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Post by chronophobia on Nov 8, 2016 14:45:17 GMT -5
when i say politics, i don't mean petty Democrat-Republican or "Liberal"-"Conservative" debate, but larger scale; and from all four quadtants of the political compass.
i was wondering if it would be worth to start a "chatroom" for that kind of stuff so people could learn more about opposing ideologies and expand upon their own.
i also need a bigger reading list for anarchism and capitalism.
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Post by ~TopmødeFlyinglark~ on Nov 8, 2016 14:54:11 GMT -5
I come from the UK, which has a much different political climate. It's more to the left economically and socially than the UK, with gay marriage, abortion and free healthcare not being issues. I understand politics to some extent, and would be interested in that.
Personally I would be a hardcore progressive by US standards, but generally call myself a 'green Nordic socialist'.
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Post by chronophobia on Nov 8, 2016 15:14:33 GMT -5
I come from the UK, which has a much different political climate. It's more to the left economically and socially than the UK, with gay marriage, abortion and free healthcare not being issues. I understand politics to some extent, and would be interested in that. Personally I would be a hardcore progressive by US standards, but generally call myself a 'green Nordic socialist'. that's very cool! and while it is more centrist in the grande scheme of things, it unfortunately is pretty looked down upon here in the United States.. i'm actually looking to join the Communist Party here on the United States, but i call myself an anarcho-Communist. if you'd like, i can share my reading list that will help you learn more about Marxism/anarcho-Communism. |
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Post by featherbreeze on Nov 8, 2016 15:27:28 GMT -5
I come from the UK, which has a much different political climate. It's more to the left economically and socially than the UK, with gay marriage, abortion and free healthcare not being issues. I understand politics to some extent, and would be interested in that. Personally I would be a hardcore progressive by US standards, but generally call myself a 'green Nordic socialist'. that's very cool! and while it is more centrist in the grande scheme of things, it unfortunately is pretty looked down upon here in the United States.. i'm actually looking to join the Communist Party here on the United States, but i call myself an anarcho-Communist. if you'd like, i can share my reading list that will help you learn more about Marxism/anarcho-Communism. aaaa Marxism is really interesting!! I take sociology so I've learnt about it, at least we've done perspectives on the family, education and crime (UK). I'd be interested if you'd share what you know in a more general sense!! |
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Post by finland on Nov 8, 2016 15:33:05 GMT -5
Socialist here! Hi!
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Post by ~TopmødeFlyinglark~ on Nov 8, 2016 15:50:57 GMT -5
socialism is a broad term
could you be a bit more specific
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Post by chronophobia on Nov 8, 2016 16:27:47 GMT -5
that's very cool! and while it is more centrist in the grande scheme of things, it unfortunately is pretty looked down upon here in the United States.. i'm actually looking to join the Communist Party here on the United States, but i call myself an anarcho-Communist. if you'd like, i can share my reading list that will help you learn more about Marxism/anarcho-Communism. aaaa Marxism is really interesting!! I take sociology so I've learnt about it, at least we've done perspectives on the family, education and crime (UK). I'd be interested if you'd share what you know in a more general sense!! i agree!! what do you already know about Marxism? i don't want to tell you something you already know, and i'd like to correct anything that may have been misinterpreted/mistaught. |
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Post by chronophobia on Nov 8, 2016 16:32:48 GMT -5
what topmøde said, haha there are many different types of socialism |
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Post by finland on Nov 8, 2016 16:33:51 GMT -5
what topmøde said, haha there are many different types of socialism Democratic socialist |
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Post by chronophobia on Nov 8, 2016 16:41:51 GMT -5
what topmøde said, haha there are many different types of socialism Democratic socialist very interesting! while i, myself, am quite a bit more radical, i do hope america is steered in that direction. it really does need a name change, though; it isn't Socialism, as it doesn't collectivise the means of production. |
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Post by ~TopmødeFlyinglark~ on Nov 8, 2016 16:47:53 GMT -5
I think we can reform the Western World to give workers more control over the means of production through increased use of collective bargaining, trade unions and encouraging co-operative business.
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Post by chronophobia on Nov 8, 2016 17:12:59 GMT -5
I think we can reform the Western World to give workers more control over the means of production through increased use of collective bargaining, trade unions and encouraging co-operative business. that would be nice, but reform will only come through a violent revolution of sorts. the United States is the most influential nation in the world; if anything is going to change, your best bet would be to have us change first. the difficulty in that, however, is how entrenched the majority of our population is within the illusion of capitalism, and how strongly our government is keeping them there. that, or just secede lmao |
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 8, 2016 18:57:57 GMT -5
hello
capitalist here, or once known as a classical liberal
it'd be nice to have a chat room about political ideologies that focused more on the technological side of things rather than the usual social stuff
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Post by 🎃❅❖.Şp໐໐kฯຟiຖ໓.❖❅🎃 on Nov 8, 2016 19:00:18 GMT -5
I feel like some people will argue because of this rather than expand their pov
But I think it would be interesting, at least.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 8, 2016 19:06:45 GMT -5
I feel like some people will argue because of this rather than expand their pov But I think it would be interesting, at least. |
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Post by featherbreeze on Nov 9, 2016 3:08:32 GMT -5
aaaa Marxism is really interesting!! I take sociology so I've learnt about it, at least we've done perspectives on the family, education and crime (UK). I'd be interested if you'd share what you know in a more general sense!! i agree!! what do you already know about Marxism? i don't want to tell you something you already know, and i'd like to correct anything that may have been misinterpreted/mistaught. at the moment I know it's a conflict theory, stuff going on between the bourgeoisie and proletariat, and with families it's many focus is the functions it serves to help capitalism (eg ideological reproduction) and explanations of why people commit crime (I can't remember any off the top of my head) |
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Post by chronophobia on Nov 9, 2016 9:02:04 GMT -5
i agree!! what do you already know about Marxism? i don't want to tell you something you already know, and i'd like to correct anything that may have been misinterpreted/mistaught. at the moment I know it's a conflict theory, stuff going on between the bourgeoisie and proletariat, and with families it's many focus is the functions it serves to help capitalism (eg ideological reproduction) and explanations of why people commit crime (I can't remember any off the top of my head) yes, it is a conflict theory. as you said, it's a conflict between Bourgoisie and Proletariat; in Marx's words from his Communist Manifesto: "Freeman and slave, patrician and plebian, lord and serf, guildmaster and journeyman, in a word, opressor and oppressed". in a general statement, Marxism is the abolition of fiscal and social heiarchies, as well as the abolition of private property [NOT personal property!!] and the seizure from the bourgoisie/collectivisation of the means of production for the collective good of the commune. Marxism-Leninism is probably the most popular type of Marxism, and the one i know the most about, so i'm going to be pulling my knowledge from that ideology. now, i didn't take sociology [oops], but i can assure you that Marxism does not work within the boundaries of Capitalism, nor is it's intention to serve Capitalism. in fact, as Marx stated again in the Manifesto, Capitalism wasn't a bad thing. it was revolutionary, actually, but only the first step. his philosophy was just a final product of sorts; Capitalism was the concrete foundation, Communism the building being built on top of it. |
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Post by featherbreeze on Nov 9, 2016 19:25:01 GMT -5
at the moment I know it's a conflict theory, stuff going on between the bourgeoisie and proletariat, and with families it's many focus is the functions it serves to help capitalism (eg ideological reproduction) and explanations of why people commit crime (I can't remember any off the top of my head) yes, it is a conflict theory. as you said, it's a conflict between Bourgoisie and Proletariat; in Marx's words from his Communist Manifesto: "Freeman and slave, patrician and plebian, lord and serf, guildmaster and journeyman, in a word, opressor and oppressed". in a general statement, Marxism is the abolition of fiscal and social heiarchies, as well as the abolition of private property [NOT personal property!!] and the seizure from the bourgoisie/collectivisation of the means of production for the collective good of the commune. Marxism-Leninism is probably the most popular type of Marxism, and the one i know the most about, so i'm going to be pulling my knowledge from that ideology. now, i didn't take sociology [oops], but i can assure you that Marxism does not work within the boundaries of Capitalism, nor is it's intention to serve Capitalism. in fact, as Marx stated again in the Manifesto, Capitalism wasn't a bad thing. it was revolutionary, actually, but only the first step. his philosophy was just a final product of sorts; Capitalism was the concrete foundation, Communism the building being built on top of it. can you define fiscal?? also I didn't know about the fact that communism builds on capitalism so that's interesting!! if this post starts stretching the page can u let me know pls as I'm on mobile so I'm not too sure |
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Post by chronophobia on Nov 10, 2016 11:02:07 GMT -5
i'm going to stop quoting now, because we're the only ones on the thread xD and don't worry about it, i can't really tell
i'm sorry, i misspoke!! i meant economic heirarchies. and yes! that's why every "Communist" country has failed so far [USSR, Cuba, DPRK, etc]. there was no significant period of Capitalism before their version of Communism was implemented. on top of that, they didn't hold true to Marx's teachings if a vanguard state; a government that represents the people and slowly withers away as the country settled down from it's revolution. i, in fact, wouldn't even call those countries Communist. they were "State Capitalist," a country in which the means of production it owned wholly by the State and isn't collectivised.
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Post by featherbreeze on Nov 10, 2016 11:44:16 GMT -5
this is really in depth omg im shook
that makes sense though, so like what youre basically saying is they need capitalism first before communism (in marx's teachings')
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Nov 10, 2016 13:11:33 GMT -5
I like this idea. It'd be nice to see more of the less commonly seen political parties. I myself am a Libertarian :3
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Post by nem on Nov 10, 2016 13:19:32 GMT -5
This is everything I know:
There are left-wing people(democrats(equality)), right-wing people(conservatives(not equality)), libertarians(you're calling them anarchists I think?), and (as quoted by a Gary Johnson advertisement)"big-government" people.
On a political compass, up being authoritarian, down being libertarian, left being democrats, and right being republicans, the top-left are communists, top-right are what we mostly call republicans, bottom-left are what we mostly call liberals, and bottom-right are what we call capitalists. People at the center of left and right but at the bottom are libertarians, and people at the center of left and right but at the top are "big-government" people. Also, people far left but isn't leaning up or down too much are left-wing people, and the opposite of them are right-wing people.
I don't even know how much of that is accurate.
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Post by ~TopmødeFlyinglark~ on Nov 10, 2016 14:42:00 GMT -5
This is everything I know: There are left-wing people(democrats(equality)), right-wing people(conservatives(not equality)), libertarians(you're calling them anarchists I think?), and (as quoted by a Gary Johnson advertisement)"big-government" people. On a political compass, up being authoritarian, down being libertarian, left being democrats, and right being republicans, the top-left are communists, top-right are what we mostly call republicans, bottom-left are what we mostly call liberals, and bottom-right are what we call capitalists. People at the center of left and right but at the bottom are libertarians, and people at the center of left and right but at the top are "big-government" people. Also, people far left but isn't leaning up or down too much are left-wing people, and the opposite of them are right-wing people. I don't even know how much of that is accurate. That's a very US-centric explanation. It doesn't really translate to Europe.
In Europe you get parties like the German CDU, Austrian OVP, Irish Fine Gael, French LR, Spanish PP, Italian FI and Dutch CDA who describe themselves as 'Christian democratic' and generally combine support for a welfare state mixed with encouragement of business, which they call a 'social market economy'. Most of these parties will take a moderately socially conservative stance, often taking stances in favour of LGBT anti-discrimination laws, adoption and civil unions but opposition to marriage (there are exceptions), and supporting abortion in certain cases but not most cases (there are exceptions). You also get parties like British Labour, French PS, German SPD, Norwegian Labor, Swedish Social Democrats, Spanish PSOE, Italian PD, Irish Labour and Dutch PvdA and so-on who describe themselves as 'social democratic' and support strengthening the welfare state and giving more rights to trade unions. They are generally very pro-EU and are very socially liberal by USA standards. You also get liberal parties who fall into two main groups. One of these groups is more left-leaning, consisting of parties like French PRG, British Lib Dems, Norwegian Venstre, Dutch D66 and Danish Radikale Venstre who generally think that equality is the most important value in a state and should be pursued through more social programs to generate social equality. The other of these groups is more right-leaning, consisting of German and Swiss FDP and Dutch VVD who advocate a high regard of civil rights and more market-based economics, but generally allow the existence of a welfare state. A recent trend has been in a surge of support for anti-immigration parties such as British UKIP, French FN, German AfD, Swiss SVP, Dutch PVV, Norwegian Progress Party and Sweden Democrats who are generally opposed to the EU but vary widely on economics, some taking a more libertarian approach while others being more left-wing. There are also green parties who focus themselves on environmentalism, social justice, more participation in democracy and pacifism. Finally, there are socialist parties that generally combine environmentalism with anti-capitalist sentiment and consist of German Die Linke, French Left Front, Danish Enhedslisten, Norwegian SV and Greek SYRIZA.
Generally I like the social democratic parties and the green parties.
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