramblestar wouldn't be leader
Onestar wouldn't be leader, Mudclaw or Deadfoot would be
Ashfur probably wouldn't be evil, or at least he wouldn't be able to pull the same stunts
The Three would never have powers in the first place, so the cats would have to move from the lake when the drought came. Also no stupid Lion x Cinder drama or Dove Ivy drama. Dovewing would also be mates with Bumblestripe, because Tigerheart wouldn't exist.
A lot would be different
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Nov 21, 2016 23:52:17 GMT -5
juniper Bush
Don't you mean "he"? Or were they still having gender issues with him at that time?
It's also worth noting that in Pure Evil, Sandstorm wasn't very loyal to Thunderclan. Firestar has joined Shadowclan, but she still becomes mates with him by meeting him in secret. She eventually bears his kits, as normal.
In that fic, Sandstorm is her mentor, so Tawnypaw is watching this all happen. It's implied she gets the idea that she can do something like that too, and that this is where she starts meeting Rowanclaw. Her mentor allows it because of her own forbidden relationship, and Firestar doesn't care because he thinks he can get away with anything and Tigerstar is the one that exposed him as a traitor (albeit with Bluestar dying at Firestar/heart's claws) |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 22, 2016 1:12:56 GMT -5
@twisterheart The DF battle would probably still happen, because of Mapleshade and Brokenstar.
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