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Post by Sanders on Oct 11, 2016 20:04:45 GMT -5
why do straight people feel the need to go into gay spaces and announce that they are straight and that they either are okay with gay people or that they aren't??? like nobody asked you or invited you to the party okay? like you are being so unnecessary and it just reminds me of this tweet PS im using gay as an umbrella term for LGBT community so pls don't.
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Post by Sanders on Oct 11, 2016 20:09:54 GMT -5
•ℒ•
ME TOO i was at a lunch table today with my lgbtq crew and we where talking to a girl about her crush on another girl and one of the others goes "well, i'm strait so" and just got up and left like, stop? we get that you're strait. calm down.
•℘•NOBODY CARES THAT YOU ARE STRAIGHT OH MY GOD. im so sorry that happened to you. but also the fact that she can't sit for 5 mins and listen to 1 girl talk about her crush
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Post by Ginz on Oct 11, 2016 20:13:40 GMT -5
str8 ppl need to feel speshul
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 20:24:26 GMT -5
hi guys im really really really straight and feeling attacked i need love and acceptance too stop oppressing me
since this is a real touchy subject for once im gonna add that im totally joking
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 21:14:57 GMT -5
Um, it was very hard to come out as straight at my all-gay school, so. :/ Heterophobia much?
Okay, but seriously. @ every straight person on this site: it's great to be an ally and all, and we appreciate the backup during fights, but there's no need to come on our threads with thirty-page monologues about how ~you don't even care if we're gay or not, why are we even mentioning it, we're a all just Human, you're straight by the way, straight as an arrow, but why does it even matter?~. Like. We get it. Maybe chill?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 21:22:45 GMT -5
ALSO: straight people acting like being called gay is the worst insult in the world. Like??? I mean, I face actual homophobia because of my real identity, but I'm sure being gay called once in sixth grade for using a pink pencil has really ruined your life. How dare anyone compare you to those dirty gays, right?
Alternatively: straight people loudly being like, "I don't even care if you call me gay! Just do it! I'm straight, but it doesn't even matter! I'm not insulted at all!" Wow, buddy. You showed them. Macklemore who?
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Post by Sour Candy on Oct 11, 2016 21:24:35 GMT -5
Um, it was very hard to come out as straight at my all-gay school, so. :/ Heterophobia much? Okay, but seriously. @ every straight person on this site: it's great to be an ally and all, and we appreciate the backup during fights, but there's no need to come on our threads with thirty-page monologues about how ~you don't even care if we're gay or not, why are we even mentioning it, we're a all just Human, you're straight by the way, straight as an arrow, but why does it even matter?~. Like. We get it. Maybe chill? Okay I'll leave now
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Post by Sanders on Oct 11, 2016 21:31:39 GMT -5
december you're killing it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 21:32:16 GMT -5
december you're killing it I should just @ certain people on this site, honestly. They know who they are.
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Post by Sanders on Oct 11, 2016 21:33:18 GMT -5
december you're killing it I should just @ certain people on this site, honestly. They know who they are. unfortunately call outs are mean
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 21:34:56 GMT -5
I should just @ certain people on this site, honestly. They know who they are. unfortunately call outs are mean Your fav is problematic: WCF User December. - Bad heterosexual ally. - Particpates in callout culture. - Somehow has 0% on her ban meter? Stop Her.
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Post by Sanders on Oct 11, 2016 21:36:05 GMT -5
it's okay i love you.
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sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾
rood yelling meanie
be cunning and full of tricks
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Post by sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾ on Oct 11, 2016 21:39:14 GMT -5
•♕• straight people: hahaha yea gay people: this thing doesnt include you sorry straight people: WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT DOESNT INCLUDE US????????????????? DISCRIMINATION *goes on to discriminate against lgbtq people for the next 10000 years* IM ANGRY NOW THAT I CANT BE INCLUDED IN EVERYTHING. I AM ENTITLED TO ALL YOUR SPACES •♔•
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 21:49:50 GMT -5
Me: Here are my actual experiences as a LGBT person. The Straights: Um???? Are you sure, sweaty??? /: That's not that offensive to me. Dictionary dot com defines "bigot" as
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Post by ⋆ ɑetɧeɾ « on Oct 11, 2016 22:18:29 GMT -5
Honest question, but, besides the ones that are rudely, outwardly declaring their straight-ness, whats wrong with the ones who dont and like declare that they accept the lgbt+ ?
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Post by John 3:16 on Oct 11, 2016 22:21:32 GMT -5
but i mean... i see the same thing happening vice versa... but i get what u mean
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 22:22:26 GMT -5
Honest question, but, besides the ones that are rudely, outwardly declaring their straight-ness, whats wrong with the ones who dont and like declare that they accept the lgbt+ ? I think it depends on the situation. Telling somebody you support them in a general conversation, especially after they come out to you, is fine, imo. The problem is when straight people invade LGBT spaces - like, as a WCF example, a thread for LGBT forumers - to declare their straightness, because that's not being a good ally, that's making the conversation about them and deflecting from LGBT perspectives. Does that make sense?
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Post by Sanders on Oct 11, 2016 22:25:57 GMT -5
Honest question, but, besides the ones that are rudely, outwardly declaring their straight-ness, whats wrong with the ones who dont and like declare that they accept the lgbt+ ? for me personally, i don't care that you are straight and i don't want you declaring that you're straight in my spaces that ive set up for me and people like me. like it really rubs me the wrong way on like GSA threads or gay threads when straight people come in to be like "lol im straight but you guys are SO BRAVE and I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING." like chill out. i do not literally care that you think im brave for just literally existing in a state that isn't part of the heteronormative and cisnormative world. also it was a thread created for people within the community to share and not necessarily for people outside the community to come in and make it about them.
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Post by ⋆ ɑetɧeɾ « on Oct 11, 2016 22:27:30 GMT -5
Honest question, but, besides the ones that are rudely, outwardly declaring their straight-ness, whats wrong with the ones who dont and like declare that they accept the lgbt+ ? I think it depends on the situation. Telling somebody you support them in a general conversation, especially after they come out to you, is fine, imo. The problem is when straight people invade LGBT spaces - like, as a WCF example, a thread for LGBT forumers - to declare their straightness, because that's not being a good ally, that's making the conversation about them and deflecting from LGBT perspectives. Does that make sense? True true, yeah i understand. i guess about that situation, it is kinda rude bc a thread about coming out and such would be awkward for some and the little community in that thread can help them out yk, and some straight person would just randomly insert themselves in to throw the topic off is rude and unneeded. but what if, again besides the blatant rudeness, its just someone who is openly accepting and letting them know that maybe not ALL straights are homophobic and that they are an 'ally'? I can see how some would be mad about that I guess but ? maybe it was misinterpreted or something, and the hetero person is just being friendly? Idk I'm just trying to make sense of this aha
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Post by Sanders on Oct 11, 2016 22:28:03 GMT -5
but i mean... i see the same thing happening vice versa... but i get what u mean when you posted this did you first think to yourself, "this might be exactly what this thread is talking about." or
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 22:28:06 GMT -5
but i mean... i see the same thing happening vice versa... but i get what u mean I mean... the idea that "vice versa" - meaning LGBT people talking proudly about their identities - is just as bad is... kind of part of the problem were addressing here.
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Post by ⋆ ɑetɧeɾ « on Oct 11, 2016 22:29:20 GMT -5
Honest question, but, besides the ones that are rudely, outwardly declaring their straight-ness, whats wrong with the ones who dont and like declare that they accept the lgbt+ ? for me personally, i don't care that you are straight and i don't want you declaring that you're straight in my spaces that ive set up for me and people like me. like it really rubs me the wrong way on like GSA threads or gay threads when straight people come in to be like "lol im straight but you guys are SO BRAVE and I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING." like chill out. i do not literally care that you think im brave for just literally existing in a state that isn't part of the heteronormative and cisnormative world. also it was a thread created for people within the community to share and not necessarily for people outside the community to come in and make it about them. Fair enough
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 22:32:06 GMT -5
I think it depends on the situation. Telling somebody you support them in a general conversation, especially after they come out to you, is fine, imo. The problem is when straight people invade LGBT spaces - like, as a WCF example, a thread for LGBT forumers - to declare their straightness, because that's not being a good ally, that's making the conversation about them and deflecting from LGBT perspectives. Does that make sense? True true, yeah i understand. i guess about that situation, it is kinda rude bc a thread about coming out and such would be awkward for some and the little community in that thread can help them out yk, and some straight person would just randomly insert themselves in to throw the topic off is rude and unneeded. but what if, again besides the blatant rudeness, its just someone who is openly accepting and letting them know that maybe not ALL straights are homophobic and that they are an 'ally'? I can see how some would be mad about that I guess but ? maybe it was misinterpreted or something, and the hetero person is just being friendly? Idk I'm just trying to make sense of this aha I think it depends on the context. If, for example, a fight breaks out between LGBT forumers and the homophobes, I'm okay with allies showing up to defend the LGBT community, as long as they're uplifting our voices instead of their own. (Which... is hard to explain, but basically, don't make it about yourself. It's about telling the homophobes to knock it off, not about displaying what a good ally you are. Your actions will speak for themselves; we don't need you congratulating yourself, because it makes you seem more concerned with seeming cool than helping us, even if that isn't the case.) If it's a LGBT space, my honest recommendation is to not post. I mean, I know that sounds rude, but it also makes logical sense; I don't post on the Dragon Cave thread to go, "I've never played before, but I support you guys and what you do!" because it's just not a conversation that concerns me.
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sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾
rood yelling meanie
be cunning and full of tricks
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Post by sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾ on Oct 11, 2016 22:33:44 GMT -5
I think it depends on the situation. Telling somebody you support them in a general conversation, especially after they come out to you, is fine, imo. The problem is when straight people invade LGBT spaces - like, as a WCF example, a thread for LGBT forumers - to declare their straightness, because that's not being a good ally, that's making the conversation about them and deflecting from LGBT perspectives. Does that make sense? True true, yeah i understand. i guess about that situation, it is kinda rude bc a thread about coming out and such would be awkward for some and the little community in that thread can help them out yk, and some straight person would just randomly insert themselves in to throw the topic off is rude and unneeded. but what if, again besides the blatant rudeness, its just someone who is openly accepting and letting them know that maybe not ALL straights are homophobic and that they are an 'ally'? I can see how some would be mad about that I guess but ? maybe it was misinterpreted or something, and the hetero person is just being friendly? Idk I'm just trying to make sense of this aha i think thay in that situation, even if the person meant well, to not say "not all straights" because its not really their place to come into the conversations, and really annoying mainly because we KNOW its not all straights? like when we say "straight people" we know of course there are straight people who are perfectly fine, we dont literally mean all straight people if that makes sense? and, sometimes, people just need to accept that they can take people making jokes about straight people once in awhile, its like a tradeoff for lgbtq+ people being violently oppressed for hundreds of years and into the future (although it is getting better a little bit!) did that make sense?
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Post by Sanders on Oct 11, 2016 22:34:14 GMT -5
I think it depends on the situation. Telling somebody you support them in a general conversation, especially after they come out to you, is fine, imo. The problem is when straight people invade LGBT spaces - like, as a WCF example, a thread for LGBT forumers - to declare their straightness, because that's not being a good ally, that's making the conversation about them and deflecting from LGBT perspectives. Does that make sense? True true, yeah i understand. i guess about that situation, it is kinda rude bc a thread about coming out and such would be awkward for some and the little community in that thread can help them out yk, and some straight person would just randomly insert themselves in to throw the topic off is rude and unneeded. but what if, again besides the blatant rudeness, its just someone who is openly accepting and letting them know that maybe not ALL straights are homophobic and that they are an 'ally'? I can see how some would be mad about that I guess but ? maybe it was misinterpreted or something, and the hetero person is just being friendly? Idk I'm just trying to make sense of this aha to be fair i know that not all straights are homophobic and i also don't need that narrative shoved down my throat in my spaces. and if you want to show yourself as an ally there are other ways than inserting yourself into spaces you don't belong. and there are plenty of other spaces for gay people and straights to be together. there are just some times where straight people really need to take a seat and realize this space is not for them.
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Post by John 3:16 on Oct 11, 2016 22:34:50 GMT -5
but i mean... i see the same thing happening vice versa... but i get what u mean I mean... the idea that "vice versa" - meaning LGBT people talking proudly about their identities - is just as bad is... kind of part of the problem were addressing here. but i mean... i see the same thing happening vice versa... but i get what u mean when you posted this did you first think to yourself, "this might be exactly what this thread is talking about." or eh I was meaning something else but if I explained it I would actually get killed so I'm not even going to try
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 22:38:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I actually do know some decent straight people? But part of what makes them good is their ability to stand back and let LGBT issues be about me. (And other LGBT people, if it's a big situation.)
There are people on the forums who I do see as good allies, even though they've never made any "I support you guys! Rainbows are so cool! I love Macklemore!" posts, because their actions show me that they're looking out for me. On the other hand, there are "allies" on this site that have shown me that they aren't true supporters at all, because their actions show me they only support certain LGBT people in certain situations. (An example being the "I like gay people, just not the ones who shove it in your face!" discussion. Listen, LGBT people are not less worthy as soon as they gain the confidence to be publicly proud of why they are.)
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Post by Sanders on Oct 11, 2016 22:38:28 GMT -5
I mean... the idea that "vice versa" - meaning LGBT people talking proudly about their identities - is just as bad is... kind of part of the problem were addressing here. when you posted this did you first think to yourself, "this might be exactly what this thread is talking about." or eh I was meaning something else but if I explained it I would actually get killed so I'm not even going to try tbh the only thing i can think of that you wouldn't want to explain is public bathrooms. which lol you really shouldn't try.
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Post by ⋆ ɑetɧeɾ « on Oct 11, 2016 22:39:53 GMT -5
True true, yeah i understand. i guess about that situation, it is kinda rude bc a thread about coming out and such would be awkward for some and the little community in that thread can help them out yk, and some straight person would just randomly insert themselves in to throw the topic off is rude and unneeded. but what if, again besides the blatant rudeness, its just someone who is openly accepting and letting them know that maybe not ALL straights are homophobic and that they are an 'ally'? I can see how some would be mad about that I guess but ? maybe it was misinterpreted or something, and the hetero person is just being friendly? Idk I'm just trying to make sense of this aha I think it depends on the context. If, for example, a fight breaks out between LGBT forumers and the homophobes, I'm okay with allies showing up to defend the LGBT community, as long as they're uplifting our voices instead of their own. (Which... is hard to explain, but basically, don't make it about yourself. It's about telling the homophobes to knock it off, not about displaying what a good ally you are. Your actions will speak for themselves; we don't need you congratulating yourself, because it makes you seem more concerned with seeming cool than helping us, even if that isn't the case.) If it's a LGBT space, my honest recommendation is to not post. I mean, I know that sounds rude, but it also makes logical sense; I don't post on the Dragon Cave thread to go, "I've never played before, but I support you guys and what you do!" because it's just not a conversation that concerns me. Yeah that was another thing I was thinking of which is understandable ~ Yeah that makes sense. Probably a horrible example lol, but, kinda like clubs, like. Dont go in and say your piece if youre not a participant to this particular club maybe ?? like how you said about the other thread~ (and, minus the part where you as a hypothetical member can bring a friend nonmember in lol) but yeah, I think I get the difference now ~ n.n
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