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Breezepelt
Sept 29, 2016 12:04:15 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 29, 2016 12:04:15 GMT -5
It's pretty much well-known that Kate likes Breezepelt and there's currently a debate going on on BlogClan regarding him and it's... interesting.
What do you guys think of Breezepelt? And if you were in his position, would you have done things differently from him? Do you think he's capable of change and do you think he'll be good to his family?
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Post by Lightflame on Sept 29, 2016 12:08:42 GMT -5
His defining character trait is his refusal to take responsibility for his actions, so it's hard to see how anyone could say that he is good at heart. I think most of his fans just really, really hate Crowfeather.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 29, 2016 12:09:58 GMT -5
His defining character trait is his refusal to take responsibility for his actions, so it's hard to see how anyone could say that he is good at heart. I think most of his fans just really, really hate Crowfeather. Yup, and Kate happens to be one of those haters.
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Breezepelt
Sept 29, 2016 13:37:02 GMT -5
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 29, 2016 13:37:02 GMT -5
A small part of me still feels sorry for him but I believe him to be irredeemable and he shouldn't suddenly become "good" just because he had a family. To be honest I don't know why he's still in the clans. He doesn't fit in in WindClan and his total agreement with the DF suggests he hates them and their way of life so why would he opt to stay surrounded by things he doesn't like?
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Post by tiger beetle on Sept 29, 2016 14:12:26 GMT -5
if he hadn't gone after Poppyfrost and Jayfeather at the Moonpool, I think he would be redeemable--still bad, but redeemable
I feel bad for what happened to him that led him to act that way, but he attempted inexcusable things
Crowfeather was awful and I can understand Breezepelt's anger and that it contributed to his…abrasive personality, but I don't pretend it justifies murder
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Breezepelt
Sept 29, 2016 14:55:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 14:55:22 GMT -5
Breezepelt is a bad-hearted cat, and his having a family shouldn't change that. He sided with the DF and attacked Jayfeather at the Moonpool, a place of StarClan. Even if he were to have a sudden change of heart, I still wouldn't think well of him.
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Post by Wicked Witch on Sept 29, 2016 15:07:22 GMT -5
"a debate going on on BlogClan regarding him and it's... interesting."
links links gimme gimme them links links
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Post by Wicked Witch on Sept 29, 2016 15:11:55 GMT -5
you can't do anything tight!!1!
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Post by Wicked Witch on Sept 29, 2016 16:32:44 GMT -5
thank you thank you but oh my before i read i thought it was going to be a heated discussion but it was something more because typically in breezepelt defense rants you always hear "his parents this and his parents that" but here its about comparing chemical reactions choosing to be triggered by the environment and a cat choosing to be immoral., and something about having control over you arm like wow
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 29, 2016 16:45:06 GMT -5
I hate him
Remind me again why he has kits. After trying to kill a queen
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 29, 2016 19:39:42 GMT -5
I actually like him, he's a complicating character, who might be redeemable. I mean if Clear Sky is redeemable, then Breezepelt might, and I mean might, have a chance too.
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Breezepelt
Sept 29, 2016 19:57:00 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 29, 2016 19:57:00 GMT -5
I actually like him, he's a complicating character, who might be redeemable. I mean if Clear Sky is redeemable, then Breezepelt might, and I mean might, have a chance too. Very true, but then again, whereas Skystar's actions were based on fear and thought he was doing the right thing only to eventually see the error of his ways, Breezepelt's were more based on resentment and jealousy and he seemed pretty smug about what he did in Dovewing's Silence. I do get what you're trying to say though. It's clear that Kate wants to redeem him and I am interested in seeing how Kate and Cherith handle his character. I just hope it won't be forced considering he's a background character now and has only appeared in one book in AVoS so far... saying that he hates murderers, which technically makes him a hypocrite, but again, here's hoping his character is written well for this arc because I actually like Breezepelt as a character.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 19:59:54 GMT -5
Kate's reasoning for Breezepelt does not make sense.
"You don’t like Breezepelt. But is he actually evil? And what is evil anyway? One person not obeying the rules another person made up?"
So I guess the Dark Forest cats are not evil. After all they just didn't want to follow rules another cat set up.
Also the fact she says Breezepelt's parents are "Crowfeather and Brightpelt"....
Also attempting to murder someone is not a mistake. Missing a catch is a mistake. Several Attempted murders is not.
Kate also says if it were up to her Tigerstar would be in StarClan because "no cat deserves the Dark Forest."
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 29, 2016 20:05:10 GMT -5
I actually like him, he's a complicating character, who might be redeemable. I mean if Clear Sky is redeemable, then Breezepelt might, and I mean might, have a chance too. Very true, but then again, whereas Skystar's actions were based on fear and thought he was doing the right thing only to eventually see the error of his ways, Breezepelt's were more based on resentment and jealousy and he seemed pretty smug about what he did in Dovewing's Silence. I do get what you're trying to say though. It's clear that Kate wants to redeem him and I am interested in seeing how Kate and Cherith handle his character. I just hope it won't be forced considering he's a background character now and has only appeared in one book in AVoS so far... saying that he hates murderers, which technically makes him a hypocrite, but again, here's hoping his character is written well for this arc. Even if Clear Sky's actions were based off a different reasoning, he still did some horrible things and even turned on his own kin at one point. Crowfeather is a cruddy father, who neglects him, Nightcloud, although she means well, smothers him and didn't let him grow as a character on his own. And then there was him finding out about the Three, Crowfeather's obvious bias for his other kits over him. And the Dark Forest's influence to deepen his rage. Personally I think Heathertail will definitely be one of the key factors of his redemption. And just so we're clear, Breezepelt never killed anyone, lol. He tried, but he didn't, so that technically doesn't make him a murderer, but it doesn't change the fact he attempted it. Then again, Breezepelt back then was so "unstable" imo.
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Breezepelt
Sept 29, 2016 20:10:35 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 29, 2016 20:10:35 GMT -5
Kate's reasoning for Breezepelt does not make sense. "You don’t like Breezepelt. But is he actually evil? And what is evil anyway? One person not obeying the rules another person made up?" So I guess the Dark Forest cats are not evil. After all they just didn't want to follow rules another cat set up. Also the fact she says Breezepelt's parents are "Crowfeather and Brightpelt".... Also attempting to murder someone is not a mistake. Missing a catch is a mistake. Several Attempted murders is not. Kate also says if it were up to her Tigerstar would be in StarClan because "no cat deserves the Dark Forest." Yeah, this is basically what I was thinking when I was reading through her posts. Like, seriously? It doesn't help that her bias is obvious, which seems odd that she's biased at all considering she helped write the series! It's also interesting that she thinks that no cat deserves the Dark Forest, but then what would be the point of it since it exists at all? Furthermore, the cats in the Dark Forest did evil acts and never did anything to redeem themselves like Hollyleaf, Skystar, and apparently Willow Tail did, so why should they deserve to be in the same place as, say, Stonefur or Firestar?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 29, 2016 20:25:30 GMT -5
Very true, but then again, whereas Skystar's actions were based on fear and thought he was doing the right thing only to eventually see the error of his ways, Breezepelt's were more based on resentment and jealousy and he seemed pretty smug about what he did in Dovewing's Silence. I do get what you're trying to say though. It's clear that Kate wants to redeem him and I am interested in seeing how Kate and Cherith handle his character. I just hope it won't be forced considering he's a background character now and has only appeared in one book in AVoS so far... saying that he hates murderers, which technically makes him a hypocrite, but again, here's hoping his character is written well for this arc. Even if Clear Sky's actions were based off a different reasoning, he still did some horrible things and even turned on his own kin at one point. Crowfeather is a cruddy father, who neglects him, Nightcloud, although she means well, smothers him and didn't let him grow as a character on his own. And then there was him finding out about the Three, Crowfeather's obvious bias for his other kits over him. And the Dark Forest's influence to deepen his rage. Personally I think Heathertail will definitely be one of the key factors of his redemption. And just so we're clear, Breezepelt never killed anyone, lol. He tried, but he didn't, so that technically doesn't make him a murderer, but it doesn't change the fact he attempted it. Then again, Breezepelt back then was so "unstable" imo. Yeah, I know, I'm just saying that the reasons were different, not necessarily the act itself. And this is true. Breezepelt had a terrible life and the Dark Forest clearly encouraged his negativity and Heathertail may very well help him be put back on a path a good, but again, that doesn't necessarily mean he'll be redeemed. What matters is the action, and that's what I'd like to see from him, even if he is going to be a background character now. And I don't just mean simply being a good mate and father either. And just because he never actually killed anyone doesn't really make it any better, honestly. He still tried to kill, and that's just as bad. He was even mentioned to be attacking his own Clanmates in TLH. Like you said, it doesn't change the fact that he attempted it. Hmm... I actually would be interested in seeing a novella on Breezepelt covering his redemption if we don't get to properly see it in AVoS. We'd also finally get a WindClan PoV in a novella in the process, as well as see his exact relationship with his parents and Heathertail in more depth.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 21:18:27 GMT -5
❈ -- well, he did decided to join the DF even though he knew that all the cats were evil there. Anyways, when he decided to join them, i'm pretty sure he knew he'd be fighting all four clans. honestly. what did they do? Well, besides ThunderClan. But, there's still a lot of happy cats out there besides Lionblaze, Jayfeather and Hollyleaf.
Well, to get to the bottom of this, he was a pretty angry cat from the start. and then no one wanted to be his friend (besides Heathertail)and then he just was left alone, and as the ultimate guide (or was it another book?) said, crowfeather also didn't appreciate him, meaning that he wanted some attention and encouragement, and as Jayfeather said, they were good at tricking cats.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 22:51:36 GMT -5
I actually like him, he's a complicating character, who might be redeemable. I mean if Clear Sky is redeemable, then Breezepelt might, and I mean might, have a chance too. It could be possible. I mean, wasn't there a scene in OotS when Jayfeather told him that they didn't know who their real parents were and Breezepelt calmed down for a moment? However, I do believe that it might be too late by now. Breezepelt had chances, and I think the affection he felt for anything is now gone. He sided with the Dark Forest and wanted his half siblings dead. Not to mention he also almost killed a pregnant queen. Breezepelt might have had a chance to side with the Clans, but he chose the DF. However, even though I dislike him, I do find him quite an interesting character.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 22:55:04 GMT -5
Kate's reasoning for Breezepelt does not make sense. "You don’t like Breezepelt. But is he actually evil? And what is evil anyway? One person not obeying the rules another person made up?" So I guess the Dark Forest cats are not evil. After all they just didn't want to follow rules another cat set up. Also the fact she says Breezepelt's parents are "Crowfeather and Brightpelt".... Also attempting to murder someone is not a mistake. Missing a catch is a mistake. Several Attempted murders is not. Kate also says if it were up to her Tigerstar would be in StarClan because "no cat deserves the Dark Forest." Um... Kate. Breezepelt threatened to kill a pregnant queen, wanted his half siblings dead and turned on the Clans. How is that not evil?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 22:58:14 GMT -5
I feel very sorry for Brightflower then. Kate would rather take out Tigerstar from the DF but not Brightflower, who's hatred for Yellowfang is completely understandable?
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Warrior Fanatic
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Breezepelt
Sept 29, 2016 23:13:09 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 29, 2016 23:13:09 GMT -5
I feel very sorry for Brightflower then. Kate would rather take out Tigerstar from the DF but not Brightflower, who's hatred for Yellowfang is completely understandable? Considering that Kate thinks that no cat deserves the Dark Forest except for maybe Ashfur (I think she said she would've placed him in the Dark Forest if it were up to her), I think Brightflower would've gone to StarClan as well. Besides, does Kate even know about this yet, or at least had any say in it at all? After all, she wasn't even the one who made these decisions, it was Vicky (and Su, I guess). And according to Su, she hinted that we may find out exactly what Brightflower and some of the others did time get into the Dark Forest.
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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Sept 30, 2016 0:24:43 GMT -5
I think he was a relatable character in PoT, but then they seemed to push him too far and make him a bit too psychotic/vengeful in OotS. He was always meant to be an antithesis to Lion, Jay, and Holly, or at the very least a foil, but even then, his actions seem a bit off the edge. I don't recall if he apologized for essentially joining the DF, but it seems like he's reconciled w/ everyone (to an extent). Unlike his father, though, I'm not sure if the Erins actually wanted us to like him as a character.
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Breezepelt
Sept 30, 2016 1:50:44 GMT -5
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 30, 2016 1:50:44 GMT -5
Honestly his fans say "oh he had bad kithood it isn't his fault he attacked jayfeather and poppyfrost" all the time. But in human world if your parents were fighting all the time and you have murdered a blind guy and a pregnant woman, would you still be innocent because your parents were fighting when you were young?
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 30, 2016 5:04:34 GMT -5
I actually like him, he's a complicating character, who might be redeemable. I mean if Clear Sky is redeemable, then Breezepelt might, and I mean might, have a chance too. I never forgave ClearSky, he wasn't redeemable in my eyes and the fact that they tried to play his actions off as him being fearful of seeing others suffer actually infuriated me like no book or movie ever has. I just found it to be a weak and like when Gray Wing had a realisation that Clear Sky's responsibilities were "too much for him" I feel like he was grasping at straws to try and make sense of his brothers behaviour in a way that didn't come to the obvious conclusion that his litter mate wasn't a nice cat. Off topic there so to bring it back to Bteezepelt- what do you guys think Breezepwlt would have been like had the DF not taken him in and encouraged his hate and vengefulness?
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Post by Holly Snow on Sept 30, 2016 8:35:19 GMT -5
His defining character trait is his refusal to take responsibility for his actions, so it's hard to see how anyone could say that he is good at heart. I think most of his fans just really, really hate Crowfeather. Yup, and Kate happens to be one of those haters. thats a good opinion to have.
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Post by Ligerfrost on Sept 30, 2016 9:53:53 GMT -5
I just find Breezepelt pathetic and overall weak willed. He was overly aggressive which every cat in his Clan kept trying to teach him or tell him to get control of and he refused to listen. He thought he was better than everyone else. He tried to kill innocent cats for something that wasn't their fault. And they were born first. It's not like he was the first born and they were born after him.
I don't find any appeal or even sympathy for his character. He was a flat out jerk for what was in my opinion a dumb reason. He had his CLan and his mother. (Even if his mother wasn't that good of a parent either) In my opinion that should have been enough. And that bad parenting doesn't justify attempted murder.
I likely would have done things differently. But it's unclear because while my father is pretty bad (worse than Crowfeather...) my mother made up for my and my sister's father's lack of parenting. In fact she never made us believe that are father was as bad as he was. I don't remember half the stuff that my mom told me happened when I turned 18 and asked what happened after they divorced. But my family and friends of my mother confirmed what my mother told me and my father always says ask your mother what happened and never says what happened. Or changes the subject. I also have two younger half-sisters who have spent more time with my father than I have. Who sees him more than I have. I have no animosity toward them. I wish we were closer but our father made sure we never got to see each other often.
And despite how bad my father was, my sisters and I still love the man. We don't expect anything from him, My biological sister and I have no plans to let our father do anything of real importance in our lives (not sure about my Half-sisters) but we still care about him and check in on him from time to time.
I believe in freedom of choice. I could choose to hate everything about my father and my half-sisters too. Why don't I? Because what good does that do me to feel bitter about something that I had no control over? How am I supposed to move on if I feel hatred for someone who did something in the past that hurt me? Forgiving was the first step to moving on of course but that doesn't mean I needed to forget anything. i haven't forgotten anything bad done to me by my father. I just pushed it behind me it wasn't worth being angry over or remaining bitter over it. I'm not going to let it effect any future relationships I may have.
This is why I don't like Breezepelt. My own personal experience with a similar situation is what shaped my opinion of him. It isn't an opinion that can be changed with facts. He was willing to kill innocent cats for something they had no control over. For something they were just as hurt about. I despise that about him, the fact he targeted his half-siblinings who were just as much victims as him. And for feeliing Smug about getting away with trying to kill them.
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