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Post by Pandean on Oct 12, 2016 16:33:51 GMT -5
I'm just thinking about all the drama the lie and whatnot caused and I was thinking...wouldn't it maybe have been better for her to be honest.
ThunderClan is not how ShadowClan was when Brokenkit came to be, Jay, Lion, and Holly wouldn't have been treated badly and abused in the way Brokenkit was. Half-Clan kits/Forbidden kits, other than Brokenkit usually turned out okay even if they had to deal with some crap.
Firestar wouldn't abandon Leafpool and the kits to die; not just because he's her father and those are his kin but because he just doesn't really roll that way.
The other Clan members knew Leafpool snuck off with Crowfeather so it wouldn't be such a big betrayal since they already knew. If anything, she might be treated with scorn, but ThunderClan never really had a problem when it came to being jerks to kits for reasons they can't control. (You could argue Darkstripe and Tigerstar w/ Feather and Storm and Cloud but those are villains so obvious that's different).
Leafpool would probably need to step down from being a medicine cat and train a new one and become a warrior, but honestly, when Yellowfang foretold that terrible things would happen if Leafpool told the truth/etc. from the beginning, I think she was just full of bull.
Yellowfang's situation is entirely different from Leafpool's.
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Post by Wicked Witch on Oct 12, 2016 17:03:42 GMT -5
yup.
but they would probably find a way to squeeze out some drama out of it. just because.
actually ashfur would probably still try to burn em up because he's a pig-tailed animal abuser and would need to hurt some relatives to make squirrelflight feel Pain (Nagato) since she's a redhead.
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Oct 12, 2016 17:18:02 GMT -5
I agree.
Firestar of all cats would understand the situation, and I doubt he'd exile Leafpool (and not simply because they're related). He could've exiled Graystripe in TDH for having kits with Silverstream, technical treason, and separatism, but he didn't. If she had told the truth from the beginning, the Clan would've taken good care of the kits regardless. Leafpool would either be temporarily replaced by Brightheart until a new apprentice came along, or she'd keep her position until her apprentice was ready to take over.
What I'm wondering about is WindClan's reaction. Would they exile Crowfeather? I could definitely see Onestar doing this. Or maybe, they'd demand custody of the Three. Would ThunderClan hand them over? I think Leafpool and a good chunk of the Clan would strongly object, including Firestar, but some would support this. Or, maybe they could divide them up. I think Jayfeather would stay with ThunderClan, because Onestar wouldn't want to accept a blind cat into his rankings. Hollyleaf could go with WindClan due to looking similar to Crowfeather, but Onestar might want Lionblaze due to the fact that he's the largest and strongest. Would Firestar and Onestar be willing to go to war over it? Would Breezepelt even exist?
Someone should write this AU.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 12, 2016 17:27:10 GMT -5
If she told the truth, many things wouldn't have happened. Ashfur wouldn't have tried to burn them because that entire scene was for Squirrelflight to reveal that they aren't her kits.
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Post by Sootfeather on Oct 12, 2016 17:37:08 GMT -5
I agree. Firestar of all cats would understand the situation, and I doubt he'd exile Leafpool (and not simply because they're related). He could've exiled Graystripe in TDH for having kits with Silverstream, technical treason, and separatism, but he didn't. If she had told the truth from the beginning, the Clan would've taken good care of the kits regardless. Leafpool would either be temporarily replaced by Brightheart until a new apprentice came along, or she'd keep her position until her apprentice was ready to take over. What I'm wondering about is WindClan's reaction. Would they exile Crowfeather? I could definitely see Onestar doing this. Or maybe, they'd demand custody of the Three. Would ThunderClan hand them over? I think Leafpool and a good chunk of the Clan would strongly object, including Firestar, but some would support this. Or, maybe they could divide them up. I think Jayfeather would stay with ThunderClan, because Onestar wouldn't want to accept a blind cat into his rankings. Hollyleaf could go with WindClan due to looking similar to Crowfeather, but Onestar might want Lionblaze due to the fact that he's the largest and strongest. Would Firestar and Onestar be willing to go to war over it? Would Breezepelt even exist? Someone should write this AU. Onestar logic Keep a cat who almost murdered 3 innocent cats Exile one who made a meddie preggers I mean, if this AU happened and everything was the same, that is |
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Post by Kibui on Oct 12, 2016 17:42:27 GMT -5
The other Clan members knew Leafpool snuck off with Crowfeather so it wouldn't be such a big betrayal since they already knew. If anything, she might be treated with scorn, but ThunderClan never really had a problem when it came to being jerks to kits for reasons they can't control. (You could argue Darkstripe and Tigerstar w/ Feather and Storm and Cloud but those are villains so obvious that's different). This is exactly the reason why I'm so irritated that at the end of Sunrise, when Hollyleaf tells the Clan about LeafXCrow, literally EVERYONE is shocked and acts as if it's the end of the world. I mean come on I could understand if that sort of reaction came from Shadow- and RiverClan alone but WindClan and ThunderClan act like they haven't even noticed that Leaf and Crow had a relationship and left their Clans. I mean, the reason the books offer for that decision is that StarClan needed to be sure they were only loyal to one Clan but... as soon as they found out about the prophecy and their powers, wasn't one of Hollyleaf's (yes I know she's not one of the three bear with that for a second please^^) very first reaction that they should go help the other Clans? Anyhow it's still not like the three would have been raised in Wind- and ThunderClan if Leafpool told the truth. They might have known that they have kin in another Clan but that doesn't mean they couldn't be raised a loyal warriors (I'd imagine they would probably turn out like Stormfur and Feathertail maybe) - especially in ThunderClan |
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Oct 12, 2016 18:00:30 GMT -5
It would cause a lot of commotion through the clan, but I think you are probably right. The problems that came from lying far surpass the problems that came from a pregnant med-cat.
Leafpool could have been scorned and perhaps stepped down after training an apprentice, but that happened anyway and she dragged Squirrelflight down with her. Hollyleaf wouldn't have been so attached to the code so she wouldn't have her downfall. The Ashfur fire scene and Squirrel and Bramble's fallouts wouldn't have happened. Without Hollyleaf revealing everything at the gathering, ThunderClan could even keep it is their little secret. And if they did find out, I don't think that Crowfeather would get exiled since he didn't when the truth was found out.
If Leafpool just told the truth, it would be dealt with then and there and everyone would move on with their lives. A lot of drama could have been avoided without the secrecy.
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Post by kinkajou on Oct 12, 2016 18:06:10 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 12, 2016 19:12:00 GMT -5
This is making me hate Leafpool more and more.. |
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Post by tiger beetle on Oct 12, 2016 19:18:36 GMT -5
I do think things would have turned out better, but I can still see why Leafpool would keep it a secret if she thought she could pull it off (which…she almost did…)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 22:30:14 GMT -5
It's crazy how much lies can really change some things in life..
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Post by pastelpills on Oct 12, 2016 23:46:07 GMT -5
I agree, except one thing.
I don't think she would step down. They were after a badger fight and needed a medicine cat if anything. Going on without medicine cat for moons is a problem. ThunderClan had to manage without Ravenwing for a while, but that was because he was dead. Leafpool was very much alive and find the right med cat and train him/her would take a while. So I believe she would've stayed as a medicine cat and trained a new one. I mean sure she would step down after the new med cat is trained, but honestly, I don't see the point of it. So in my opinion she would stay on her med cat place and everything would remain as it was.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 12, 2016 23:58:12 GMT -5
I agree, except one thing. I don't think she would step down. They were after a badger fight and needed a medicine cat if anything. Going on without medicine cat for moons is a problem. ThunderClan had to manage without Ravenwing for a while, but that was because he was dead. Leafpool was very much alive and find the right med cat and train him/her would take a while. So I believe she would've stayed as a medicine cat and trained a new one. I mean sure she would step down after the new med cat is trained, but honestly, I don't see the point of it. So in my opinion she would stay on her med cat place and everything would remain as it was. But where is the punishment for that? She's a medicine cat, she should be punished somehow. And being scorned is certainly not enough. Knowing her attitude, she would, act pathetic and sad, then regain it by sucking up. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 13, 2016 3:08:55 GMT -5
Personally? Yes. I mean, the only couple we've ever seen that has gotten the truth out was Gray and Silver, but in the long run, Leaf x Crow caused waaaaay more trouble, even without the prophecy involved. Silverstream was implied to be willing to switch clans, because she loved Graystripe more than the river. Then things would have worked out, probably like Windflight's parents. Bluestar was also pretty understanding and sympathetic with his case too, and the only reason Graystripe went to RiverClan was to raise his kits. It's better that the truth come out, then to cause a bigger and worse lie. The whole Leaf and Crow drama was just terrible.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 13, 2016 3:11:00 GMT -5
I agree, except one thing. I don't think she would step down. They were after a badger fight and needed a medicine cat if anything. Going on without medicine cat for moons is a problem. ThunderClan had to manage without Ravenwing for a while, but that was because he was dead. Leafpool was very much alive and find the right med cat and train him/her would take a while. So I believe she would've stayed as a medicine cat and trained a new one. I mean sure she would step down after the new med cat is trained, but honestly, I don't see the point of it. So in my opinion she would stay on her med cat place and everything would remain as it was. But where is the punishment for that? She's a medicine cat, she should be punished somehow. And being scorned is certainly not enough. Knowing her attitude, she would, act pathetic and sad, then regain it by sucking up. The thing is though, if the truth had came out earlier, then things would have been different. Leafpool wouldn't even be in a position like that int he first place, lol. She probably wouldn't have ran off, and she probably would have been there to save Cinderpelt. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 13, 2016 8:50:58 GMT -5
But this is the case of her running off and getting knocked up. Cinderpelt would have still died.
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