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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 19:41:28 GMT -5
So I've recently heard that Blackstar has been more and more forgiven- and even more praised for what he did in the Darkest Hour. And in a way, I would see why. The warrior code demanded that warriors obey their leader's orders, and Tigerstar ordered him to kill Stonefur, and so he was technically being loyal by doing so. So I can understand that point of view.
But at the same time... what does that make Stonefur then? Stonefur was, by that point, under the command of both Tigerstar and Leopardstar. The warrior code also demanded that Stonefur obey his leader(s)- and Tigerstar commanded Stonefur to kill Stormfur and Feathertail. Stonefur not only disobeyed Tigerstar but Leopardstar as well. He was technically disloyal.
Does that make Stonefur the coward then? Not Blackstar? Cause this just isn't making sense. If Blackstar can be considered making the right decision when he killed Stonefur.... could Stonefur be considered making the right decision by killing Stormfur and Feathertail?
It's kinda messed up if you think about it. What would have happened if Stonefur killed Stormfur and Feathertail that day, later became leader- a decent one even... would people forgive- or even praise him- now?
What do you think then? Which was the right choice and which was the wrong one? Are they both wrong? Both right?
Is "kill or be killed" really respected that much these days?
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Post by pastelpills on Oct 30, 2016 7:14:43 GMT -5
Honestly the fact that some people think Stonefur is a coward for not killing Feather and Storm and that Blackstar is the good guy for killing him honestly makes me wanna kms.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 7:28:28 GMT -5
Murdering someone in cold blood isn't brave.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 8:57:23 GMT -5
In a way, Blackstar is brave. He redeemed himself, rather than following a darker path. But that doesn't excuse his actions in murdering Stonefur. The warrior code says leaders word is law. But it also says killing a beaten foe is not honorable at all.
Therefore, while Blackstar is indeed brave for admitting he was wrong and lead ShadowClan in a newer light... Stonefur was more so due to the fact he knew right from wrong.
That's the way I see it.
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Oct 30, 2016 11:08:12 GMT -5
Stonefur was the brave one in this situation. He essentially stood up to kitty Hitler with no backup, aside from two barely trained apprentices.
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Post by tiger beetle on Oct 30, 2016 12:25:21 GMT -5
if Blackstar had been a double agent who "had" to do terrible things to fulfill his plan of stopping Tigerstar then I guess it could have been seen as brave…
but he wasn't…he was actively working alongside a second evil cat and killed a non-threat in cold blood
so I do not see that as an act of bravery at all
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Post by Sootfeather on Oct 30, 2016 12:29:34 GMT -5
if Blackstar had been a double agent who "had" to do terrible things to fulfill his plan of stopping Tigerstar then I guess it could have been seen as brave… but he wasn't…he was actively working alongside a second evil cat and killed a non-threat in cold blood so I do not see that as an act of bravery at all I want someone to write an AU where Blackstar is a double agent. |
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Post by Sootfeather on Oct 30, 2016 12:30:40 GMT -5
I think in this particular scenario it was Stonefur who was brave. But I do think the fact that Blackstar was able to pull ShadowClan out of almost complete ruin takes a lot of courage and strength too. However, I don't think he was brave in this particular situation. This right here |
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Post by tiger beetle on Oct 30, 2016 12:34:10 GMT -5
I think in this particular scenario it was Stonefur who was brave. But I do think the fact that Blackstar was able to pull ShadowClan out of almost complete ruin takes a lot of courage and strength too. However, I don't think he was brave in this particular situation. agreed--I do think he showed bravery later on, but not in this scene |
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Post by Πιghtωιηg on Oct 30, 2016 14:36:57 GMT -5
Honestly the fact that some people think Stonefur is a coward for not killing Feather and Storm and that Blackstar is the good guy for killing him honestly makes me wanna kms. YOU could be Stonefur! Two birds, one stone! |
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Post by pastelpills on Oct 30, 2016 14:37:26 GMT -5
Honestly the fact that some people think Stonefur is a coward for not killing Feather and Storm and that Blackstar is the good guy for killing him honestly makes me wanna kms. YOU could be Stonefur! Two birds, one stone! ? |
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Post by Πιghtωιηg on Oct 30, 2016 14:40:07 GMT -5
Stonefur died. You said those opinions make you want to "kms". Therefore if you were Stonefur, you would have made your point and also be dead.
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Post by pastelpills on Oct 30, 2016 14:40:58 GMT -5
Stonefur died. You said those opinions make you want to "kms". Therefore if you were Stonefur, you would have made your point and also be dead. Oh, I see |
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