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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 2, 2016 22:07:59 GMT -5
I feel like I'm the only one that doesn't care about what happened between her and Graystripe. The fact that she left everything behind to be with him but he becomes distant from her, and is still obviously in love with Silverstream, idk I just find it funny. And considering how horrible of a mother she was to the 3B's, part of me thinks she deserves it. I've never been the biggest fan of Millie, let alone her and Graystripe as a pairing, to me they were better off as friends. And only became a thing for plot fodder and introducing new blood into the clans. I'm not surprised if Graystripe favors his other kits, and Silverstream, imo they had a better thing going, and both their kits grew up into fine heroes. While the 3B's are....yeah...Idk side by side, people say Mille and Gray have more development, but the fact that she's a crud of a mother, and abusive, annoys me. I mean if I was in Gray's paws, and you're gonna belittle my faith, and be cruddy toward my kin, my kits, I wouldn't want you as a mate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 23:31:01 GMT -5
Graystripe and Millie should have just been best buds at this point if Graystripe never moved on, tbh, because it's messed up to take her as a mate when he still loves Silver.
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Post by pastelpills on Nov 3, 2016 1:01:18 GMT -5
I've never agreed more with a post.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 3, 2016 2:53:25 GMT -5
Graystripe and Millie should have just been best buds at this point if Graystripe never moved on, tbh, because it's messed up to take her as a mate when he still loves Silver. Pretty much. They should have been better off as friends, and Millie could have become some other cat's mate. I'm honestly annoyed by Graystripe's second family tbh. It's just...there....and then you just never see Gray there lol.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 3, 2016 3:01:28 GMT -5
I've never agreed more with a post. I mean like...he used to talk about Storm and Feather ALL the time, and boast about them, even when he was back in ThunderClan, he was so proud and happy whenever they were brought up. And was always eager to spend time with them, even ecstatic when he got to temporarily train Storm. But with the 3B's what is there??? Blossomfall joins the Dark Forest because she's jealous of her sister, Bumblestripe is having girlfriend problems, and is down right annoying, Briarlight is being smothered all the time, and is probably even dealing with depression because of her condition, like??? Where is Graystripe in all of this?? No where. Even when he was in the camp during the scene Millie verbally tore into Blossomfall he did NOTHING. And Millie...man...I'm sorry but how can you stand by and let a she-cat treat your kits like that?? Shellheart didn't stand for that stuff when Rainflower neglected Crookedkit. Yet Graystripe is like...just doing nothing. We barely ever see him interact with his kits, let alone see him at all. For StarClan's sake, Bumblestripe saw nothing wrong with how his sister was being persecuted by the rest of the clan, thinking she deserved to be punished???? Stormfur would never allow something like that to happen to Feathertail and vice verse, they looked out for one another and only really ever argued like once. Also Silverstream is down right selfless, she is the one that helped Millie and one of her kits live, she didn't want Graystripe to suffer again, it's funny cause the whole time Milie was dying he was thinking of Silverstream. And she guided other cats while in StarClan, she's not Graystripe-orientated, she's her own character, and she's matured so well. She's also shown to have a loving motherly side, I bet she'd adopt the 3B's in a heartbeat just because they're Gray's kin. She'd love them regardless of the mother. Idk okay, the whole thing burns me up. I just don't care for Millie and Gray's new family, I tried to, but I can't. Especially after the last line Gray and Silver said to each other in the Last Hope.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 10:25:43 GMT -5
Tbh I slightly agree. But this is one of the reasons I can't stand GrayxSilver. Graystripe is way too obsessed and is hardly there for his new family because he keeps clinging to his old one. It's alright to mourn someone else's lose, but don't take another person if you're going to dump them for the original one. Exactly. Millie's journey was a complete waste. Graystripe's just an unappreciative brat.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 3, 2016 11:47:58 GMT -5
Tbh I slightly agree. But this is one of the reasons I can't stand GrayxSilver. Graystripe is way too obsessed and is hardly there for his new family because he keeps clinging to his old one. It's alright to mourn someone else's lose, but don't take another person if you're going to dump them for the original one. I think the fault lies with the Erins, as I said before, those kits they had, Millie and Gray, they're just plot fodder, for a new bloodline in the clan, so they don't become to incestuous by Erin standards. Snow and Lily are related I think? So are Fern and Ivy, etc. So really its no wonder the Erins seem to be pairing both Blossom and Bumble off, Thorn with Blossom and Bumble with Rose or possible Cherry. Gray and Silver should have been the only relationship period, Gray and Millie should have just stayed platonic friendship, like Storm and Dapple. Another thing...I'm kinda tired of the outside blood mostly being kittypet blood...I don't dislike TC, but literally the only time we've seen other clans do something similar was with Russetfur and Boulder for SC, that's it. TC is known for a "kittypet" leader and even has a ton of kittypet blood circulating in it. For StarClan's sake, Firestar probably has blood in every clan at this point??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 13:33:05 GMT -5
How the heck does Millie deserve ANY of this!? She's the one who put her all into the relationship. She's the one who sacrificed her way of life for Graystripe. She's the one who had to be accepted by the Clan. She's the one who had all this stress on her because Graystripe is a terrible guy, a terrible mate, and absent father!!! How the hell does Millie deserve any of that!? SHE GAVE UP HER WAY OF LIFE FOR THIS GUY SHE LIKED AND SHE PUT HER HEART AND SOUL INTO HELPING HIM!! SHE HELPED HIM MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY AND NEVER LET HIM LOSE FAITH. SHE ALSO HELPED TAKE CARE OF HIM PHYSICALLY. And THIS is how graystripe repays her!? by being a sh*tty dad and mate!?!?!? and graystripe doesnt stop her from being mean to blossomfall. he doesnt praise his children. he left all of that on millie, which is why i personally think she is a "bad" parent. Her f***ing mate wsnt there to help or support her!!!!! IT IS NOT FAIR TO MILLIE. SHES THE ONE WHO SACRIFICED ALL FOR GRAYSTRIPE AND YET THE STUPID GRAY LUMP IS STILL HANGING ONTO SILVERSTREAMS STUPID PRETTY DEAD FACE. IT IS NOT FAIR TO MILLIE!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 13:35:41 GMT -5
@risingwingbriarjay86 Woah, slow the caps buddy. And put punctuation so I could not see it is all gibberish and one sentence.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 13:37:48 GMT -5
@cookiecollector94
>:^I I'm sorry im just really passionate about certain topics.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 13:40:47 GMT -5
@risingwingbriarjay86 No, nothing wrong with that, just don't make it sound like you are a slaty fangirl/boy. Not saying you are, but it kinda looks like it, so watch that.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 3, 2016 13:49:35 GMT -5
[ ✎ Yet Millie can disrespect StarClan and Clan traditions. Yeah, she left for him, but before the three B's he seemed to love her. It was only when kits became a thing that everything fell apart. While we needed new blood, I would have rather had the three B's not exist.]
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Post by pastelpills on Nov 3, 2016 15:34:12 GMT -5
well it's still better love story than Twilight
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Nov 3, 2016 17:50:14 GMT -5
Well I understand why a lot of people don't like Millie, it is possible to still love someone and understand you have to move on. Graystripe still loves Silverstream, yes, but he has to move on from her death. She's long gone, and that's why he chose Mille.
As for how Mille behaved, yes, it wasn't right for her to ignore her other two children, but at the same time, one has to understand things from her point of view. She just watched her daughter become paralyzed, and is probably terrified of losing her (for good reason). Not to mention Briarlight had so many feelings of hopelessness when she first got injured… Millie had a right to be worried… And she couldn't have known about the Dark Forest, or what Blossomfall would try to do…
I read on another forum commenting about Brairlight explaining that Millie's reaction was actually a very realistic one in the situation, and one that the family would easily find themselves in after someone gets a life altering injury. The difference is that while humans can get psychological and other types of help, the series doesn't have that… So Mille acts the way she does without any means of stopping it, and her children resent her without being able to work through their feelings (even if they do make up later)…
Interestingly, I read on one forum that Ferncloud was considering setting up a counseling den… Don't know if this was true or not, but something like that would've helped, and it fits Ferncloud very well…
I think if there was anything Mille needed, it was an expansion of her character. Perhaps she and Silverstream could have met and she could have accepted her as the new mate, and encourage her to be her own person (similar to what Spottedleaf did with Firestar and Sandstorm during the leader ceremony). Maybe Mille could have actually seen the Dark Forest and realize all the damage she was causing to her other two children (even if no one might've believed her). And maybe we could've had more things in her point of view (such as why she chose to keep her name, and how she really felt when her daughter got injured). Perhaps the counseling den could have been set up by someone, and she could have received help…
There's so many chances to expand, but nothing was, so we are left with an incomplete picture and a character that seems unlikable…
Honestly, I think that's the Erins’ biggest flaws as writers… If they're going to put in so many characters, expand on them and make them important others than one or two traits… And if one is going to kill off a character, make the audience care about him or her in some way (referring to the killing off of side characters that never get a chance to develop)…
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Post by Dawnrise on Nov 3, 2016 18:20:56 GMT -5
You're not the only one, their's like 4 threads about the 3 b's/Graystripe/Millie right now, and most of them are rants.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 3, 2016 19:40:37 GMT -5
How the heck does Millie deserve ANY of this!? She's the one who put her all into the relationship. She's the one who sacrificed her way of life for Graystripe. She's the one who had to be accepted by the Clan. She's the one who had all this stress on her because Graystripe is a terrible guy, a terrible mate, and absent father!!! How the hell does Millie deserve any of that!? SHE GAVE UP HER WAY OF LIFE FOR THIS GUY SHE LIKED AND SHE PUT HER HEART AND SOUL INTO HELPING HIM!! SHE HELPED HIM MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY AND NEVER LET HIM LOSE FAITH. SHE ALSO HELPED TAKE CARE OF HIM PHYSICALLY. And THIS is how graystripe repays her!? by being a sh*tty dad and mate!?!?!? and graystripe doesnt stop her from being mean to blossomfall. he doesnt praise his children. he left all of that on millie, which is why i personally think she is a "bad" parent. Her f***ing mate wsnt there to help or support her!!!!! IT IS NOT FAIR TO MILLIE. SHES THE ONE WHO SACRIFICED ALL FOR GRAYSTRIPE AND YET THE STUPID GRAY LUMP IS STILL HANGING ONTO SILVERSTREAMS STUPID PRETTY DEAD FACE. IT IS NOT FAIR TO MILLIE!!! I think she deserves it, but that's just my opinion. I'm not saying Graystripe is innocent, but I'm neutral toward him, and I hate Millie and her relationship with the 3B's along with Gray. Simple as that, so chill with the caps rage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 19:44:41 GMT -5
❅Maplefrost❅ that is what I said
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Post by Pandean on Nov 3, 2016 21:04:43 GMT -5
well it's still better love story than TwilightI think Crow and Leaf are lower on the cringe scale than Millie and Gray /shot
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 22:30:05 GMT -5
How the heck does Millie deserve ANY of this!? She's the one who put her all into the relationship. She's the one who sacrificed her way of life for Graystripe. She's the one who had to be accepted by the Clan. She's the one who had all this stress on her because Graystripe is a terrible guy, a terrible mate, and absent father!!! How the hell does Millie deserve any of that!? SHE GAVE UP HER WAY OF LIFE FOR THIS GUY SHE LIKED AND SHE PUT HER HEART AND SOUL INTO HELPING HIM!! SHE HELPED HIM MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY AND NEVER LET HIM LOSE FAITH. SHE ALSO HELPED TAKE CARE OF HIM PHYSICALLY. And THIS is how graystripe repays her!? by being a sh*tty dad and mate!?!?!? and graystripe doesnt stop her from being mean to blossomfall. he doesnt praise his children. he left all of that on millie, which is why i personally think she is a "bad" parent. Her f***ing mate wsnt there to help or support her!!!!! IT IS NOT FAIR TO MILLIE. SHES THE ONE WHO SACRIFICED ALL FOR GRAYSTRIPE AND YET THE STUPID GRAY LUMP IS STILL HANGING ONTO SILVERSTREAMS STUPID PRETTY DEAD FACE. IT IS NOT FAIR TO MILLIE!!! I think she deserves it, but that's just my opinion. I'm not saying Graystripe is innocent, but I'm neutral toward him, and I hate Millie and her relationship with the 3B's along with Gray. Simple as that, so chill with the caps rage. What the Hell!? How does she deserve it!? Please answer that because it just sounds so unjustified and mean.
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Post by pastelpills on Nov 4, 2016 0:45:56 GMT -5
I think she deserves it, but that's just my opinion. I'm not saying Graystripe is innocent, but I'm neutral toward him, and I hate Millie and her relationship with the 3B's along with Gray. Simple as that, so chill with the caps rage. What the Hell!? How does she deserve it!? Please answer that because it just sounds so unjustified and mean. Because at the end of the day she is an awful mother and unsympathetic mate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 1:02:37 GMT -5
What the Hell!? How does she deserve it!? Please answer that because it just sounds so unjustified and mean. Because at the end of the day she is an awful mother and unsympathetic mate. Graystripe is just as awful, and to his own children at that, not supporting his daughter when she needed him the most.
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Post by pastelpills on Nov 4, 2016 1:06:15 GMT -5
Because at the end of the day she is an awful mother and unsympathetic mate. Graystripe is just as awful, and to his own children at that, not supporting his daughter when she needed him the most. Never said he is okay.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 4, 2016 1:32:18 GMT -5
I think she deserves it, but that's just my opinion. I'm not saying Graystripe is innocent, but I'm neutral toward him, and I hate Millie and her relationship with the 3B's along with Gray. Simple as that, so chill with the caps rage. What the Hell!? How does she deserve it!? Please answer that because it just sounds so unjustified and mean. Graystripe was alright before they had kits. She was more accepted than Firestar was when he first joined. She also disrespected Clan traditions and still held a part of her kittypet life by her comments about Briarlight and StarClan. As I said before, they would have been fine if they had not had kits. She's every bit as guilty as Graystripe, however, I actually pity Graystripe over Millie.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 4, 2016 2:16:11 GMT -5
Pretty much what Rain and Leaves said, I just don't feel any sympathy for cat like Millie. Also Pandean I hate both these pairings, but even I agree with you there. Crow/Leaf maybe be terrible but at least them becoming a thing and having kits actually meant something in the long run, and their kits are more likable than the 3B's.
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Post by Pandean on Nov 4, 2016 13:21:10 GMT -5
Pretty much what Rain and Leaves said, I just don't feel any sympathy for cat like Millie. Also Pandean I hate both these pairings, but even I agree with you there. Crow/Leaf maybe be terrible but at least them becoming a thing and having kits actually meant something in the long run, and their kits are more likable than the 3B's. Def. TBH I don't think anyone deserves awfulness....but Graystripe and Millie are just equally cruddy parents who do a lot of cruddy things and should go back to being kittypets
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 4, 2016 14:13:07 GMT -5
Pretty much what Rain and Leaves said, I just don't feel any sympathy for cat like Millie. Also Pandean I hate both these pairings, but even I agree with you there. Crow/Leaf maybe be terrible but at least them becoming a thing and having kits actually meant something in the long run, and their kits are more likable than the 3B's. Def. TBH I don't think anyone deserves awfulness....but Graystripe and Millie are just equally cruddy parents who do a lot of cruddy things and should go back to being kittypets I just want Gray to die, and Millie to leave, then no more drama.
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Post by Pandean on Nov 4, 2016 17:52:35 GMT -5
Def. TBH I don't think anyone deserves awfulness....but Graystripe and Millie are just equally cruddy parents who do a lot of cruddy things and should go back to being kittypets I just want Gray to die, and Millie to leave, then no more drama. That would work. She can take Briar and go.
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