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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 15:39:53 GMT -5
I mean, she can't do warrior duties, and she can't become a medicine cat. You have to travel all the way to the Moonpool and reach out for StarClan and - yes, while Briarlight can drag herself, she cannot go too far. What if an enemy attacks her? What if some predator threatens to kill her? Briarlight wouldn't be able to defend herself. After all, Mapleshade went there and killed Ravenwing, and Breezepelt tried to kill Jayfeather. This proves that the journey to the Moonpool is not entirely safe and StarClan cannot protect her the entire time.
Briarlight is just there now, and I do believe that she is pointless to the series. While she does have a few minor moments I liked (when she tried to help Alderpaw with the herbs), other than that, there really isn't a reason to keep her alive. And I think it was a bad idea for the Erins to make her represent hope. Because now they can't kill her off, because it will offend many people.
Briarlight has become a boring and predictable character who causes nothing but drama, IMO. I mean, when she refused to eat in Fading Echoes, Millie completely freaked out. And every time she's in near-death, everyone freaks out like they don't believe that they can save her.
Honestly, Briarlight just needs to go. I have nothing against her, but it's pointless to keep her alive at this point. Briarlight causes nothing but drama and she has no real purpose to the story. All she can do is clean herself and perhaps the den, and that's all.
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Oct 23, 2016 15:47:24 GMT -5
Yes, Briarlight needs to die for realism's sake. Her survival is unrealistic, especially since it's been well over a year since the injury, maybe even two.
Is she useless and pointless? No. Heck, her character arc in OoTS and BrS is largely about finding her place in ThunderClan. Can she hunt, fight, walk, or function like a normal cat? No, but I wouldn't call Briarlight useless, because she's not. If anything else, Briarlight is perfectly capable of assisting Jayfeather (although that's kind of excessive now that Alderheart exists) and providing emotional support for others.
I know Briarlight doesn't do much in regards to plot, but that doesn't mean she's useless in-universe.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 23, 2016 16:02:06 GMT -5
It was actually Night Whispers where she refused to eat.
But yeah, I agree that Briarlight just needs to go. She's cheated death seven times and doesn't really add much to the plot either. Millie was overprotective of her and Blossomfall was jealous, but it seems like the latter was dropped after one book and apparently amends were made long ago.
Other than that, Briarlight just doesn't seem to have much of a purpose to the story. In-universe, she's great at helping and occasionally switches from depressed to optimistic for some of the books, albeit understandably so, but she doesn't do anything aside from that. She's a good cat, but she's also become boring and predictable.
Yes, she's based on a friend and symbolizes hope to the disabled, but her arc just doesn't work in a setting like Warriors where danger lurks at every turn and anyone can die... anyone except for Briarlight.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Oct 23, 2016 16:46:34 GMT -5
The whole plotline was decent as an after-disaster crisis, but that's it. She should have died a long time ago.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Oct 23, 2016 16:47:49 GMT -5
It was actually Night Whispers where she refused to eat. But yeah, I agree that Briarlight just needs to go. She's cheated death seven times and doesn't really add much to the plot either. Millie was overprotective of her and Blossomfall was jealous, but it seems like the latter was dropped after one book and apparently amends were made long ago. Other than that, Briarlight just doesn't seem to have much of a purpose to the story. In-universe, she's great at helping and occasionally switches from depressed to optimistic for some of the books, albeit understandably so, but she doesn't do anything aside from that. She's a good cat, but she's also become boring and predictable. Yes, she's based on a friend and symbolizes hope to the disabled, but her arc just doesn't work in a setting like Warriors where danger lurks at every turn and anyone can die... anyone except for Briarlight. She's not very motivational for the disabled, what with her just sitting around all day doing mundane chores. She basically screams "hey, you get paralyzed like me and you might as well kissyour big happy dreams goodbye!" |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 23, 2016 16:52:28 GMT -5
It was actually Night Whispers where she refused to eat. But yeah, I agree that Briarlight just needs to go. She's cheated death seven times and doesn't really add much to the plot either. Millie was overprotective of her and Blossomfall was jealous, but it seems like the latter was dropped after one book and apparently amends were made long ago. Other than that, Briarlight just doesn't seem to have much of a purpose to the story. In-universe, she's great at helping and occasionally switches from depressed to optimistic for some of the books, albeit understandably so, but she doesn't do anything aside from that. She's a good cat, but she's also become boring and predictable. Yes, she's based on a friend and symbolizes hope to the disabled, but her arc just doesn't work in a setting like Warriors where danger lurks at every turn and anyone can die... anyone except for Briarlight. She's not very motivational for the disabled, what with her just sitting around all day doing mundane chores. She basically screams "hey, you get paralyzed like me and you might as well kissyour big happy dreams goodbye!" Exactly! Honestly, Deadfoot, Crookedstar, Brightheart, and even Jayfeather and a few other disabled cats are better role models for the disabled than she is. |
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Oct 23, 2016 17:06:23 GMT -5
She's not very motivational for the disabled, what with her just sitting around all day doing mundane chores. She basically screams "hey, you get paralyzed like me and you might as well kissyour big happy dreams goodbye!" Exactly! Honestly, Deadfoot, Crookedstar, Brightheart, and even Jayfeather and a few other disabled cats are better role models for the disabled than she is. Cinderpelt, too, since she made the most out of not being able to be a warrior. Briarlight is a terrible role model for the disabled and just makes them look weak. I guess her beating so many greencough outbreaks could be inspirational, if it was written well, which it was not. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 23, 2016 17:27:11 GMT -5
Exactly! Honestly, Deadfoot, Crookedstar, Brightheart, and even Jayfeather and a few other disabled cats are better role models for the disabled than she is. Cinderpelt, too, since she made the most out of not being able to be a warrior. Briarlight is a terrible role model for the disabled and just makes them look weak. I guess her beating so many greencough outbreaks could be inspirational, if it was written well, which it was not. Yeah, Briarlight could have been written so much better. I guess it'd be hard for her to do much since she is paralyzed from the waist down, but even then it's pretty weak how she just doesn't do much aside from help the medicine cats (a role that was given to Brightheart long ago and seemed to be rendered useless now with Leafpool and Alderheart), give emotional support—which is nice, but we don't get to see this too often—and occasionally go from optimistic to depressed a few times throughout a few of the books. I'm not asking for Brirlight to be happy with her condition and of course she'd be upset, but compared to other disabled cats, she's pretty weak. |
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Oct 23, 2016 17:31:53 GMT -5
Cinderpelt, too, since she made the most out of not being able to be a warrior. Briarlight is a terrible role model for the disabled and just makes them look weak. I guess her beating so many greencough outbreaks could be inspirational, if it was written well, which it was not. Yeah, Briarlight could have been written so much better. I guess it'd be hard for her to do much since she is paralyzed from the waist down, but even then it's pretty weak how she just doesn't do much aside from help the medicine cats (a role that was given to Brightheart long ago and seemed to be rendered useless now with Leafpool and Alderheart), give emotional support—which is nice, but we don't get to see this too often—and occasionally go from optimistic to depressed a few times throughout a few of the books. I'm not asking for Brirlight to be happy with her condition and of course she'd be upset, but compared to other disabled cats, she's pretty weak. I still want to see her die, have Millie go crazy as a result, and then do something insane like run straight into a fox den or something as a result of her lost sanity. If ever the Erins wanted to go for shock value, that'd be a way to do it. I don't know about you, but I'd rather see that then this constant repetition of "conflict that will be solved by Firestar's kin". |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 23, 2016 17:54:01 GMT -5
Yeah, Briarlight could have been written so much better. I guess it'd be hard for her to do much since she is paralyzed from the waist down, but even then it's pretty weak how she just doesn't do much aside from help the medicine cats (a role that was given to Brightheart long ago and seemed to be rendered useless now with Leafpool and Alderheart), give emotional support—which is nice, but we don't get to see this too often—and occasionally go from optimistic to depressed a few times throughout a few of the books. I'm not asking for Brirlight to be happy with her condition and of course she'd be upset, but compared to other disabled cats, she's pretty weak. I still want to see her die, have Millie go crazy as a result, and then do something insane like run straight into a fox den or something as a result of her lost sanity. If ever the Erins wanted to go for shock value, that'd be a way to do it. I don't know about you, but I'd rather see that then this constant repetition of "conflict that will be solved by Firestar's kin". Yeah, that actually would be way more interesting than the same old plot we've seen over and over again. Millie does seem to have calmed down since becoming an elder, but yeah Briarlight honestly should've died long ago. |
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Post by nem on Oct 23, 2016 18:04:36 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by Sablemoon on Oct 23, 2016 18:30:36 GMT -5
Rather than dying and offending everyone, maybe a subplot, or a big part of the plot, is that a twoleg finds her and they take her in as a kittypet. I bet she'd like a kitty wheelchair.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Oct 23, 2016 18:38:33 GMT -5
Sablemoon She'd be less offensive if she was dead.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 23, 2016 22:09:08 GMT -5
The fact that she's still breathing but Foxleap, Icecloud, Hazeltail, Toadstep, and Seedpaw died is beyond me.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 23, 2016 22:13:31 GMT -5
The fact that she's still breathing but Foxleap, Icecloud, Hazeltail, Toadstep, and Seedpaw died is beyond me. As well as Spiderleg, Dandelionkit, Juniperkit, and Sandstorm. Honestly, all of these ThunderClan cats dying, yet she somehow just keeps on living. It's unrealistic, as well as ridiculous. I'm actually hoping she'll die in this arc, but a part of me I doubts it. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 23, 2016 22:15:11 GMT -5
The fact that she's still breathing but Foxleap, Icecloud, Hazeltail, Toadstep, and Seedpaw died is beyond me. As well as Spiderleg, Dandelionkit, Juniperkit, and Sandstorm. Honestly, all of these ThunderClan cats dying, yet she somehow just keeps on living. It's unrealistic, as well as ridiculous. I'm actually hoping she'll die in this arc, but a part of me I doubts it. I feel like we're not gonna see her die anytime soon just like Leafpool. ThunderClan doesn't need three meddie cats. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 23, 2016 22:22:13 GMT -5
As well as Spiderleg, Dandelionkit, Juniperkit, and Sandstorm. Honestly, all of these ThunderClan cats dying, yet she somehow just keeps on living. It's unrealistic, as well as ridiculous. I'm actually hoping she'll die in this arc, but a part of me I doubts it. I feel like we're not gonna see her die anytime soon just like Leafpool. ThunderClan doesn't need three meddie cats. Agreed. I mean, if they still want to keep Leafpool alive, then at the very least have her retire. She's already had her story told, trained Puddleshine, and Alderheart has become a full medicine cat. I don't really see what else there is for her to do now. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 23, 2016 22:25:09 GMT -5
I feel like we're not gonna see her die anytime soon just like Leafpool. ThunderClan doesn't need three meddie cats. Agreed. I mean, if they still want to keep Leafpool alive, then at the very least have her retire. She's already had her story told, trained Puddleshine, and Alderheart has become a full medicine cat. I don't really see what else there is for her to do now. I mean the Erins wouldn't have to worry about overpopulating clans so much if they didn't constantly hook cats up all the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 0:28:57 GMT -5
Rather than dying and offending everyone, maybe a subplot, or a big part of the plot, is that a twoleg finds her and they take her in as a kittypet. I bet she'd like a kitty wheelchair. I don't think Briarlight would like to go live with Twolegs. She's feral and that's all she knows. She would be miserable to go live away from her family, and Millie would never allow such a thing anyways. It's most likely if a Twoleg found her they would put her to sleep |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 1:23:08 GMT -5
Rather than dying and offending everyone, maybe a subplot, or a big part of the plot, is that a twoleg finds her and they take her in as a kittypet. I bet she'd like a kitty wheelchair. I don't think Briarlight would like to go live with Twolegs. She's feral and that's all she knows. She would be miserable to go live away from her family, and Millie would never allow such a thing anyways. It's most likely if a Twoleg found her they would put her to sleep Go the soap opera route: let her lose her memories and then get found by twolegs. then end it on a cliff hanger and come out with a novella on briarlight as a kittypet with wheelchair. |
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Post by Sablemoon on Oct 24, 2016 1:34:39 GMT -5
Rather than dying and offending everyone, maybe a subplot, or a big part of the plot, is that a twoleg finds her and they take her in as a kittypet. I bet she'd like a kitty wheelchair. I don't think Briarlight would like to go live with Twolegs. She's feral and that's all she knows. She would be miserable to go live away from her family, and Millie would never allow such a thing anyways. It's most likely if a Twoleg found her they would put her to sleep |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 24, 2016 1:44:25 GMT -5
No one is saying she's a bad character its just the fact that she's still alive is utter ridiculous even for a series about talking cats with religious ideals. How in StarClan's name does a paralyzed cat survive the biggest bloody battle of all time, a wave of sickness that killed many younger healthier warriors, and a flipping flood for pete's sake. Also there's birds of prey, dogs, foxes, badgers, etc, anyone of them can pick her off from the camp. Briarlight's survival is getting to the point of disturbing for my taste and making the Erin's bias way too obvious. I've never seen this much bias since Leafpool got off easier than Squirrelflight and Ashfur getting into StarClan.
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