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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 29, 2016 19:15:56 GMT -5
I can't remember her exact words, but she pretty much said that the "omen" that Goosefeather saw wasn't one of his visions at all, so it was just a coincidence that he said that WindClan would drive out ThunderClan, which nearly happened in Eclipse.
Thoughts on this? I personally find this to be a little odd, considering every vision Goosefeather had even long after that has come true. He even correctly predicted his own death! Senile as he was, it seems odd that he would get this one wrong when every other one has been right. I guess there really is a first time for everything...?
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Post by tiger beetle on Sept 29, 2016 19:24:13 GMT -5
would have made more sense if he'd gradually gotten more and more wrong visions and turned out he was just so freaked out from the constant visions that everything looked like an omen to him
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Post by Ligerfrost on Sept 29, 2016 20:43:32 GMT -5
This is why I think that he planned Moonflower's death and that it was done for the good of the Clan.
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 30, 2016 5:22:16 GMT -5
This is why I think that he planned Moonflower's death and that it was done for the good of the Clan. Do you mind elaborating more on why it would have been for the good of the clan and why he would want Moonflower dead? I haven't read Goosefeather's Curse if there's anything in there that would help me understand your opinion |
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Post by Ligerfrost on Sept 30, 2016 9:04:35 GMT -5
This is why I think that he planned Moonflower's death and that it was done for the good of the Clan. Do you mind elaborating more on why it would have been for the good of the clan and why he would want Moonflower dead? I haven't read Goosefeather's Curse if there's anything in there that would help me understand your opinion It has more to do with Bluestar's Prophecy then Goosefeather's Curse. Everything that happened to Bluestar in BP shaped her into the leader she became later on. The first major thing to happen to her was her mother's death. It was the first time Bluestar got a feel of what it meant to be a leader and how a leader's choice effects the Clan. I believe he knew his sister had to die and that it was needed for Bluestar's growth. Goosefeather was able to see into the future as well as the past and knew a kits destiny just by touching them. (That's revealed in GC) In GC Goosefeather tried to prevent bad things from happening and failed despite it all. This is why I think he made sure that Moonflower died when she did. I feel like he convinced Hawkheart to kill her to make sure Bluestar became the cat she needed to be. It would also account for why in every other book Hawkheart is a nicer decent cat except in BP. He was only ever shown being hostile to Bluestar. Which could have been bias (From Bluestar's POV) or him intentionally behaving in that manner to Bluestar because of Goosefeather. (It could also be lingering anger from the random attack on his CLan after having had two warriors killed in the last two random attacks WindClan had suffered.) |
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 30, 2016 17:04:11 GMT -5
That's a very good theory. I like it. However, it would place Goosefeather's into my dislike list. Why would he feel the need to destroy Bluestar's innocence on her first day of being an apprentice when she wasn't even 6 moons old? I'm sure life as a normal apprentice she would have been exposed to enough suffering for her to mature and realise the difficulties of being a leader. After all that's what Pinestar was there for there for wasn't he? He abandon him own clan and newborn kits because he hated the suffering clan life brought and his decision to attack WindClan would definitely have haunted him and helped in his decision to become a kitty pet. It just makes Goosefeather's out to be a cat that doesn't care for other cats individually, their feelings and mental health, only caring for the overall greater good.
What if Bluestar's hadn't eventually been able to deal with her grief and just turned into an unfriendly, lonely cat who would never be picked for clan deputy because she wouldn't come off as a cat that would fill the job? That could have easily happened and then Goosefeather's would have just ruined a cats life.
If your theory was proven correct I would feel Goosefeather's and Hawkheart both belong in the DF.
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Post by Ligerfrost on Sept 30, 2016 19:14:13 GMT -5
That's a very good theory. I like it. However, it would place Goosefeather's into my dislike list. Why would he feel the need to destroy Bluestar's innocence on her first day of being an apprentice when she wasn't even 6 moons old? I'm sure life as a normal apprentice she would have been exposed to enough suffering for her to mature and realise the difficulties of being a leader. After all that's what Pinestar was there for there for wasn't he? He abandon him own clan and newborn kits because he hated the suffering clan life brought and his decision to attack WindClan would definitely have haunted him and helped in his decision to become a kitty pet. It just makes Goosefeather's out to be a cat that doesn't care for other cats individually, their feelings and mental health, only caring for the overall greater good. What if Bluestar's hadn't eventually been able to deal with her grief and just turned into an unfriendly, lonely cat who would never be picked for clan deputy because she wouldn't come off as a cat that would fill the job? That could have easily happened and then Goosefeather's would have just ruined a cats life. If your theory was proven correct I would feel Goosefeather's and Hawkheart both belong in the DF. I wouldn't say they deserve the Dark Forest per say. The problem is Goosefeather was never able to prevent his visions from happening. If he did know his sister would die, he couldn't prevent her death no matter what he did, she still would have died.In GC Goosefeather tried to prevent a tragedy and he failed through no fault of his own. He did all he could and the result was the same. The same would be true for his sister's death. However there is a possibility that there was a way for Moonflower to have lived, but this could have led to a bad future to the Clan. As for Bluestar it shaped her to the leader she became. every death she suffered molded her into the cat she became. If Goosefeather wanted her to become the leader he saw in his vision than she needed to experience everything she experience in BP. |
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 30, 2016 22:01:00 GMT -5
That's a very good theory. I like it. However, it would place Goosefeather's into my dislike list. Why would he feel the need to destroy Bluestar's innocence on her first day of being an apprentice when she wasn't even 6 moons old? I'm sure life as a normal apprentice she would have been exposed to enough suffering for her to mature and realise the difficulties of being a leader. After all that's what Pinestar was there for there for wasn't he? He abandon him own clan and newborn kits because he hated the suffering clan life brought and his decision to attack WindClan would definitely have haunted him and helped in his decision to become a kitty pet. It just makes Goosefeather's out to be a cat that doesn't care for other cats individually, their feelings and mental health, only caring for the overall greater good. What if Bluestar's hadn't eventually been able to deal with her grief and just turned into an unfriendly, lonely cat who would never be picked for clan deputy because she wouldn't come off as a cat that would fill the job? That could have easily happened and then Goosefeather's would have just ruined a cats life. If your theory was proven correct I would feel Goosefeather's and Hawkheart both belong in the DF. I wouldn't say they deserve the Dark Forest per say. The problem is Goosefeather was never able to prevent his visions from happening. If he did know his sister would die, he couldn't prevent her death no matter what he did, she still would have died.In GC Goosefeather tried to prevent a tragedy and he failed through no fault of his own. He did all he could and the result was the same. The same would be true for his sister's death. However there is a possibility that there was a way for Moonflower to have lived, but this could have led to a bad future to the Clan. As for Bluestar it shaped her to the leader she became. every death she suffered molded her into the cat she became. If Goosefeather wanted her to become the leader he saw in his vision than she needed to experience everything she experience in BP. If Moonflower's destiny was to die anyway then Goosefeather didn't have to stick his nose into it. He would have saved himself any guilt and would have given Moonflower and Bluestar a bit more time before her death came. He would have killed his sister for no reason really, if it was to happen anyway. And it is true what Bluestar experienced shaped her into the cat she was but if Goosefeasther's visions always came true was there a need to meddle? She should have become the cat she needed to be if the consistency of the visions held true. I feel he should qualify for the DF in your theory because he technically committed treason. He planned and caused the death of a clan mate even though it was possibly for the greater good. It still breaks the warrior code. It's a tricky one to think about though thats for sure. |
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 3, 2016 13:50:24 GMT -5
This is why I think that he planned Moonflower's death and that it was done for the good of the Clan. According to Su, "No, Goosefeather didn't intend for Moonflower to die. The sign he saw that told him to attack WindClan was no real sign but he really just wanted to do the best for his Clan. He didn't mean to do any harm, he was just crazy." |
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