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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 10:35:17 GMT -5
so yeah, now that everyone's favorite inserted oc got glenn, what do you guys think of him now? like, yeah, it was shocking and kinda out of character for him, and i was pretty mad, but i dont want him to die, ya feel?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 10:41:46 GMT -5
Here's my opinion. Daryl is my favorite character but I know what he did was awful. But I don't think he ever thought that an outburst would hurt someone else. He just saw one of his friends get annihilated by Negan and he was so angry that he couldn't do anything to stop it. The thing about Daryl is that when you mess with the people he cares about, it messes with him more than if he got hurt. So I think when he lashed out, it was an emotional response to Abraham getting the bat and he didn't think that Glenn would be dragged in. Of anything, he probably thought that he was going to be the one who got the punishment. Negan just decided to be unpredictable and smash the nearest person to him, which happened to be Glenn. So while it was largely his fault, I really don't feel he deserves the hate he's getting right now. You gotta like put yourself in the situation and try and think how Daryl feels as well. Now he KNOWS that Glenn's death was on him and he'll have to carry that guilt forever. So yeah, he's in the wrong, but you can point fingers all day and say "well it's technically_____'s" fault, but in the end, it's mostly Negan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 10:59:19 GMT -5
@spottedstar3137 Agreed with my buddy up top about Daryl. I mean even if Daryl didn't do it either way Glenn will die because TWD is pretty loyal to the comics if you think about it. Daryl doesn't deserve hate as much he is receiving right now. Just think about it, what if Daryl died? The fandom would become berserk and cause a riot. I am just glad AF that he is alive, but that doesn't matter for his bad decision resulting in Glenn's death. And yes what Washua said, Negan was the one holding Lucille, not Daryl. He was the one that killed them, not Daryl.
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Post by 🍁Searipple101🍁 on Oct 24, 2016 11:22:17 GMT -5
It has already been said.
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Post by alfred on Oct 24, 2016 15:27:21 GMT -5
I am NOT okay.
That season premiere was the most brutal, most intense thing I've ever seen on a television show. And about Daryl, it was a gut reaction. While he did cause Glenn's death, it wasn't his intentions to get anyone hurt. He acted without thinking of the consequences and someone paid for it. It's kind of the same situation as him running off in the first place to find Dwight after Denise died. He's being reckless and we're seeing what actions like those cause. He wouldn't wish death on anyone who didn't deserve it. He saw Glenn as family, a brother. Of course he wouldn't want him or anyone else there dead. In that moment, everyone's emotions were wild. It's reasonable to think someone might have acted on them. So. . I can't be mad. They all handled that situation the best they could. What really surprised me, though, was that I don't think I saw Carl cry once. I have no doubt he was feeling a plethora of emotions but he remained so stoic. He even sounded like a stubborn child when Negan faced him. He wasn't crying or fearful, just angry. That was a biggy for me at least. It just goes to show what this new generation is going through. How they might be changing to accommodate things like this. It's sad and strange and so horrible. [SPOILERS FROM THE COMIC ] Also, did anyone get the foreshadowing with Rick and his hand? That one shot in the RV where you see his hand and Negan cleaning the axe with alcohol and a rag. Anyone? Like, damn. We got a scare with Carl and, maybe, that was WD's solution to actually not really having anyone get there arm chopped off but the foreshadowing was so blatantly obvious.
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Post by alfred on Oct 24, 2016 15:34:23 GMT -5
@spottedstar3137 Agreed with my buddy up top about Daryl. I mean even if Daryl didn't do it either way Glenn will die because TWD is pretty loyal to the comics if you think about it. Daryl doesn't deserve hate as much he is receiving right now. Just think about it, what if Daryl died? The fandom would become berserk and cause a riot. I am just glad AF that he is alive, but that doesn't matter for his bad decision resulting in Glenn's death. And yes what Washua said, Negan was the one holding Lucille, not Daryl. He was the one that killed them, not Daryl. There's also a heck ton that changes. You're right, they try their best to stay true but some things are switched up or changed. (e.i. Lori and the baby, Carol and Sophia, Daryl, Andrea's fate, Tyreese, and just about every other character has had some major changes) I can go in depth but spoilers.
And I totally agree but have to admit that Daryl did provoke another punishment. Negan warned them and delivered consequence as he saw fit. I blame Daryl but I'm not going to sit here and dog on him for making that kind of decision. I've NEVER have to endure what they have. The emotions they must have been feeling were shooting through the roof. Like I said in my previous post, an action on those emotions was to be expected and we saw that with Daryl.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 15:38:51 GMT -5
alfredYes, I agree. Yes, I would become very pissed if Negan killed someone that I have known for a long time. Though, that was a true what you said about how he did provoke another punishment. I know that is cool etc, but that doesn't excuse him for his action resulting in Glenn's death like I said. Emotions can get the best for some people and it got Daryl. Like it says in the wiki, he is an emotionally strong man.
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Post by alfred on Oct 24, 2016 15:43:57 GMT -5
alfredYes, I agree. Yes, I would become very pissed if Negan killed someone that I have known for a long time. Though, that was a true what you said about how he did provoke another punishment. I know that is cool etc, but that doesn't excuse him for his action resulting in Glenn's death like I said. Emotions can get the best for some people and it got Daryl. Like it says in the wiki, he is an emotionally strong man. Exactly. He's always been very emotional. As the series has progressed, it's become more internalized, careful, and gentle but outbursts like this aren't out of the ordinary for Daryl.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 15:47:08 GMT -5
alfredAgreed, and I believe he cries every time something bad happens such as a death and I believe he cried for putting down his brother since he was about to reanimate.
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Post by alfred on Oct 24, 2016 15:52:04 GMT -5
SPOILER FOR SEASON 3 @cookiecollector94 Merle did reanimate. That's why Daryl basically pulverized his brother's face into the ground. He hated seeing him like that.
I mean, I'm also sure there was more to it - Merle's abandonment and overall person - but seeing him like that had to be rough. Especially when he just got him back. I believe he expected his brother to live through this thing and die of old age. His thought of that ever happening to ANYONE changed, I think, when he saw Merle's reanimated corpse.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 16:09:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 18:12:48 GMT -5
I love in depth twd convos like this
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 19:29:18 GMT -5
hi perspective from an outsider i only watched a few episodes here and there of the show bc i just saw it with my mom sometimes and the only character i cared about was glenn so im really mad at daryl but idk anything about daryls character in the first place so im not attached to him or anything *shrug* that's understandable. Daryl was a bit out of character in this episode but they used him as a plot device, which im not the biggest fan of but he served a purpose.
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Post by alfred on Oct 24, 2016 19:34:48 GMT -5
I am NOT okay.
That season premiere was the most brutal, most intense thing I've ever seen on a television show. And about Daryl, it was a gut reaction. While he did cause Glenn's death, it wasn't his intentions to get anyone hurt. He acted without thinking of the consequences and someone paid for it. It's kind of the same situation as him running off in the first place to find Dwight after Denise died. He's being reckless and we're seeing what actions like those cause. He wouldn't wish death on anyone who didn't deserve it. He saw Glenn as family, a brother. Of course he wouldn't want him or anyone else there dead. In that moment, everyone's emotions were wild. It's reasonable to think someone might have acted on them. So. . I can't be mad. They all handled that situation the best they could. What really surprised me, though, was that I don't think I saw Carl cry once. I have no doubt he was feeling a plethora of emotions but he remained so stoic. He even sounded like a stubborn child when Negan faced him. He wasn't crying or fearful, just angry. That was a biggy for me at least. It just goes to show what this new generation is going through. How they might be changing to accommodate things like this. It's sad and strange and so horrible. [SPOILERS FROM THE COMIC ] Also, did anyone get the foreshadowing with Rick and his hand? That one shot in the RV where you see his hand and Negan cleaning the axe with alcohol and a rag. Anyone? Like, damn. We got a scare with Carl and, maybe, that was WD's solution to actually not really having anyone get there arm chopped off but the foreshadowing was so blatantly obvious. SPOILERS FROM PAST SEASONS
So - not going to lie - I kind of had trouble seeing this whole scene fit in with the order of things. The scene happened - this is cannon - so I can't make the excuse that this was OOC for Daryl because he knew the consequences or whatever. It happened and we can't change that.
I talked it over some and, really, it's not at all OOC for him. He's always acted with his gut when someone he holds close comes into the crossfire. There's this scene - of course - and him leaving Alexandria to search for Dwight but we've also got examples from past seasons. He left the group after having just got Merle back - people he knew and cared for deeply for a man that never treated him right. Without batting an eye, he pulled his gun after Beth died and shot Officer Dawn Lerner pointblank. He tackled Nicholas when Glenn got into that fight, near strangling him because he threatened his group. He's always acted with his gut. No second guesses, he just does. Normally someone's there to pull him back if there's time - Rick with Nicholas or Carol at the hospital - but this was not one of those situations. It all happened too quick.
I'm not trying to defend Daryl and his actions. I'm just trying to understand them and this is just what sense I've been able to make of it.
EDIT: @spottedstar3137 Hey! I just saw your post and I guess this kind of relates.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 19:51:31 GMT -5
lmao i haven't actually been caught up with twd since the governor was still alive, not sure how much daryl's character has changed since then. (its been like what... two years??)
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Post by alfred on Oct 24, 2016 19:55:29 GMT -5
lmao i haven't actually been caught up with twd since the governor was still alive, not sure how much daryl's character has changed since then. (its been like what... two years??)
Ah. Sorry if I spoiled some things. I've been trying to hide them. Longer, I think. The shows been running for seven so, like, four or five? That's when the Governor was around at least.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 20:04:44 GMT -5
lmao i haven't actually been caught up with twd since the governor was still alive, not sure how much daryl's character has changed since then. (its been like what... two years??)
Ah. Sorry if I spoiled some things. I've been trying to hide them. Longer, I think. The shows been running for seven so, like, four or five? That's when the Governor was around at least. oh no, it's fine! i only really care about the video game spoilers, so show and comic spoilers are okay.
four or five years jeez! i remember i stopped watching it because there a seven month hiatus, both in and out of the show. when it came back, there were these completely new characters with a shower scene and like... someone died in the shower??? idk, it was really weird.
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Post by alfred on Oct 24, 2016 20:13:42 GMT -5
The games are so good! Telltale's making a Batman one and I'm freaking out. cx
Yeah. It's strange, right! Like, it doesn't feel that long. And I could see how that'd be confusing. I practically binge watched TWD after having a couple more seasons out so I didn't have to wait for something new each week. Live streaming's got us all spoiled. haha. I hate waiting for new episodes. It's like, you want to immerse yourself in the universe but can't because you've got nothing new till next week. Plus, the commercial breaks between just take you out of it. This seasons actually the first that I'm seeing it up-to-date.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 20:20:52 GMT -5
I am NOT okay.
That season premiere was the most brutal, most intense thing I've ever seen on a television show. And about Daryl, it was a gut reaction. While he did cause Glenn's death, it wasn't his intentions to get anyone hurt. He acted without thinking of the consequences and someone paid for it. It's kind of the same situation as him running off in the first place to find Dwight after Denise died. He's being reckless and we're seeing what actions like those cause. He wouldn't wish death on anyone who didn't deserve it. He saw Glenn as family, a brother. Of course he wouldn't want him or anyone else there dead. In that moment, everyone's emotions were wild. It's reasonable to think someone might have acted on them. So. . I can't be mad. They all handled that situation the best they could. What really surprised me, though, was that I don't think I saw Carl cry once. I have no doubt he was feeling a plethora of emotions but he remained so stoic. He even sounded like a stubborn child when Negan faced him. He wasn't crying or fearful, just angry. That was a biggy for me at least. It just goes to show what this new generation is going through. How they might be changing to accommodate things like this. It's sad and strange and so horrible. [SPOILERS FROM THE COMIC ] Also, did anyone get the foreshadowing with Rick and his hand? That one shot in the RV where you see his hand and Negan cleaning the axe with alcohol and a rag. Anyone? Like, damn. We got a scare with Carl and, maybe, that was WD's solution to actually not really having anyone get there arm chopped off but the foreshadowing was so blatantly obvious. SPOILERS FROM PAST SEASONS
So - not going to lie - I kind of had trouble seeing this whole scene fit in with the order of things. The scene happened - this is cannon - so I can't make the excuse that this was OOC for Daryl because he knew the consequences or whatever. It happened and we can't change that.
I talked it over some and, really, it's not at all OOC for him. He's always acted with his gut when someone he holds close comes into the crossfire. There's this scene - of course - and him leaving Alexandria to search for Dwight but we've also got examples from past seasons. He left the group after having just got Merle back - people he knew and cared for deeply for a man that never treated him right. Without batting an eye, he pulled his gun after Beth died and shot Officer Dawn Lerner pointblank. He tackled Nicholas when Glenn got into that fight, near strangling him because he threatened his group. He's always acted with his gut. No second guesses, he just does. Normally someone's there to pull him back if there's time - Rick with Nicholas or Carol at the hospital - but this was not one of those situations. It all happened too quick.
I'm not trying to defend Daryl and his actions. I'm just trying to understand them and this is just what sense I've been able to make of it.
EDIT: @spottedstar3137 Hey! I just saw your post and I guess this kind of relates.
awesome points, thanks for sharing!
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