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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Oct 8, 2016 17:28:37 GMT -5
You know, for all the hate that Nightcloud gets, while being labelled as the psychotic mate/overbearing mother, I can't help but think back to her loving moments in The Sight. The Erins really described her to be caring, compassionate, and gentle, and I loved it. She even treated Lionpaw with care when he and Breezepaw were injured, instead of only caring about her son. I really wish the Erins didn't screw with her character just to serve as a foil to Crowfeather or as a factor for Breezepelt's breakdowns.
Yeah she had one or two moments of jealousy, but that was often following Leafpool getting a bit too mushy w/ Crowfeather, as I totally understand the basis of her irritation, considering that it was all going on while their son just barely survived death.
I don't know...I kind of wish Nightcloud hadn't changed the way she did...
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Post by Kestrelfeather on Oct 8, 2016 17:37:47 GMT -5
I actually sorta like Nightcloud. I honestly feel bad for her.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 18:13:05 GMT -5
I actually sorta like Nightcloud. I honestly feel bad for her. I don't even understand how ANYONE feels bad for Nightcloud. She never liked Crowfeather and smothered Breezepelt to the point where he thinks he can do no wrong and from there, majority of breezepelt's actions stem from that way of thinking nightcloud pushed onto him. so i dont understand how ANYONE feels any form of sympathy for someone like her. I've always hated Nightcloud and I see absolutely NO reason to feel sorry for her.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 8, 2016 19:43:38 GMT -5
Yeah, even though I've never been all that fond of Nightcloud, I did always like how she was portrayed in The Sight, minus the small moments of jealousy here and there and as you've said, even that was understandable given what was going on at the time.
It's a shame how every portrayal of her after this is that of an overly jealous, petty, and spiteful character who is partially responsible for how Breezepelt turned out. In The Sight, she actually acts like a mother should towards her child—firm, yet loving—and was shown to be grateful for both Lionpaw and Jaypaw after they heroically saved Heatherpaw and Breezepaw, and she even displayed some motherly affection for Lionpaw after he and Breezepaw nearly died.
Other than how she supported Mudclaw in Starlight , I feel like her personality was somewhat retconned if only to make Crowfeather and Leafpool more sympathetic, which honestly wouldn't surprise me at all if that were the case. I really would've loved to see more of this side of Nightcloud rather than the irritable warrior we usually see. Granted, we don't see her all that much to begin with, but most of her portrayals after The Sight aren't really all that pleasant either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 20:35:33 GMT -5
She's almost always unhappy, jealous, bitter, or snappy o.o" and I just don't like those kinds of characters.
I get she's just generally a bad-tempered character... and that's not inherently bad... but she's just so hard to read about. She rarely makes anyone's day better except for Breezepelt. Even her clanmates avoid her because of her toxic personality, no wonder she hasn't gotten a mate until Crowfeather. It just drives me insane how she demands everyone else around her to change yet she won't change herself.
Plus the whole "I need to have a kit in order to have self-worth" rubbed me the wrong way at the start.
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Post by pastelpills on Oct 8, 2016 23:12:48 GMT -5
Yes, I agree. I don't think she acted like a psycho at all. Imagine if your mate had loved a medicine cat from different clan all along and even had three kits with her and now he lies into your own eyes that hebdoesn't live her. I would probably be just as dramatic. I also have this headcanon that the reason Night is so overprotective is that Criwfeather wasn't there to help her with difficult birth.
Trivia fact, in french, Nightcloud is called Beauty of the Night :3
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Post by pastelpills on Oct 8, 2016 23:13:40 GMT -5
People hate Nightcloud because of what the guides say about her. Not because of anything she actually does in the series. Series Nightcloud and guides Nightcloud are two different characters. However I also think nothing in pot is canon anymore. Literally nothing seems to be canon anymore imo
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 8, 2016 23:33:10 GMT -5
I personally loved Nightcloud. Imo she's not as bad as people make her out to be. She was a better parent than Crowfeather, and a faithful mate, it was Crow honestly that didn't seem like he was doing much. He barely involved himself with his own son, and when ever Nightcloud was trying to be "loving" toward him, he's always so cold. I don't blame her for becoming bitter, she did at one point try to make Crow love her, or at least pay more attention to their son. Also it's nothing new, women go out there and get married mostly because they want to have kids, like I see nothing wrong with that. I also take the guides with a grain of salt, there's wayyy too many inconsistancies in them, like what happened with Ashfur and how he died, or how Hollyleaf died, etc.
Also for people saying she's always bad tempered, that's not really true. Almost every time we see her it's because of drama involved things. Before the secret came out, and Breezepelt was still younger, she was most nice, calmer, also pretty valiant, she was an okay cat. But as things progress, I find her behavior, again, to be reasonable and understandable. Imagine staying in a relationship, that turned out to be loveless because the man you tried to make love you is in love with another woman, and he is cold toward you and your only son. Also you find out all this at a gathering, utterly being embarrassed, ashamed, angry, and confused at the revelation. Your family suddenly becomes talk of the town, and not in a good way, and your husband has been keeping this big secret from you for a long time, just using you and your son to seem loyal to his clan. Personally, I'd realistically feel the same way as Nightcloud. I'd be angry at Crowfeather for how he treated me and my son, and I'd be angry at the woman that he still loved. Personally I think Leafpool is just as much to blame, she was a medicine cat, and from a different clan, she knew what she was doing was wrong and still did it. This is why I have more sympathy for Nightcloud over Leafpool.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 8, 2016 23:37:54 GMT -5
She's almost always unhappy, jealous, bitter, or snappy o.o" and I just don't like those kinds of characters. I get she's just generally a bad-tempered character... and that's not inherently bad... but she's just so hard to read about. She rarely makes anyone's day better except for Breezepelt. Even her clanmates avoid her because of her toxic personality, no wonder she hasn't gotten a mate until Crowfeather. It just drives me insane how she demands everyone else around her to change yet she won't change herself. Plus the whole "I need to have a kit in order to have self-worth" rubbed me the wrong way at the start. When did she say that? A lot, not all, of woman when they get old fear of not being able to get a husband or have kids, heck even males have this same type of thinking at some point. Because they want to leave their "mark" on this world. Also Nightcloud did want to make Crowfeather love her, she tired, she put effort into the relationship, and Crowfeather just never returned that effort. He made it strictly business, he was just using her to make himself look good. Even if they did have an arrangement in the end, he didn't have to treat Breezepelt the same way. He knew nothing of the situation, why his father was so distant from him, and then when the truth came out he was furious. Personally, I would be too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 23:43:16 GMT -5
She just... gives Breezepelt bad parenting examples right in front of him. As a mother, you should give them good examples for behavior and raise them correctly. Like that one time when Leafpool was with Crowfeather, Nightcloud literally clawed Crowfeather away from her, screaming at him. And Breezepelt wailed when they were arguing. I actually felt sorry for him during this scene and I don't even like him.
I guess until after the truth came out, that's when Nightcloud changed. It makes sense because in OotS that's when we got to see more of her negative behavior. She was more hostile around Leafpool and Crowfeather's other kids. I do believe she truly loves Breezepelt, but she doesn't give him good examples about good behavior.
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Post by pastelpills on Oct 8, 2016 23:53:33 GMT -5
She just... gives Breezepelt bad parenting examples right in front of him. As a mother, you should give them good examples for behavior and raise them correctly. Like that one time when Leafpool was with Crowfeather, Nightcloud literally clawed Crowfeather away from her, screaming at him. And Breezepelt wailed when they were arguing. I actually felt sorry for him during this scene and I don't even like him. I guess until after the truth came out, that's when Nightcloud changed. It makes sense because in OotS that's when we got to see more of her negative behavior. She was more hostile around Leafpool and Crowfeather's other kids. I do believe she truly loves Breezepelt, but she doesn't give him good examples about good behavior. I read the first sentence and immedietely felt bad for Smokepaw and Brindlepaw
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 8, 2016 23:58:30 GMT -5
She just... gives Breezepelt bad parenting examples right in front of him. As a mother, you should give them good examples for behavior and raise them correctly. Like that one time when Leafpool was with Crowfeather, Nightcloud literally clawed Crowfeather away from her, screaming at him. And Breezepelt wailed when they were arguing. I actually felt sorry for him during this scene and I don't even like him. I guess until after the truth came out, that's when Nightcloud changed. It makes sense because in OotS that's when we got to see more of her negative behavior. She was more hostile around Leafpool and Crowfeather's other kids. I do believe she truly loves Breezepelt, but she doesn't give him good examples about good behavior. I think it's because of how Crowfeather treated Breezepelt, hence Nightcloud trying too hard in an attempt to make up for Crowfeather's side. Sure Crowfeather has been shown saving him before, but personally I think that kinda makes sense, it would make him look back if he didn't. But Crowfeather never gave his son any real acknowledgement and Breezepelt didn't understand why until the truth got out. Nightcloud was probably in the dark about this too, hence her shock at the gathering as well, she probably wondered why Crowfeather was so cold toward his family. Turns out he had another family in a different clan, lol. I personally think that Nightcloud did her best, considering the circumstances, it could have been worse. Like Breezepelt having neither parent to lean on at all.
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