Leafpool's "punishment"

Yeah I guess I agree that it would be better if she'd died (even though I would be sad) but death as a punishment for breaking the code is too harsh imo.

I feel like making her step down from her official rank (even if you want her healing cats, take away the title) is enough

Although not as punishment, Leafpool needs to die. The Erins focus too much on older characters, and it be nice if Leafpool, Squirrelflight, Brackenfur, Cloudtail, Thornclaw, etc. would die and let younger cats take the spotlight.

I just talked about this in another thread, so I'm this from there...



"I think her punishment was enough (heck, she was planning to kill herself over it). Plus, what is banishment and exile used for? Cats who are actively a threat to the clans (Mapleshade was debatable, but more on that later). Leafpool may have broken two codes, and temporarily abandoned her family, but she was never putting the Clan in danger. Not to mention that her kits were the ones that saved the clans (well, two of them anyway) so it did more good than harm.

Also on the subject of Leafpool being exiled, who was the last cat that we know of who was exiled for having half-Clan kits? Mapleshade. And what happened when she was exiled? She lost her kits in a moment of panic and desperation, lost her mate, and held resentment towards her Clan. That led to her becoming the infamous murderer the books show her to be, one of the most dangerous characters in the entire series. And knowing how low Leafpool’s opinion of herself was at the time the secret is revealed, who's to say she wouldn't do something like that on impulse?

And what would happen to her kits if she was exiled? They were fully grown, so they would suffer too. Jayfeather was shown having resenting Leafpool when he found out about her lie, so can you imagine how much more that resentment would be if she was exiled? Hollyleaf was well on her way to becoming evil, so exile would have just made that even worse (probably, she would've gotten exiled herself, or killed even more). I don't remember too much about Lionblaze, but considering how bloodthirsty he can get with his powers and that he already trained in the Dark Forest, I feel like it would be very easy for the Dark Forest to take him again.

So basically, I feel like something like banishment or death would have been too much, and would've had horrible consequences for the rest of the clan because the kits are grown. The only thing that should have happened was that Leafpool should not have been given her medicine cat position back, because that undoes the idea of the punishment. I think the only reason that was done was because Leafpool was repeatedly shown to be a poor warrior, and was of little use to the Clan that way.

As for whether she should die, I honestly don't see any reason for her to die. Thunderclan may have three medicine cats, but it's implied one of them will move to Skyclan. Not to mention, I don't think Leafpool is that old…"

Tbh, I'm kinda glad she got her position back. But that's just me.

True, I think she should have been officially demoted by Firestar, even if she did make this move herself. And yes I also agree that she got her position back too easily in AVoS. Like I said, if she should be allowed to heal at all still, it should not be under any official title anymore and she should not be able to share with Starclan/go to the Moonpool, etc. I dunno, banishment seems a bit much for me considering that I think she has been punished quite severely in the end for all of her misdeeds. Not being given her position back does seem like a fair punishment to me, though.

And yes, in the end I am pretty neutral on her getting her spot back in the end, I'm speaking mostly in terms of what punishment would have been fair, etc. c":

Yeah, I have to agree with Merlin. She really messed up, but she has suffered significantlyfor her crimes already, In my personal opinion. Although yes, I do agree, she is obviously getting some form of a pass that I don't necessarily agree with. And even if it weren't just the fact that she should keep a part of something she loved; she is a very good healer in general, and that is her best place to be in the clan, although I still think she shouldn't really hold the official title or have that back. Not that she is a bad warrior, and I wouldn't mind if that was her permanent punishment either.

Like Merlin said, death or banishment lean much closer to the lines of vengeance. Tigerclawwas banished. He wasn't even put to death, but banished for trying to murder his clan leader. It is crimes such as those or are on a similar level as those that I think entitle banishment or death, and Tigerclaw actually really did deserve death as a punishment.

Whoa that is little too much. It's not like she killed all four leaders.