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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 11:26:48 GMT -5
Now, while I like Ivypool, I still think she could have been written better. Her story was just cliche, and I really wish the Erins were more creative with this character.
How do you think things would have been if the Erins turned her into a villain? Do you think she would have been written better if she became a villain, or are you fine with the way how she was written?
I really wish the Erins could have at least not made her so jealous of her sister.. I still don't like how they wrote her out to be a jealous brat, but other than that, I'm only giving Ivypool a pass for that because at least she has actual character growth compared to most characters in the Warriors series. Ivypool was okay. But she still could have been written better. But I think she would have been more interesting if she became a character similar to Clear Sky - letting her emotions get the best of herself, fighting Dovewing and her own Clanmates in battle, only ending up realizing what a huge mistake she made by killing Dovewing off, then tries to redeem herself, but still feel deep remorse for her crimes.
Clear Sky/Skystar was wonderfully written, and I really wish Ivypool's story was something similar to him.
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Post by pastelpills on Nov 3, 2016 11:35:19 GMT -5
I like the way she is written. And no, I wouldn't like her as a villain. She is cool as she is.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 3, 2016 11:56:52 GMT -5
Everytime I hear people say her story is cliche I'm like...how? Cause there's never been an instance in the story, before these two, where we have two feuding sisters. If anything, Twig and Violet's relationship can be considered cliche'.
Also I feel like if Ivypool killed Dovewing, even if she wouldn't in canon, it would be too late for her at that point. Clear Sky couldn't even kill Gray Wing...
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 3, 2016 12:04:34 GMT -5
Ivypool certainly has the potential towards becoming a villain. Now it just depends whether it could have been done well. While I don't personally like the word cliché, if you think she's one now, then making her evil would've only added onto that.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 3, 2016 12:09:41 GMT -5
Everytime I hear people say her story is cliche I'm like...how? Cause there's never been an instance in the story, before these two, where we have two feuding sisters. If anything, Twig and Violet's relationship can be considered cliche'. Also I feel like if Ivypool killed Dovewing, even if she wouldn't in canon, it would be too late for her at that point. Clear Sky couldn't even kill Gray Wing... I think people mean is that it's cliché in general. Sibling rivalries have been done several times before, same goes for the story of the underdog, and kid joining a bad crowd. Ivypool's story is nothing new to literature at all. |
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Post by Pandean on Nov 3, 2016 14:02:33 GMT -5
Everytime I hear people say her story is cliche I'm like...how? Cause there's never been an instance in the story, before these two, where we have two feuding sisters. If anything, Twig and Violet's relationship can be considered cliche'. Also I feel like if Ivypool killed Dovewing, even if she wouldn't in canon, it would be too late for her at that point. Clear Sky couldn't even kill Gray Wing... I think people mean is that it's cliché in general. Sibling rivalries have been done several times before, same goes for the story of the underdog, and kid joining a bad crowd. Ivypool's story is nothing new to literature at all. I mean it's not like Warriors is grounbreaking literature in the first place... I'm actually not too annoyed/etc. at the Dove/Ivy drama...I can understand sibling jealous and how it can be so destructive and I also think it comes with the territory if one sibling is deemed 'special' and the other isn't. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 3, 2016 14:15:50 GMT -5
I think people mean is that it's cliché in general. Sibling rivalries have been done several times before, same goes for the story of the underdog, and kid joining a bad crowd. Ivypool's story is nothing new to literature at all. I mean it's not like Warriors is grounbreaking literature in the first place... Oh, I know. I was just pointing out why people may consider Ivypool and her overall story arc to be a cliché. I kind of agree, but then again, I don't care much if something is a cliché or not anyway considering that it's really hard to come up with something completely original these days since literature has been around for literally thousands of years. |
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Post by pastelpills on Nov 3, 2016 15:23:18 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with some clichés imo, it's not like Warriors is known for its originality anyways.
At least we don't have any of the protagonist-kit-gets-abused-by-its-mother kind of bullcrap.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Nov 3, 2016 18:05:17 GMT -5
Could she have made a good villain? Maybe. But not as she was in the story. An evil sibling is just as cliché as one that isn't the villain (in fact, this trope is as old as the Bible). So if Ivypool is cliché now, she might be even more cliché as a villain, unless her character gets changed completely.
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Post by Holly Snow on Nov 3, 2016 18:36:14 GMT -5
Could she have made a good villain? Maybe. But not as she was in the story. An evil sibling is just as cliché as one that isn't the villain (in fact, this trope is as old as the Bible). So if Ivypool is cliché now, she might be even more cliché as a villain, unless her character gets changed completely. I think we see it multiple times in the bible |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 3, 2016 19:51:14 GMT -5
Idk, thinking about Ivypool being a villain probably would have been interesting. Ivypool still had a sense of justice even in the Dark Forest, she'd probably end up becoming a lawful evil, in a way similar to Hollyleaf. Ivypool was feared by other cats in the forest, she was also a good fighter, and could even take on two toms at once. She also was a quick thinker, and clever, and was praised by even cats like Tigerstar and Mapleshade. She probably would have been a good villain, but I don't think she'd become evil over her sister. She'd be evil because she'd want acknowledgement. She'd want others to praise her, and also be able to look down on other cats, making them feel inferior. To me this would have been the type of villain she'd be.
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Post by tiger beetle on Nov 3, 2016 20:07:55 GMT -5
I think she had the potential to be a good villain, but I'm not sure they could have pulled it off considering it was OOTS
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Post by kinkajou on Nov 5, 2016 20:55:13 GMT -5
She would be an awesome villian
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