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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 16:23:35 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm not a huge fan of Briarlight like how most people like her. I think she has a bland personality, her life is very predictable, and she's just useless at this point for the story. I am going to be blunt. Briarlight causes a lot of stress for many cats. I'm not talking about the accident with the tree - that wasn't her fault, and Briarlight can't help it. It's not her fault she can't walk. But she has worried many cats at times, like, for example, there was a time when Briarlight refused to eat: Briarlight also wanted her brother to take her outside so she can help Jayfeather while he's out, because she felt useless. She was nearly attacked by a dog, and because of her paralyzed legs, Briarlight wouldn't have been able to defend herself. If it wasn't for Lionblaze and Cinderheart, she would have died. While Briarlight can't contribute much to the Clan because of her legs, she's useful in other ways. She's just upset because she can't be a warrior. - She entertains the kits
- She cleans Jayfeather's den
- She cleans out bedding, checking for thorns
- She helps cats with herbs when Jayfeather isn't around
Briarlight acts like she can't do anything because of her legs. Now, I understand why she might feel trapped inside the camp, but it's safer for her to be inside so predators won't attack her. I mean, badgers and foxes have attacked cats inside their own territory. While this rarely happens, predators can still attack cats, and this is why Briarlight must be kept inside the camp.
Jayfeather even admitted that she's useful, and not just to make her feel better. He truly believes that she's helping him a lot.
And I really wish Briarlight also could have spoken up and told Millie to back off when her mother kept smothering her. Now, both cats are at fault. Millie needs to understand that her daughter doesn't want her with her all the time, but Briarlight should have spoken up and told her to back off.
But really, Briarlight just needs to die. I know this sounds horrible, but she serves nothing to the story, and she's just extra stress for the cats to worry about. She cheated death seven times for crying out loud!
I don't find this character interesting, nor do I like her very much. She is happy-go-lucky most of the time, yes, but let's not also forget that she drags other cats like her brother into trouble, and when she brings herself down it also worries others. Briarlight's life really isn't that hard compared to many other cats. And I really wish the Erins never used her to symbolized "hope".
I just don't like Briarlight and I don't see the appeal in her. She isn't that interesting, and she needs to go at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 17:06:06 GMT -5
As much as I love morbid characters like Briarlight, i still agree she has to die and be in peace already. she just needs a purpose before she dies so she can have a hero's death and finally be done, ya know?
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Nov 2, 2016 17:56:55 GMT -5
I'm not particularly fond of her, not because of her character, but because of the way she's basically defined by her disability and the controversy it creates. She's supposed to be "inspiring", but how is it inspiring to have someone who is basically an active elder be only able to drag herself around camp? It's not (this, coming from someone who is actually disabled as well). A more inspiring case might be Jayfeather, Crookedstar, or Cinderpelt, who put their disabilities aside to find other talents, and it doesn't truly define who they are…
I also think Briarlight should not have lived this long… She has a broken spinal cord… That's pretty severe…
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Post by Dawnrise on Nov 2, 2016 19:44:07 GMT -5
Although Briarlight is written poorly, most of her actions are stuff you really can't blame her for. Of course she's not going to be content with sitting around doing nothing all day while her siblings live normal lives. She can't tell Millie not to smother her, because she's afraid she'll get depressed or angry. Although she just sort of exists for drama, she could be useful if she had more character development in the next couple of books.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 2, 2016 19:48:58 GMT -5
Personally I don't care much for any of the 3B's or Gray's new family in general? I think the only one I actually have a bit of pity toward is Blossomfall. But I believe that it's way past time for Briarlight to die, the fact that she's still alive after so much has happened is beyond reasoning. I know she's not intentionally trying to cause trouble, but in the long run that's all she kinda is at this point. I'm not saying it's her fault, because it's not, but it just feels pretty unrealistic that she's still alive so far in the series like this. And I don't dislike her as a character because she's disabled, I dislike her because her personality is bland, I kinda wish we could have seen more of her, instead of her being used as plot fodder.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 20:37:16 GMT -5
Although Briarlight is written poorly, most of her actions are stuff you really can't blame her for. Of course she's not going to be content with sitting around doing nothing all day while her siblings live normal lives. She can't tell Millie not to smother her, because she's afraid she'll get depressed or angry. Although she just sort of exists for drama, she could be useful if she had more character development in the next couple of books. Well, no, but other cats have had it worse than her. According to Littlecloud, Wildfur DIED. Briarlight should be lucky she's even alive. She can't just go outside and cause trouble for everyone. And I highly doubt the Erins will use her at this point. I mean, we only saw her once helping Alderheart when he was an apprentice. Briarlight needs to stop causing trouble. I just don't like her and she is poorly written. She has cats who encourage her, and help and care for her. She should be grateful for that instead of being sad about not being a warrior, because some cats like Crookedstar or Bluestar lost their whole family.
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Post by Sand on Nov 2, 2016 20:40:52 GMT -5
I feel like Briarlight should have died soon after her accident. Her surviving through all of the things she has is highly unrealistic for a cat that lives in the wild. I don't care for her personality either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 21:44:14 GMT -5
Although Briarlight is written poorly, most of her actions are stuff you really can't blame her for. Of course she's not going to be content with sitting around doing nothing all day while her siblings live normal lives. She can't tell Millie not to smother her, because she's afraid she'll get depressed or angry. Although she just sort of exists for drama, she could be useful if she had more character development in the next couple of books. Well, no, but other cats have had it worse than her. According to Littlecloud, Wildfur DIED. Briarlight should be lucky she's even alive. She can't just go outside and cause trouble for everyone. And I highly doubt the Erins will use her at this point. I mean, we only saw her once helping Alderheart when he was an apprentice. Briarlight needs to stop causing trouble. I just don't like her and she is poorly written. She has cats who encourage her, and help and care for her. She should be grateful for that instead of being sad about not being a warrior, because some cats like Crookedstar or Bluestar lost their whole family. eh, who cares if other cats had it worse. Are your problems suddenly invalid just cause there are starving kids in africa? no. she's paralyzed. i doubt she appreciates how "lucky" she is. like man god forbid a wild animal wants to go outside and do things rather than stay inside and sort herbs her entire life. according to ur post she was almost attacked by a dog ( i dont remember this so im just going off what u said) like... how is that her fault? she went outside and a dog showed up. this isn't her 'causing trouble' that was a dog randomly showing up on the territory for some reason. sry im just really kinda disgusted that you're saying that the disabled kid is "just extra stress for the cats to worry about" so she needs to die. do u not see how gross that sounds. yea yea shes badly written whatever most of the cats in this series is badly written. honestly the only reasons you gave for her 'causing trouble' and 'stressing cats out' was -refusing to eat food -going outside -not telling her mother to stop smothering her (apparently thats her fault ??) honestly i could care less how much stress she causes for other cats. wtf dude
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 2, 2016 21:58:59 GMT -5
I feel like Briarlight should have died soon after her accident. Her surviving through all of the things she has is highly unrealistic for a cat that lives in the wild. I don't care for her personality either. To recap, she survived the final battle with the Dark Forest, the wave of sickness that followed, and the flood, how did she even survive that last one it's ridiculous? Honestly a part of me thought that Purdy and her wouldn't make it, especially Briarlight, so it annoys me to know that she survives, yet a clan leader like Blackstar doesn't?? On top of that she'd be easy prey for foxes, dogs, badgers, etc. It's just mind boggling that she's still around, and the most likely reason is author favoritism.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 22:11:09 GMT -5
Well, no, but other cats have had it worse than her. According to Littlecloud, Wildfur DIED. Briarlight should be lucky she's even alive. She can't just go outside and cause trouble for everyone. And I highly doubt the Erins will use her at this point. I mean, we only saw her once helping Alderheart when he was an apprentice. Briarlight needs to stop causing trouble. I just don't like her and she is poorly written. She has cats who encourage her, and help and care for her. She should be grateful for that instead of being sad about not being a warrior, because some cats like Crookedstar or Bluestar lost their whole family. eh, who cares if other cats had it worse. Are your problems suddenly invalid just cause there are starving kids in africa? no. she's paralyzed. i doubt she appreciates how "lucky" she is. like man god forbid a wild animal wants to go outside and do things rather than stay inside and sort herbs her entire life. according to ur post she was almost attacked by a dog ( i dont remember this so im just going off what u said) like... how is that her fault? she went outside and a dog showed up. this isn't her 'causing trouble' that was a dog randomly showing up on the territory for some reason. sry im just really kinda disgusted that you're saying that the disabled kid is "just extra stress for the cats to worry about" so she needs to die. do u not see how gross that sounds. yea yea shes badly written whatever most of the cats in this series is badly written. honestly the only reasons you gave for her 'causing trouble' and 'stressing cats out' was -refusing to eat food -going outside -not telling her mother to stop smothering her (apparently thats her fault ??) honestly i could care less how much stress she causes for other cats. wtf dude Are you really comparing Warriors to a real life disabled child? Man, I'm just stating my own opinion on Briarlight. I completely forgot the flame wars we had about her back in 2012..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 22:13:03 GMT -5
I wasn't exactly saying anything about disable children, but whatever. I forgot we had flame wars about Briarlight because of that. Sorry, I was only stating my opinion. But whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 22:17:26 GMT -5
lmao what. because i said disabled 'kid' instead of 'cat' ? thats ur defense?
i guess you'd have a point if i used a specific person as an example but i didnt. ur opinion on her is valid , whatever, but i still think its p gross how ur opinion is that shes a burden on the other cats so shes Bad as if the other cats are more important in this instance. but okay
edit - i never had flame wars about briarlight w you ? u must be thinking abt someone else ?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 2, 2016 22:21:31 GMT -5
Honestly, Briarlight isn't the one at fault here, she can't help it that she's needs to be cared for, or feels the way she does, it's as simple as that. She isn't to blame. Also if people dislike her for being a disabled character, that kinda annoys the crud out of me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 22:23:25 GMT -5
lmao what. because i said disabled 'kid' instead of 'cat' ? thats ur defense? i guess you'd have a point if i used a specific person as an example but i didnt. ur opinion on her is valid , whatever, but i still think its p gross how ur opinion is that shes a burden on the other cats so shes Bad as if the other cats are more important in this instance. but okay edit - i never had flame wars about briarlight w you ? u must be thinking abt someone else ? No, you never had flame wars with me. But back in 2012, in t he original forums people said they wanted Briarlight to die and everyone got offended and said "Do you want disabled children to die" or something like that. It caused many people to get banned and these topics were eventually deleted. I don't know if you were there. Ask Liger or Moth. When you said this, "sry im just really kinda disgusted that you're saying that the disabled kid is "just extra stress for the cats to worry about" so she needs to die. do u not see how gross that sounds. yea yea shes badly written whatever most of the cats in this series is badly written." It made me feel like you were telling me I have something against disabled children. And I do not. I was only saying my opinion about Briarlight. I felt like you were telling me that I had a problem with disabled children and that I wanted them to die because they were useless. That's why I took your comment personally, because that wasn't true. But if this is a misunderstanding, then I apologize.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 2, 2016 22:26:55 GMT -5
lmao what. because i said disabled 'kid' instead of 'cat' ? thats ur defense? i guess you'd have a point if i used a specific person as an example but i didnt. ur opinion on her is valid , whatever, but i still think its p gross how ur opinion is that shes a burden on the other cats so shes Bad as if the other cats are more important in this instance. but okay edit - i never had flame wars about briarlight w you ? u must be thinking abt someone else ? No, you never had flame wars with me. But back in 2012, in t he original forums people said they wanted Briarlight to die and everyone got offended and said "Do you want disabled children to die" or something like that. It caused many people to get banned and these topics were eventually deleted. I don't know if you were there. Ask Liger or Moth. When you said this, "sry im just really kinda disgusted that you're saying that the disabled kid is "just extra stress for the cats to worry about" so she needs to die. do u not see how gross that sounds. yea yea shes badly written whatever most of the cats in this series is badly written." It made me feel like you were telling me I have something against disabled children. And I do not. I was only saying my opinion about Briarlight. I felt like you were telling me that I had a problem with disabled children and that I wanted them to die because they were useless. That's why I took your comment personally, because that wasn't true. But if this is a misunderstanding, then I apologize. I remember that whole mess, I thought it was kinda ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 22:30:00 GMT -5
oh okay. nah i'm not telling you anything. just from what you said in your first post, it sounded as if you were saying briar needed to die because she caused stress on the other cats and that sounds really messed up tbh.
like i understand the frustration with her 'cheating death 7 times' and being poorly written idc about that, i take issue with the implication that you think she only serves as a burden for the other cats bc of her disability when its not really true. i havent seen the cats stress over her since that scene in bramblestars book where she couldnt get out of camp.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 22:30:53 GMT -5
No, you never had flame wars with me. But back in 2012, in t he original forums people said they wanted Briarlight to die and everyone got offended and said "Do you want disabled children to die" or something like that. It caused many people to get banned and these topics were eventually deleted. I don't know if you were there. Ask Liger or Moth. When you said this, "sry im just really kinda disgusted that you're saying that the disabled kid is "just extra stress for the cats to worry about" so she needs to die. do u not see how gross that sounds. yea yea shes badly written whatever most of the cats in this series is badly written." It made me feel like you were telling me I have something against disabled children. And I do not. I was only saying my opinion about Briarlight. I felt like you were telling me that I had a problem with disabled children and that I wanted them to die because they were useless. That's why I took your comment personally, because that wasn't true. But if this is a misunderstanding, then I apologize. I remember that whole mess, I thought it was kinda ridiculous. Yea, weren't there like more than 5 topics about it? Then someone wanted a topic with no flame wars and just saying their opinion about Briarlight. But I don't blame them for trying to stop it, the whole war was just ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 22:31:04 GMT -5
btw im not like, mad or anything. i hope my posts dont sound passive aggressive, im not trying to make any accusations rn
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 22:33:56 GMT -5
oh okay. nah i'm not telling you anything. just from what you said in your first post, it sounded as if you were saying briar needed to die because she caused stress on the other cats and that sounds really messed up tbh. like i understand the frustration with her 'cheating death 7 times' and being poorly written idc about that, i take issue with the implication that you think she only serves as a burden for the other cats bc of her disability when its not really true. i havent seen the cats stress over her since that scene in bramblestars book where she couldnt get out of camp. No, I'm not blaming her for her.. burden of being paralyzed. I'm just frustrated with the fact that the Erins keep her freaking alive even though she's gone through so many situations that should have killed her off. It's ridiculous, really, and unrealistic, even for Warriors. So we're okay, then? It was a misunderstanding? I was going to ask someone to close this up, but it may not be necessary now.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Nov 2, 2016 22:38:53 GMT -5
I agree that it is time for her to die. Her survival is defying the laws of the Warriors universe. We have long since crossed the threshold of unrealistic. It's just ridiculous at this point.
On a side note, I really think the mods should ban Briarlight topics altogether. I have yet to see one that didn't erupt into a flame war.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 22:39:37 GMT -5
oookay, gotcha. kinda. yea we're good. sorry for jumping to conclusions, im still kinda iffy on your choice of words but no hard feelings or anything.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 2, 2016 22:41:14 GMT -5
Imo, the flood should have been it for her, and Purdy, I find it crazy how I was actually in tears over Purdy when he couldn't get up the cliff side, and he kept saying, I'm done for, but looked like he was trying to laugh it off. I felt really bad for him, but he'd pretty darn old at this point. While on the other hand, I wouldn't have felt anything if Briarlight had died, because she's already cheated death so much, I'm just like, okay...? I've kinda lost sympathy for her, and the Erins are dragging out her situation, too much, for no real reason plot wise.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 22:43:46 GMT -5
oookay, gotcha. kinda. yea we're good. sorry for jumping to conclusions, im still kinda iffy on your choice of words but no hard feelings or anything. yea but if we ever have these arguments again I know I can trust that we'll both close it up in a mature way, but thanks ^^
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 22:47:02 GMT -5
Imo, the flood should have been it for her, and Purdy, I find it crazy how I was actually in tears over Purdy when he couldn't get up the cliff side, and he kept saying, I'm done for, but looked like he was trying to laugh it off. I felt really bad for him, but he'd pretty darn old at this point. While on the other hand, I wouldn't have felt anything if Briarlight had died, because she's already cheated death so much, I'm just like, okay...? I've kinda lost sympathy for her, and the Erins are dragging out her situation, too much, for no real reason plot wise. That scene with Purdy actually surprised me. I love that guy. It gave him interesting development. I read a scene with him and Hollyleaf together today and I thought it was really cute tbh. Hollyleaf was like, "I'll catch up with your story later!" And I was like damn girl why did you have to die I mean I don't ship them or anything, but they were cute as friends, same with Holly and Cinder
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Nov 3, 2016 12:41:03 GMT -5
Briarlight being a symbol of hope for the disabled is stupid. Cinderpelt and Jayfeather are way more inspiring for the disabled than Briarlight, mainly because they made something of themselves.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 3, 2016 12:58:21 GMT -5
[ ✎ Briarlight as a symbol of hope is pathetic and she's a bad representation of the disabled. It's also quite stereotypical that they chose the paralyzed character as their symbol over saying "she's part of a group of characters we hope some of our readers relate to and see that there is some kind of hope for them." I would have find it much more acceptable instead of the Erins slamming her as the symbol when she isn't. It's alright to be depressed, but if they want her to be a symbol, then maybe they should try to tone up about how she tries to find opportunities to change her life for the better. For me, that would have made me hate her less.]
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