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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 14:59:09 GMT -5
❀ That's good X3, same here. I'm a little dried up on ideas though. It sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 15:17:37 GMT -5
[ ✎ Yes and no, stuff like who will die first will need to be decided, I think. As for those who die as it goes on will be ironed out as we go. We also need to decide which Clan gets the medicine cat, which one falls first, and then the order. As well as potential key players in the rebellion.] Here is also something else I notice. I look through the rest of the pages, but I wasn't able to find much so if I miss something let me know! There was the mention of the Goosefeather medicine cat, which Rain said would be a key player. It seems it hasn't been decided about which clan he will be in as well as the other points mentioned. We could brainstorm some more on this. I would also like to know what your opinion is on my suggestions on the previous page. Rain put in her input to so overall what do you think? |
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Post by Lórien on Nov 18, 2016 15:52:25 GMT -5
Oh, hello. I'm still interested. But to be honest I'm finding it a little hard to join on this conversation. >.< [ ✎ How come? Just because we agree on something doesn't mean it's fully discussed. You can always bring up something or agree on it yourself. Any way I can make it easier?] Mostly just because I don't know what to say that sounds right and helps the conversation, or what needs more talk about. Maybe you could give me a topic that needs discussing? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 16:40:17 GMT -5
Hey Echo. I have another idea, but this time for the rebellion itself. What if there was a split in the rebellion? By this I mean that while both sides agree that they do not want 'Minnow' as their leader, they have different beliefs on how they should handle it. One side wants to take "Minnow" out of leadership through peaceful non-violent ways. They still recognize that "Minnow" is still a cat and that they might convince "Minnow" to stop. They feel that violence will only make things worse. The other group of rebels disagrees. They feel that "Minnow" has destroy their lives and will only continue to if they are left him alive. They are bitter about how "Minnow" change their lifestyle and jealous of his power. Some of the members carry deeper resentment for reasons of their own. They feel the best way to take him down is to kill them. This could lead to rise of two key players, who are both consider the leader of their respective beliefs. One rebel leader wants peaceful protesting while the other has a more war-like approach. Once the war breaks out after the fall of "Minnow", the peaceful rebels could play a huge role in helping resolve the peace. What happens from there is yet to be seen.
I also want to play on the possible idea that once "Minnow" takes over, that there will be some cultural changes as well. "Minnow" only found out about the clans and their way of life through a venting and paranoid "Smokefoot" and use that against him. I could see "Minnow" after a while attempting to change the clan's way of life to his image once he is in power for a while. This could give another reason why the rebellion happens as they are displease at the fact that "Minnow" is forcing them to change their lifestyle. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 18, 2016 17:39:17 GMT -5
[ ✎ I think the peaceful side would be very small. The violent side would be bigger and either want to kill "Minnow" or chase them out. "Minnow" has done some pretty bad things. They have publicly killed cars to make sure they remain in power. I honestly don't see them willingly stepping down.
As for cultural, I don't want too many changes. The group is supposed to split back into four and we need to make sure that will be easy enough with cats mating with former rogues. If anything, they'd train and hunt more and the warrior code is thrown out.] |
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Post by ⁻ ⁻ ☾ ᵇˡᵘᵉ ᵐᵒᵒᶰ on Nov 18, 2016 19:43:39 GMT -5
HE PUBLICLY KILLED CARS?!?? I'M ON THE VIOLENT SIDE, HOW DARE HE!
In all seriousness, Hi guys, I'm sorry I've been absent the past few days owo' Pokemon Sun and Moon just came out, and I scooped them both up, so I may still be a bit distracted in the days to come. However, I will make a huge effort to be more active here! c: also, welcome Chiba! if I may call you that! ^^
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 21:06:16 GMT -5
[ ✎ Yes and no, stuff like who will die first will need to be decided, I think. As for those who die as it goes on will be ironed out as we go. We also need to decide which Clan gets the medicine cat, which one falls first, and then the order. As well as potential key players in the rebellion.] Here is also something else I notice. I look through the rest of the pages, but I wasn't able to find much so if I miss something let me know! There was the mention of the Goosefeather medicine cat, which Rain said would be a key player. It seems it hasn't been decided about which clan he will be in as well as the other points mentioned. We could brainstorm some more on this. I would also like to know what your opinion is on my suggestions on the previous page. Rain put in her input to so overall what do you think?
❀ Sorry for my poof, I like the suggestions that you posted as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 22:17:08 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of things that you said Rain and that basically how I imagine it. I highly doubt that "Minnow" will have a change of heart and I don't think they should. Even if we went that route with all the bad things they did I don't see many clanners forgiving them anyway. I also see the peaceful group as you said being the minority, but that minority still having a voice enough to cause some conflict among the rebels.
As for the cultural changes ah that makes sense and I honestly didn't think of it like that. The way I was imagining "Minnow's" lack of empathy and care would lead to them changing a lot of things and sometimes changing things (such as ranks and as you said throwing out the warrior code) just for the sake of upsetting the clanners. Some of the changes would be beneficial to one group, but would disclude the other creating an unfair hierarchy and an unfamiliar world, but of course the changes would be reverted once the clan becomes the four again and "Minnow" is defeated. Now that you mention that, it would be best to keep it on a smaller scale.
Lols and hey Wolf thanks for the warm welcome! I am fine with that name! Ah I seriously want to get Pokemon Sun and Moon! I would get both honestly if I could. Do you have any plans on what you are thinking about doing? The only thing I know is for the first time I would actually pick the grass type. That owl is too cute and their evolutions are too awesome to me to skip out on. I usually go with fire types.
You're fine Cyn, I am glad you like them ^^ Now to see how the others feel.
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Post by ⁻ ⁻ ☾ ᵇˡᵘᵉ ᵐᵒᵒᶰ on Nov 18, 2016 22:44:39 GMT -5
I've almost always chose the water type (with the exception of Turtwig in Pearl and Fennekin in X) but this time I'm totally in love with Popplio! However, I love all the starters including Rowlet and Litten! but my little clown seal baby will always be my favorite out of the three cx
Is there anything I can help with at this point in time, everyone? c:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 23:38:37 GMT -5
I will admit that the rest of the starters are cute! I do like the design and concept of Poppilo so I can see why you love them so much! Well it seems that at this time we are working off the quote I saw from Rain earlier. Rain also said we can continue discussing more rules and developing the main plot. [ ✎ Yes and no, stuff like who will die first will need to be decided, I think. As for those who die as it goes on will be ironed out as we go. We also need to decide which Clan gets the medicine cat, which one falls first, and then the order. As well as potential key players in the rebellion.] I was looking into some more potential key players besides Goosefeather, the key medicine cat and our female villain(?). As for the clans I have a possible suggestion. Goosefeather could go into Windclan especially with how the clan feels they are the closest to Starclan because how open their territory is and Windclan is the one that gets taken over first. She could play up on the idea that she sees so much potential for Windclan to be so much more. The clan is often criticized by the other clans for being "cowards" and consider the weakest of them. This could get into the Windclanners' minds if she can convince them that they are just as strong and better than the other clans and she can help them. Maybe the order could be Riverclan because maybe our villain decides that she could take advance of a desirable landmark, The Gorge, which is under Riverclan control. She could also see valuable resources that seem too good to miss including having some extra protection because the other clans hate water and can't swim well. She could end up training the Windclanners to be at least decent enough to be worth Riverclan's time. Once she somehow takes over Riverclan, she could try and manipulate Riverclan into giving them one of their greatest desires: The Sunningrocks. She would agree that it was theirs and Thunderclan has no right to take that away. She also agrees that it would be nice for the clan to be able to sunbathe (especially her). She would promise them that she would reclaim Sunningrocks. Assuming this works, they would attack Thunderclan next. Shadowclan could get involve seeing as the rogues combine with two other clans would have Thunderclan be outnumbered, but Thunderclan and Shadowclan eventually fall. Of course there would be other subplots with the clans and other tactics that our female villain uses as I doubt she could just keep on invading and expecting to win. She would have to consider the amount of injuries, losses, and other factors that will happen when you go to war. Of course this is only a suggestion so this can go into another route and there could be a different clan that Goosefeather belongs to and another clan that gets taken over first. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 19, 2016 1:01:04 GMT -5
HE PUBLICLY KILLED CARS?!?? I'M ON THE VIOLENT SIDE, HOW DARE HE! [ ✎ Pommy, you can see I was on mobile. >:c Don't be a bum.] |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 1:08:46 GMT -5
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 19, 2016 1:09:53 GMT -5
[ ✎ How it'll be is just being taken over. Considering "Minnow" has "Smokefoot" they can appear wise and all-knowing like Sol in books. When the harsh leafbare sets in and a lot of cats die, some would question whether or not they should have listened. With that, some may have already left to join "Minnow" and the others are left alone, weak, and open to takeover. Depending on how everyone wants it, their characters can be taken prisoner, runaway/be chased off, or killed. I see "Smokefoot" coming from WindClan, like it seemed you said. And of course this would boost their attitude about having a strong medicine cat and being close to the Moonstone. So they could be taken over first, possibly paranoid that "Minnow" was sent by StarClan to punish them for banishing "Smokefoot" when it's obvious "Smokefoot" wasn't in their right mind despite killing two cats. However, I see the first Clan running to ShadowClan for help and being denied. Then RiverClan, and maybe those now loyal to "Minnow" discuss the situation of Sunningrocks. Of course that would probably intrigue a greedy "Minnow" and cause the battle between ThunderClan and Minnow's massive group. I do like the idea of ShadowClan being brought along, they can see it as them redeeming themselves after WindClan was taken over.
I think since "Minnow" will have all four territories and Four Trees, those who had been chased off would seek shelter at the Moonstone. Somewhere "Minnow" wouldn't go or allow anyone to go. I see some cats sneaking out to seek refuge there and some being spies and relaying information.
I also think we should keep "Minnow" in power for a month or so and build up the several different groups that will rebel. We can then fix any last minute kinks and proceed to the second part where the banished cats and their allies fight against those who like Minnow's ideas, but not "Minnow." Obviously this would be sparked after "Minnow" being killed or chased off. We can even pull a Negan where they're captured and they give advice how to rule with a stone claw. Just an idea.
Echo, we're discussing the plot right now, so any input would be nice. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 1:53:14 GMT -5
Hey Lynx! You would need to fill out a form and it will be up to Rain and the Staff to determine if your form is accepted or not.
I agree with all of that and it does help fix some of the issues from my previous post as it cooperates more of the plot. I also quite like the idea that "Minnow" would not allow anyone to go to the Moonstone and they would have no interest in that area anyway. I can definitely see cats seeking refuge there. I do agree that Minnow needs to be in power for quite a bit so a month sounds good to me. I think it will be interesting if "Minnow" does get capture for another cat's agenda. However I do not see "Minnow" easily giving in and will want something in return so somehow that cat will have to prove themselves. Despite this, I can see "Minnow" as vindictive and he uses his sly and witty nature to give off convincing advice that he is aware will only lead to this desperate cat's downfall. I am not too sure where to go from there if we went this route. The tricked cat could realize that "Minnow" is lying and seek to kill them or that the cat is also attempting to fool "Minnow" so it leads to chaos with the two attempting to play mind games with each other. There could be that the tricked cat tells his enemies that Minnow is still alive (assuming that he agree to keep his whereabouts a secret) and the cat's enemies (possibly the cat themselves) hunt him down and kill them. That or we just stick having Minnow be killed or chased out without being captured or go another route.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 19, 2016 2:00:33 GMT -5
[ ✎ Ooh, his advice could lead to someone's downfall. I can see "Minnow" trying to act like he wants to be a normal Clan cat and maybe it partially works for him to be a major issue again.] |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 2:18:09 GMT -5
I can see that. "Minnow" would be hoping to regain power using this cat. The way I am imaging it is “Minnow” is hiding out in the shadows and being a puppet master. He would be pulling the strings in the background, but in secret he is meeting up with this cat. However, it seems like he is working underneath this cat and attempting to prove himself because he wants to be a normal clan cat. I could also see him attempting to pull off other stories to make it seem like his actions were not entirely his fault, but the fault of someone else. That someone could be “Smokefoot” as he tries to pinpoint the blame on him stating that “Smokefoot” used him when he found out he wanted to be a normal clan cat and now he is at fault and everyone hates him. The tricked cat would do their best to try and help achieve Minnow’s dream. Eventually I do see "Minnow" being caught once again and this time there will be no mercy otherwise he could try to plan more schemes and cause trouble for the clans. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 19, 2016 2:32:41 GMT -5
[ ✎ If "Minnow" is female, she can try to make it seem like she did it to make a home for her kits.] |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 2:33:46 GMT -5
I can see that if "Minnow" ends up being a female. Personally I would prefer a female villain.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 19, 2016 2:36:56 GMT -5
[ ✎ So would I. A lot of the villains are male and a change would be nice.] |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 2:38:08 GMT -5
Yes I agree. It would be a nice change. If you would like I can organize a list or something of everything we have so far. At the moment I don't know what else to add and for the rules I have no further input for that either. Do we need any more subplots? How is the warning system coming?
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 19, 2016 2:42:36 GMT -5
✎ It's going fine.
I guess you can do that, it would be nice. Thank you. :3 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 2:43:59 GMT -5
Alright I shall! You're welcome and alright ^^ I will post it here soon. If I have anything else to add I will share it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 2:52:13 GMT -5
Wait I have another idea! I imagine that with rogues mating with clan cats we will have a lot of half-clanners running around. I see this taking especially into effect once the four clans become the four again and they must deal with the aftermath of Minnow's reign. I could see rogues as well as half rogues being punished as a result of bitter clanners. If they do get to stay in their respective clans they would be treated terribly creating an environment where rogues and especially half rogues are not look at as another clanmate, but more like prisoners. I can also see clan cats that were willing to mate with rogues having a hard time as well and some might even get exiled. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 19, 2016 2:55:28 GMT -5
[ ✎ I think exile would be too much. Some did it to survive and not all rogues would be bad. Yeah, there would be discrimination, but allowing them in would let them make up numbers they lost to the harsh leafbare and the executions.] |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 3:02:22 GMT -5
Yea exile would be taking it too far now that I think about it. As for the others I agree with what you have to say. Maybe that would be a minor subplot with the treatment of rogues and half-rogues versus it being a widescale major plotline especially if they did it for numbers and survival. That or it could be left up to the individual cats. If they choose to treat the rogues with respect then cool, but if not then that would be the problem of that particular individual or group of individuals. Whatever happens then could lead the flow of future plots. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 19, 2016 3:11:43 GMT -5
[ ✎ Agreed. I think it would be best to alternate between massive plots and small plots just for Clans. So a time of "peace" where the Clans deal with their own issues and then a plot like this. That way we aren't bombarded with plots and allows us time to plan a second plot.] |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 3:30:32 GMT -5
I second that. We and the roleplay do need a breather. We also don't want to overwhelm people with plots especially since we have so much going on already. I don't think I have anything else to add and if there are they would probably be minor plotlines that contributes to overall main plot. So I was looking at the front page and I notice introductions to the clans as another one on the to do list. Are the leaders going to make their own introductions for their clan page? |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 19, 2016 4:04:51 GMT -5
[ ✎ I was waiting for all of us to get on to see what they thought. xD I'm not sure if Sand would want to write Thunder's or not. She's co-leading, so she may want to, but her site moderator duties may prevent her.] |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 4:07:30 GMT -5
Makes sense. Well I might head off, but I am not sure. I am curious to see what everyone else has to say about the introductions and any input on what we have so far.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 19, 2016 4:15:17 GMT -5
[ ✎ I hope we get some soon. Good night, I guess? I'll still be up, my sleep schedule is a little weird. xD] |
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