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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 22:41:25 GMT -5
Also, there's a big difference between LGBT people acknowledging our own existence as brave, and straight people calling us brave. The former is about us forging a sense of pride in ourselves and our community for persevering; the latter just feels... condescending? Like, "Wow, I can't imagine being gay! Better you than me!" I mean, sure, I'm brave, but I'm not your inspiration you-know-what or your worst case scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 22:42:47 GMT -5
⋆ ɑetɧeɾ « - Okay, cool! Thanks for coming in and being chill. I'd rather people just ask questions then run around and refuse to listen or learn. Glad we could clear some stuff up for you, and hit me up if there's anything else you wanna know.
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Post by Sanders on Oct 11, 2016 22:43:37 GMT -5
⋆ ɑetɧeɾ « - Okay, cool! Thanks for coming in and being chill. I'd rather people just ask questions then run around and refuse to listen or learn. Glad we could clear some stuff up for you, and hit me up if there's anything else you wanna know. same tho im bad at replying sometimes.
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Post by qυeeɴ oғ ɢнoѕтlιɴɢѕ on Oct 11, 2016 22:47:22 GMT -5
Everytime I come across someone who claims to be an "ally" they will at some point manage to make me feel uncomfortable by making a seemingly harmless joke or saying something that feels wrong to me. Maybe I'm just easily made uncomfortable or somewhat offended because my parents make jokes about my sexuality a lot, but I feel like it might also be where I am at the times. I know there are good allies based on things I've seen on tumblr and even some on here but for the most part it's just people trying too hard and failing. There are people who I feel are good allies because they just don't give a quack about what you are they just care about you. I feel like that's what people should be in my opinion. Fighting for rights is the right thing to do but in the end the person is also important because they are who they are fighting for. i don't really know if this makes sense but I just wanted to put in my two cents.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 22:48:03 GMT -5
John 3:16 - I can't think of anything you could've been referring to that would be nice and benign instead of gross and bigoted, so like? Inquiring minds want to know what's up there. Thanks for being a prime example of a straight person invading a LGBT space to talk about their thing, though. I'm sure all your gay bandom ships will get you out of this one!
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Post by ⋆ ɑetɧeɾ « on Oct 11, 2016 22:49:14 GMT -5
⋆ ɑetɧeɾ « - Okay, cool! Thanks for coming in and being chill. I'd rather people just ask questions then run around and refuse to listen or learn. Glad we could clear some stuff up for you, and hit me up if there's anything else you wanna know. same tho im bad at replying sometimes. No prob!
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Post by Sanders on Oct 11, 2016 22:49:34 GMT -5
John 3:16 - I can't think of anything you could've been referring to that would be nice and benign instead of gross and bigoted, so like? Inquiring minds want to know what's up there. Thanks for being a prime example of a straight person invading a LGBT space to talk about their thing, though. I'm sure all your gay bandom ships will get you out of this one! how do i like this 10000000x
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 22:49:47 GMT -5
I do not see the big deal if they are saying they're okay with it. They probably think they're doing nice/being supportive. If they come in saying it's wrong/they don't like it then that's messed up but otherwise it's not really a big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 22:50:05 GMT -5
John 3:16 - I can't think of anything you could've been referring to that would be nice and benign instead of gross and bigoted, so like? Inquiring minds want to know what's up there. Thanks for being a prime example of a straight person invading a LGBT space to talk about their thing, though. I'm sure all your gay bandom ships will get you out of this one! how do i like this 10000000x Have your roommates get on their accounts to do it.
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Post by Sanders on Oct 11, 2016 22:50:55 GMT -5
how do i like this 10000000x Have your roommates get on their accounts to do it. jessssssssssssssus
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Post by Sanders on Oct 11, 2016 22:53:49 GMT -5
I do not see the big deal if they are saying they're okay with it. They probably think they're doing nice/being supportive. If they come in saying it's wrong/they don't like it then that's messed up but otherwise it's not really a big deal. im not saying it's always a bad thing but there are many times where it is unnecessary and not really a place for them to have to insert their straightness.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 22:57:00 GMT -5
Have your roommates get on their accounts to do it. jessssssssssssssus My sister November agrees.
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Post by Sand 🎃 on Oct 11, 2016 23:09:06 GMT -5
Shh, no comments about past events, please.
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Post by John 3:16 on Oct 11, 2016 23:36:38 GMT -5
John 3:16 - I can't think of anything you could've been referring to that would be nice and benign instead of gross and bigoted, so like? Inquiring minds want to know what's up there. Thanks for being a prime example of a straight person invading a LGBT space to talk about their thing, though. I'm sure all your gay bandom ships will get you out of this one! um... what? First of all, you just live to pick fights, don't you? Second of all, have I ever said I was straight? No. Exactly. What I meant was, I've seen lgbt people stroll right into groups of kids at school and expect everyone to fall at their feet. It really ticks me off that lgbt people are like "omg strait ppl r doin this!!!1" when some of their community are doing the same thing (take the #downwithcis for example) but expecting to be excused from it because they are simply lgbt. And I've seen straight people do this as well, and it also annoys me to no end. And why are you bringing my ships into this? What do those have to do with anything? I'm shaking my head.
Mods, before this thread gets way out of hand, this needs to be locked. Another fight is going to break out soon enough, I can feel it.
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Post by Sanders on Oct 11, 2016 23:46:34 GMT -5
John 3:16 - I can't think of anything you could've been referring to that would be nice and benign instead of gross and bigoted, so like? Inquiring minds want to know what's up there. Thanks for being a prime example of a straight person invading a LGBT space to talk about their thing, though. I'm sure all your gay bandom ships will get you out of this one! um... what? First of all, you just live to pick fights, don't you? Second of all, have I ever said I was straight? No. Exactly. What I meant was, I've seen lgbt people stroll right into groups of kids at school and expect everyone to fall at their feet. It really ticks me off that lgbt people are like "omg strait ppl r doin this!!!1" when some of their community are doing the same thing (take the #downwithcis for example) but expecting to be excused from it because they are simply lgbt. And I've seen straight people do this as well, and it also annoys me to no end. And why are you bringing my ships into this? What do those have to do with anything? I'm shaking my head.
Mods, before this thread gets way out of hand, this needs to be locked. Another fight is going to break out soon enough, I can feel it. ill let you know that when i walk up to groups of people i don't want them to fall at my feet i want them to actually just respect my existence and acknowledge that i am a human being and would like to be addressed by my name and my pronouns which a lot of straight people don't do for me. also like. pls don't ask to have my thread closed lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 23:50:59 GMT -5
Like. Down with cis was not real. It just didn't happen. Sorry to have to break it to you. (Before you say anything, I'm cis, but like. I'm not oppressed for it lmao and I'm not gonna pretend to be.)
I am sorry for assuming, though. I thought I saw you mention being straight somewhere, but I must've confused you for another person, and that's my bad.
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Post by John 3:16 on Oct 12, 2016 0:14:28 GMT -5
Like. Down with cis was not real. It just didn't happen. Sorry to have to break it to you. (Before you say anything, I'm cis, but like. I'm not oppressed for it lmao and I'm not gonna pretend to be.) I am sorry for assuming, though. I thought I saw you mention being straight somewhere, but I must've confused you for another person, and that's my bad. ok, from the moment I posted that response I knew that was a bad example and I knew it was most likely some kind of joke but some people were taking it seriously I apologize
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Post by John 3:16 on Oct 12, 2016 0:16:04 GMT -5
um... what? First of all, you just live to pick fights, don't you? Second of all, have I ever said I was straight? No. Exactly. What I meant was, I've seen lgbt people stroll right into groups of kids at school and expect everyone to fall at their feet. It really ticks me off that lgbt people are like "omg strait ppl r doin this!!!1" when some of their community are doing the same thing (take the #downwithcis for example) but expecting to be excused from it because they are simply lgbt. And I've seen straight people do this as well, and it also annoys me to no end. And why are you bringing my ships into this? What do those have to do with anything? I'm shaking my head.
Mods, before this thread gets way out of hand, this needs to be locked. Another fight is going to break out soon enough, I can feel it. ill let you know that when i walk up to groups of people i don't want them to fall at my feet i want them to actually just respect my existence and acknowledge that i am a human being and would like to be addressed by my name and my pronouns which a lot of straight people don't do for me. also like. pls don't ask to have my thread closed lol I wasn't talking about you/using you as an example, I was saying other people.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Oct 12, 2016 0:29:14 GMT -5
I can understand where you're coming from. I have quite a few friends that are in the LGBT community, and I support them just be being their friend and treating them any other human being. But I don't constantly announce I'm straight, or make these huge speeches like other people do lol. They're my friends, and that's how I treat them.
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Post by 🎃❅❖.Şp໐໐kฯຟiຖ໓.❖❅🎃 on Oct 12, 2016 2:03:27 GMT -5
I don't really understand myself how it can be condescending to tell a lgbt person you're with them, and you support who they are seeing as there is a large mass of people who really don't support lgbt people. I personally wouldn't go "OH IM STRAIGHT AND CIS BUT I'M HERE IF YOU NEED ME" because I can get how that would be annoying if done many times. However, I don't really think it'll help you guys as oppressed people to turn away and be upset with people who only want to show their support for you. I just like, I know for a fact nobody has ever told me i'm brave for being who I am, but I really have a hard time seeing how someone commending you for accepting yourself can be seen as something bad. I'm going to leave the whole 'my space' thing alone, because I understand that you want to be around people who understand your exact struggles. That's my personal thoughts. I hope i'm conveying what I mean to say properly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 7:18:45 GMT -5
I don't really understand myself how it can be condescending to tell a lgbt person you're with them, and you support who they are seeing as there is a large mass of people who really don't support lgbt people. I personally wouldn't go " OH IM STRAIGHT AND CIS BUT I'M HERE IF YOU NEED ME" because I can get how that would be annoying if done many times. However, I don't really think it'll help you guys as oppressed people to turn away and be upset with people who only want to show their support for you. I just like, I know for a fact nobody has ever told me i'm brave for being who I am, but I really have a hard time seeing how someone commending you for accepting yourself can be seen as something bad. I'm going to leave the whole 'my space' thing alone, because I understand that you want to be around people who understand your exact struggles. That's my personal thoughts. I hope i'm conveying what I mean to say properly. I only have like ten minutes, so I'm not gonna be able to say everything that I want to, but the main point here is that we want you to show, not tell. Anyone can go, "I totally support you guys!" including, you know, actual homophobes. (See: a large chunk of the population here who "disagrees with LGBT people, but doesn't hate them!") If I'm going to trust that you're a real ally, it's going to come down to your actions, not your words. Does that make sense? I don't think I'm explaining it as well as I could be.
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Post by 🎃❅❖.Şp໐໐kฯຟiຖ໓.❖❅🎃 on Oct 12, 2016 9:50:47 GMT -5
It does make sense, although idk.. I just think it would be hard to be like.. upset with the people who are your actual ally but aren't sure how to present that other than telling you? I get the being cautious part but some people might not exactly be able to show you that they do support you other than letting you know verbally. If you lash out at a person who supports you but isn't given a situation to show it, I think that's a little unfair to me. Like I said though, I see your point with the "show not tell" but I don't know how good it would be for you to like, say a supporter of you is a homophobe like the others because they may have a hard time asserting themselves into a situation that can legitimately show you. Sometimes people do support, but have a hard time showing, if you get me? I don't mean to come off and say "hey u say we're all homophobes" because I'm not trying to imply that. I know there are people who do say they support you, but then carry on to elaborate with "i support you even if I don't like what you do." but idk, like, I don't know how fair it is to judge a legitimate ally who wasn't given any opportunity to present to you that they are. As a person who does support human rights for every single person on the planet, whether it be homosexual rights or trans, I feel that new supporters of you can be put into this generalization you're making on them.. if that makes sense?
How does someone actually disagree with lgbt though i'm confused because I seen that statement a lot.
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