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Post by wheeledwarrior on Nov 5, 2016 19:47:13 GMT -5
So, I was wondering something about something post-Last Hope and wonder what you all think.
So, as you know Bramblestar became leader at the end of The Last Hope, despite promises that it would be someone unexpected. However, it was revealed in Vicky’s notes that the leader was supposed to be Squirrelflight… Bramblestar would have run away because of his conflict with Tigerstar, leaving her to be the leader. However, Vicky said that the publishers didn't want it that way, so she became deputy and said.
How many of you would've liked it better if original draft (the one where Squirrelflight becomes leader) was the path that was taken in the books? Would you have preferred someone other than Squirrelflight or Bramblestar to become leader? If so, who? And should Bramblestar have been leader? And is he a good leader now?
In my own opinion, I think is a good leader now, but I would not have minded if he did not become leader after the Last Hope, just so we could get what was originally promised. I also don't think Squirrelflight is that unexpected (she is the previous leader's daughter, and was part of a prophecy).
I think if I had to pick a cat that was unexpected I would probably go with Cloudtail (I think he had an apprentice at the time of Last Hope). No one expects him because he’s a big brash and wayward, and it's not a secret that he does not believe in Starclan. But it would make sense and provide major character development to his little story (going from not believing in Starclan to seeing and believing, as well as wayward to so trusted by his clan that he becomes leader).
I know a lot of people thought Lionblaze or Cinderheart, but I don't see them as unexpected either (both of them were "special" cats).
So what you think of this?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 5, 2016 20:01:00 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you don't have to put a spoiler warning since most people have already read The Last Hope by this point, but anyway, I think Squirrelflight or anyone else for that matter becoming leader instead of Bramblestar would've been interesting if it were written well. But it probably would've seemed as if it came out of nowhere and Bramblestar's character arc might've been rendered useless if they did go with the original plan to have him leave ThunderClan and let someone else take his place since he did spend pretty much his entire life trying to escape his father's legacy and leaves ThunderClan after so long. While I can see the reasons behind this, it just wouldn't seem like something he would do.
And yes, Cloudtail has trained several cats: Brightheart (unofficially),Rainwhisker,Cinderheart, Flametail (temporarily),Toadstep, Cherryfall (temporarily),and supposedly Hollytuft. He didn't train anyone during TLH, though, but Foxleap (Cherryfall's official mentor) and Rosepetal (Molewhisker's mentor) did.
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Post by Amber on Nov 5, 2016 20:21:59 GMT -5
I didn't know that. Honestly, that sounds like an interesting idea that'd I'd love to see. Now, out of Bramblestar and Squirrelflight, I would've want Squirrelflight to become leader. I'd think she'd make a great one despite the whole Firestar Dynasty thing we have going on. The only set back from that is her age. She'd old now and I'd personally love some focus on younger characters.
As for your idea of Cloudtail, that's unexpected. It'd be really interesting to see him as leader, someone who doesn't believe in StarClan and, as you mentioned, who is brash. And with him becoming leader, perhaps he'd believe in StarClan and get his nine lives, or maybe there could be another Nightstar situation and that because he doesn't believe in StarClan, he never gets his nine lives. The only thing not wanting him to be leader in TLH would be his age. Again, he's old at this point and it'd be nice to have not only Firestar's Dynasty be stopped, but have some focus on the newer background characters.
As an alternative leader for ThunderClan, here are our options:
Sandstorm
Graystripe
Dustpelt
Brackenfur
Cloudtail
Sorreltail
Thornclaw
Spiderleg
Whitewing
Poppyfrost
Hazeltail
Foxleap
Lionblaze
Cinderheart
Rosepetal
I would not say Sandstorm, Graystripe, Dustpelt, Cloudtail, Thornclaw, Sorreltail and Brackenfur due to their age. They were old in TLH and might not last too long. Poppyfrost I feel would be too soft as leader and she's too minor. Mousewhisker, Hazeltail, Rosepetal and even Whitewing are all too minor. That leaves Spiderleg, Cinderheart, Lionblaze, Squirrelflight and Foxleap. As you mentioned, Cinderheart and Lionblaze are "special cats". Squirrelflight also can be seen as one. This leaves Spiderleg and Foxleap.
Despite being a medico father, I think Spiderleg could make a good leader. He's responsible and seemed the kind of tome top get angered easily which would be an interesting trait to see in a ThunderClan leader. Meanwhile, Foxleap seemed like a good tom. Despite being young and a little brash from what I remember, he might've made a good leader.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 5, 2016 20:23:52 GMT -5
I would have preferred Squirrelstar then Brackenfur as deputy, or Cloudtail, but then they die in AVoS and Ivypool becomes the next deputy. I personally don't like Bramblestar as a leader, he's not really...that impressive. And Squirrelflight was doing a better job at deputy than Bramblestar was at leadership in his own book.
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Post by tiger beetle on Nov 5, 2016 20:25:03 GMT -5
I think Squirrelflight being leader would have been more interesting…don't think I'd pick her but definitely more interesting…
that said, I don't think Bramblestar running away would have been a good decision; just kill him off
as far as unexpected, maybe Poppyfrost, Hazeltail, or Foxleap? I could also see the Erins thinking Cinderheart would be unexpected but I do agree that she wasn't actually unexpected
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 5, 2016 20:31:17 GMT -5
[ ✎ Squirrelstar sounds better than Bramblestar.] |
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Nov 5, 2016 20:59:34 GMT -5
I would have liked to see Bramblesfar abandon his Clan after falling under the belief that he cannot be leader of ThunderClan because his blood is tainted by Tigerstar and that in turn would make him a tyrant when given power or something similar. He becomes leader in TLH still, but BrS's plotline is entirely different.
The storm in the title refers to Bramblestar's inner mental struggle. He eventually drives himself to a breaking point with his fear of becoming like his father, and cracks in the midst of an invasion by WindClan. He flees the battle, vanishing beyond the border and into uncharted territory. Squirrelflight chases after him, leaving the Clan without a leader. They lose the battle as a result, and are taken over by WindClan. The book ends on this cliffhanger, which opens back up in AVoS with the main struggle of the book not being against loners, but against Onestar and the warriors who seized control of ThunderClan. Alderpaw and Sparkpaw, who are the children of Cherryfall and Stormcloud rather than Bramblestar and Squirrelflight, interpret a dream Alderpaw has to mean that they must go out on a quest to find Bramblestar. Squirrelflight, who has returned, joins them, as she knows Bramblestar best. Along the journey, Squirrelflight dies, but encourages Alderpaw in a dream to keep going. He and Sparkpaw end up finding the lost SkyClan instead of Bramblestar, and find out that they are headed to the lake in search of the four other Clans. Alderpaw and Sparkpaw lead them back to the lake, where they try to overthrow Onestar but fail as Leafstar is not used to fighting trained warriors and is not able to strategize properly enough to secure a victory. They too are conquered by Onestar, who then cracks down on the ThunderClan cats as punishment for their attempt to overthrow him.
The remainder of the arc centers on the fight against his tyranny, which eventually expands to include ShadowClan and RiverClan and quickly becomes a dictatorship. The dictatorship is ten times as successful as Tigerstar's, mainly because Onestar didn't get himself killed by a rogue as Tigerstar did.
Woah. Got a little carried away there oops
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Nov 5, 2016 21:57:15 GMT -5
I would of been mad. That would of made everything he went through for nothing.
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Post by Sablemoon on Nov 5, 2016 22:45:50 GMT -5
I think it would've been better if he died, went to StarClan and killed his father in the battle rather than run away, it sounds so out of character for Bramblestar to do that.
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Post by pastelpills on Nov 5, 2016 23:54:34 GMT -5
If they made Bramblestar run away I would get mad. It would ruin the little good TLH has in itself.
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